How sick can religions be?

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: raildogg
tell me of christians or hindus comitting acts of terror in significant numbers

No, they only slaughter and maim children and women in Africa and India, no biggie really.

Oh, IRA have done some stuff, how about ETA? Or the philipine phalangists?

Nah, doesn't matter as long as it is not attacks on the US or Israel, does it?

 

[Klixxer]

For those of you not familiar with nigeria and Sudan, i suggest you do a search and find out for yourselves.

If you want Hindu style, do a search for widow burnings (which includes wifes no longer wanted) honor killings and acid burns on wives to deform them enough to justify a divorce.

Google is your friend.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: athithi
This is frustrating to no extent:

1. Terrorists kill claiming they do it in the name of Islam
2. People claim Islam is a religion that encourages terror
3. Muslims jump to the defense of Islam.

Why the fvck don't you Muslims attack and kill the rabid swines that are performing acts of terror in the name of your religion instead of dancing around the issue and acting as if the greatest crime committed here is the slur on Islam. Your fellow Muslims are perpetuating these incredibly cruel murders. Why the fvck isn't the Muslim world sending in large numbers of forces to kill these "few" bad apples - I mean, come on, these guys are not just rabble-rousers - they are committing murders in a fashion that is comparable to Hitler's killing of Jews. And all you can come up with is, "Don't blame Islam for the acts of a few". Well, then get the fvck off your butts and do something about it :| Otherwise STFU, do your namaz 5 times a day and swallow it when the world calls these pigs ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.

Another lost soul. Isn't the U.S in Iraq fighting these terrorist with the help of the Iraqi people? What do you suggest they do? Come up with a magic spell to get rid of them all?

Some people are so clueless and you shouldn't be allowed to have children.

Keep off the personal attacks you motherfuckingsonofabitch and I will accord you the same consideration. Thanks.

All you are doing is arguing that there is no contractual evidence of Islam bound to commiting acts of violence. The evidence lies in these beheadings - not in some book. Seriously, you think the problem here is people hating Islam. No, the biggest problem is people killing in the name of Islam. Don't try to skirt the issue by talking about irrelevant things. I come from a country with the second largest population of Muslims in the world - India. I am not like most Westerners who only have a passing acquaintance with Muslims. In India, when Islamic terrorists commit terrorism, Muslims are the first to acknowledge and treat that at a social level. In the rest of the world, Muslims want to turn a blind eye and wring their hands and cry crocodile tears over the "unbearable and unfair criticism of Islam".

Umbrella39 - what a capital statement! I am speechless with your stunning repartee.... :roll:

Bottomline is this - if you are a Muslim and you hear someone suggesting that Islam is religion of terror, there are one of two things you can do about it:

1. Defend Islam and argue with the people criticizing Islam
2. Look at source of the problem and do something about it.

As long as you keep taking the easier option #1, you will continue to hear that Islam is a religion of vile terror.

hahahah. This coming from a Hindu... does Gujurat ring a bell?

KALI MATA KI JAY!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The people who did that are filled with hate and ignorance, righteous hate and ignorance for the other, the same hate we feel when we wish to pay them back, the same mindless ignorance by which we refer to them as Muslims so as to differentiate ourselves.

We don't wish to "pay them back". We wish to rid society of such scum. Yes I hate them. But I don't refer to them as Muslims. i'm sure there are plenty of Muslims that don't go around beheading Americans to terrorize us. i don't hate Muslims. I just hate terrorists. And yes I include most American criminals in that group.

And your hate is different how?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Klixxer, I don't think you'll find anyone here that's against a UN led intervention in Africa.

The US media hasn't been pimping the stories to us, & I make a special effort to put international news on my homepage so I'm not woefully ignorant of world events.

The US conservatives/hawks are so beat up now over the Middle East, they're scared to stick their necks out any further & we're already overextended.

The French have been over there for some time, I for one would like then to take an active role in getting the UN to jump right in there, I'd also like the Germans to pony up & do something...

The problems in Africa will require a decades long commitment & billions of dollars.

Where's the UN?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's like blaming all Christians for the actions and opinions of the KKK.

Bollocks. The KKK never prayed to Jesus before killing anyone. That tired anaology (blame Aaron Sorkin for it) has always been flawed. While there have been white supremacy groups who took The Bible out of context to justify their hate, Islam is and has always been the center of all that is wrong with radical insurgents.

Yes, they (the KKK) did. And no, Islam doesn't preach hate any more than Christianity does (which is to say that it does not). For your homework assignment tonight, read both the Bible and the Quran before again thinking you know anything about Islam or religion in general.

Originally posted by: Aimster
Islamic heaven? There is an Islamic heaven? Please share because this is news to me. You obviously are not education when it comes to other religions other than your own and should not post when it comes to them.

Surah 43. Ornaments Of Gold
70. Enter ye the Garden, ye and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing.
71. To them will be passed round, dishes and goblets of gold: there will be there all that the souls could desire, all that their ayes could delight in: and ye shall abide therein (for eye).
72. Such will be the Garden of which ye are made heirs for your (good) deeds (in life).
73. Ye shall have therein abundance of fruit, from which ye shall have satisfaction.
74. The sinners will be in the Punishment of Hell, to dwell therein (for aye):

Originally posted by: raildogg
tell me of christians or hindus comitting acts of terror in significant numbers

Hitler claimed to be a devout Christian, and believed he was carrying out God's will.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: raildogg
tell me of christians or hindus comitting acts of terror in significant numbers

Link 1
Christian terrorism? Hahahaha. 1. Bosnia 2. Ireland 3. Nazi 4. Iraq

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's like blaming all Christians for the actions and opinions of the KKK.

Bollocks. The KKK never prayed to Jesus before killing anyone. That tired anaology (blame Aaron Sorkin for it) has always been flawed. While there have been white supremacy groups who took The Bible out of context to justify their hate, Islam is and has always been the center of all that is wrong with radical insurgents.

Yes, they (the KKK) did. And no, Islam doesn't preach hate any more than Christianity does (which is to say that it does not). For your homework assignment tonight, read both the Bible and the Quran before again thinking you know anything about Islam or religion in general.

Originally posted by: Aimster
Islamic heaven? There is an Islamic heaven? Please share because this is news to me. You obviously are not education when it comes to other religions other than your own and should not post when it comes to them.

Surah 43. Ornaments Of Gold
70. Enter ye the Garden, ye and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing.
71. To them will be passed round, dishes and goblets of gold: there will be there all that the souls could desire, all that their ayes could delight in: and ye shall abide therein (for eye).
72. Such will be the Garden of which ye are made heirs for your (good) deeds (in life).
73. Ye shall have therein abundance of fruit, from which ye shall have satisfaction.
74. The sinners will be in the Punishment of Hell, to dwell therein (for aye):

Islamic heaven or heaven? I see no reference to it being a heaven for only Muslims.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: athithi
This is frustrating to no extent:

1. Terrorists kill claiming they do it in the name of Islam
2. People claim Islam is a religion that encourages terror
3. Muslims jump to the defense of Islam.

Why the fvck don't you Muslims attack and kill the rabid swines that are performing acts of terror in the name of your religion instead of dancing around the issue and acting as if the greatest crime committed here is the slur on Islam. Your fellow Muslims are perpetuating these incredibly cruel murders. Why the fvck isn't the Muslim world sending in large numbers of forces to kill these "few" bad apples - I mean, come on, these guys are not just rabble-rousers - they are committing murders in a fashion that is comparable to Hitler's killing of Jews. And all you can come up with is, "Don't blame Islam for the acts of a few". Well, then get the fvck off your butts and do something about it :| Otherwise STFU, do your namaz 5 times a day and swallow it when the world calls these pigs ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.

Another lost soul. Isn't the U.S in Iraq fighting these terrorist with the help of the Iraqi people? What do you suggest they do? Come up with a magic spell to get rid of them all?

Some people are so clueless and you shouldn't be allowed to have children.

Keep off the personal attacks you motherfuckingsonofabitch and I will accord you the same consideration. Thanks.

All you are doing is arguing that there is no contractual evidence of Islam bound to commiting acts of violence. The evidence lies in these beheadings - not in some book. Seriously, you think the problem here is people hating Islam. No, the biggest problem is people killing in the name of Islam. Don't try to skirt the issue by talking about irrelevant things. I come from a country with the second largest population of Muslims in the world - India. I am not like most Westerners who only have a passing acquaintance with Muslims. In India, when Islamic terrorists commit terrorism, Muslims are the first to acknowledge and treat that at a social level. In the rest of the world, Muslims want to turn a blind eye and wring their hands and cry crocodile tears over the "unbearable and unfair criticism of Islam".

Umbrella39 - what a capital statement! I am speechless with your stunning repartee.... :roll:

Bottomline is this - if you are a Muslim and you hear someone suggesting that Islam is religion of terror, there are one of two things you can do about it:

1. Defend Islam and argue with the people criticizing Islam
2. Look at source of the problem and do something about it.

As long as you keep taking the easier option #1, you will continue to hear that Islam is a religion of vile terror.

hahahah. This coming from a Hindu... does Gujurat ring a bell?

KALI MATA KI JAY!!!

I understand why he got offended by my attack, but you are being racist. He couldn't comment on my question as to what more they could do. Leave it at that. Racism is an illness and you need help for it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Islamic heaven or heaven? I see no reference to it being a heaven for only Muslims.

Ah I see, I thought you were saying Muslims don't believe in heaven. My confusion.
You are correct in this. Muslims do not believe that Heaven will be exclusive to them but that righteous Christians and Jews will be there as well although IIRC they enter by different gates.

btw, raildogg's page with quotes from the Quran erred by using partial quotes taken out of context. Not cool IMO.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Yes, just like Ann Coulter suggested that we go over there bomb the hell outta them and convert them to christian. Your taking away one religion that gives them an excuse to do evil and giving them another religion just as bad or possibly worse to do evil.

Islamic, or Christian both are evil religions imo.

I'm not a bible thumper, (actually don't like most preachers and never go near a church) but you are historically way off. Christianity went through the same phase a couple hundred years ago. Islam got stuck in it. Excluding the nuts in Ireland, Christianity has been pretty peaceful for some time.

Have you been to Africa, South America or the Balkans ??

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Klixxer, I don't think you'll find anyone here that's against a UN led intervention in Africa.

The US media hasn't been pimping the stories to us, & I make a special effort to put international news on my homepage so I'm not woefully ignorant of world events.

The US conservatives/hawks are so beat up now over the Middle East, they're scared to stick their necks out any further & we're already overextended.

The French have been over there for some time, I for one would like then to take an active role in getting the UN to jump right in there, I'd also like the Germans to pony up & do something...

The problems in Africa will require a decades long commitment & billions of dollars.

Where's the UN?

The UN is the collection of countries and it cannot do SH!T without anyone suggesting specific actions and passing a resolution, last i heard the US is working on a resoluting condemning the actions but i don't think it has been presented yet.

The problems in Iraq will take around 20 years to resolve if it isn't going to be a new Taliban regime, that makes the us less committed to other tasks, which is understandable, i still have friends in Kosovo so that makes the UN peacekeepers stretched thin too.

More people involved is needed, are you ready to sign up?

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The people who did that are filled with hate and ignorance, righteous hate and ignorance for the other, the same hate we feel when we wish to pay them back, the same mindless ignorance by which we refer to them as Muslims so as to differentiate ourselves.

We don't wish to "pay them back". We wish to rid society of such scum. Yes I hate them. But I don't refer to them as Muslims. i'm sure there are plenty of Muslims that don't go around beheading Americans to terrorize us. i don't hate Muslims. I just hate terrorists. And yes I include most American criminals in that group.

And your hate is different how?

it's different because I only hate the troublemakers, not innocent civilians.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
in a way of speaking i do think they are trying to get us to hate muslims everywhere, that helps their recruiting. we need to offer olive branches to even some of the more radical ones, as to show that we aren't the dicks we've been being.

Romans 12:
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer


The UN is the collection of countries and it cannot do SH!T without anyone suggesting specific actions and passing a resolution, last i heard the US is working on a resoluting condemning the actions but i don't think it has been presented yet.

The problems in Iraq will take around 20 years to resolve if it isn't going to be a new Taliban regime, that makes the us less committed to other tasks, which is understandable, i still have friends in Kosovo so that makes the UN peacekeepers stretched thin too.

More people involved is needed, are you ready to sign up?

I already support the efforts as much as I can.

Your answer still doesn't explain why the French or Germans haven't asked the UN Security Council to intervene.

Not only where is the UN, where are the Germans & the French?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: athithi
This is frustrating to no extent:

1. Terrorists kill claiming they do it in the name of Islam
2. People claim Islam is a religion that encourages terror
3. Muslims jump to the defense of Islam.

Why the fvck don't you Muslims attack and kill the rabid swines that are performing acts of terror in the name of your religion instead of dancing around the issue and acting as if the greatest crime committed here is the slur on Islam. Your fellow Muslims are perpetuating these incredibly cruel murders. Why the fvck isn't the Muslim world sending in large numbers of forces to kill these "few" bad apples - I mean, come on, these guys are not just rabble-rousers - they are committing murders in a fashion that is comparable to Hitler's killing of Jews. And all you can come up with is, "Don't blame Islam for the acts of a few". Well, then get the fvck off your butts and do something about it :| Otherwise STFU, do your namaz 5 times a day and swallow it when the world calls these pigs ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.

Another lost soul. Isn't the U.S in Iraq fighting these terrorist with the help of the Iraqi people? What do you suggest they do? Come up with a magic spell to get rid of them all?

Some people are so clueless and you shouldn't be allowed to have children.

Keep off the personal attacks you motherfuckingsonofabitch and I will accord you the same consideration. Thanks.

All you are doing is arguing that there is no contractual evidence of Islam bound to commiting acts of violence. The evidence lies in these beheadings - not in some book. Seriously, you think the problem here is people hating Islam. No, the biggest problem is people killing in the name of Islam. Don't try to skirt the issue by talking about irrelevant things. I come from a country with the second largest population of Muslims in the world - India. I am not like most Westerners who only have a passing acquaintance with Muslims. In India, when Islamic terrorists commit terrorism, Muslims are the first to acknowledge and treat that at a social level. In the rest of the world, Muslims want to turn a blind eye and wring their hands and cry crocodile tears over the "unbearable and unfair criticism of Islam".

Umbrella39 - what a capital statement! I am speechless with your stunning repartee.... :roll:

Bottomline is this - if you are a Muslim and you hear someone suggesting that Islam is religion of terror, there are one of two things you can do about it:

1. Defend Islam and argue with the people criticizing Islam
2. Look at source of the problem and do something about it.

As long as you keep taking the easier option #1, you will continue to hear that Islam is a religion of vile terror.

hahahah. This coming from a Hindu... does Gujurat ring a bell?

KALI MATA KI JAY!!!

I understand why he got offended by my attack, but you are being racist. He couldn't comment on my question as to what more they could do. Leave it at that. Racism is an illness and you need help for it.

hahahah. no, im just pointing out no race/religion/creed is free from their bad sort

 

[cwjerome]

Bosnia = ETHNIC battles

Ireland = fight for INDEPEDENCE

Nazi = RACIST

Iraq = WTF are you saying? That's just dumb.

I don't understand the evasion going on here. I don't see any other major group or religion that's carrying out a holy war, killing so many people in the name of their religion, because their religion compels them to murder. Why can't people be intellectually honest? We're never going to solve anything until people deal with reality. There is an extreme moral cowardness occuring among many people... where they cannot stand up for right (or wrong) and make any value-judgements. They abdicate their moral responsibility and essentially surrender themselves into the hands of savage ideas of people. In a sense, this is worse than the evil itself.

The problem is the culture in much of that part of the world is destructive. It's destructive because of ignorance and corruption going back hundreds of years. Ignorance and corruption can be defeated. It is in the interest of America and the civilized world to do just that. There are over one billion Muslims in the world, but the religion and the people are being hijacked by extreme elements that threaten EVERYBODY. Can we just stand by? Or should we impose western values that we know to be better? Are we to allow a culture that has not progressed adequately to fester and pose dangers just because we don't want to appear bossy? Don't those people also deserve the blessings of liberty, higher living standards, education, and human rights?

How can people sit around and make petty excuses while a culture self-destructs and threatens civilization in the process? Nobody is saying it will be easy or fast, but I do not think we have the luxury of just shrugging our shoulders, gripped in mental paralysis and inaction, just because some people cannot operate outside the politically correct box and deal with the facts.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer


The UN is the collection of countries and it cannot do SH!T without anyone suggesting specific actions and passing a resolution, last i heard the US is working on a resoluting condemning the actions but i don't think it has been presented yet.

The problems in Iraq will take around 20 years to resolve if it isn't going to be a new Taliban regime, that makes the us less committed to other tasks, which is understandable, i still have friends in Kosovo so that makes the UN peacekeepers stretched thin too.

More people involved is needed, are you ready to sign up?

I already support the efforts as much as I can.

Your answer still doesn't explain why the French or Germans haven't asked the UN Security Council to intervene.

Not only where is the UN, where are the Germans & the French?

And where is the US? My point is that no one is doing anything, not the French, not us, not the US, ot anybody. AND THE UN ISN'T CAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING UNTIL SOMEONE SUGGESTS ACTION.

It is a damn shame all around, but since the individual efforts of both France and the US in africa have failed big time i have some understanding for it.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: athithi
This is frustrating to no extent:

1. Terrorists kill claiming they do it in the name of Islam
2. People claim Islam is a religion that encourages terror
3. Muslims jump to the defense of Islam.

Why the fvck don't you Muslims attack and kill the rabid swines that are performing acts of terror in the name of your religion instead of dancing around the issue and acting as if the greatest crime committed here is the slur on Islam. Your fellow Muslims are perpetuating these incredibly cruel murders. Why the fvck isn't the Muslim world sending in large numbers of forces to kill these "few" bad apples - I mean, come on, these guys are not just rabble-rousers - they are committing murders in a fashion that is comparable to Hitler's killing of Jews. And all you can come up with is, "Don't blame Islam for the acts of a few". Well, then get the fvck off your butts and do something about it :| Otherwise STFU, do your namaz 5 times a day and swallow it when the world calls these pigs ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.

Another lost soul. Isn't the U.S in Iraq fighting these terrorist with the help of the Iraqi people? What do you suggest they do? Come up with a magic spell to get rid of them all?

Some people are so clueless and you shouldn't be allowed to have children.

Keep off the personal attacks you motherfuckingsonofabitch and I will accord you the same consideration. Thanks.

All you are doing is arguing that there is no contractual evidence of Islam bound to commiting acts of violence. The evidence lies in these beheadings - not in some book. Seriously, you think the problem here is people hating Islam. No, the biggest problem is people killing in the name of Islam. Don't try to skirt the issue by talking about irrelevant things. I come from a country with the second largest population of Muslims in the world - India. I am not like most Westerners who only have a passing acquaintance with Muslims. In India, when Islamic terrorists commit terrorism, Muslims are the first to acknowledge and treat that at a social level. In the rest of the world, Muslims want to turn a blind eye and wring their hands and cry crocodile tears over the "unbearable and unfair criticism of Islam".

Umbrella39 - what a capital statement! I am speechless with your stunning repartee.... :roll:

Bottomline is this - if you are a Muslim and you hear someone suggesting that Islam is religion of terror, there are one of two things you can do about it:

1. Defend Islam and argue with the people criticizing Islam
2. Look at source of the problem and do something about it.

As long as you keep taking the easier option #1, you will continue to hear that Islam is a religion of vile terror.

hahahah. This coming from a Hindu... does Gujurat ring a bell?

KALI MATA KI JAY!!!

I understand why he got offended by my attack, but you are being racist. He couldn't comment on my question as to what more they could do. Leave it at that. Racism is an illness and you need help for it.

hahahah. no, im just pointing out no race/religion/creed is free from their bad sort

For once we agree, no race/religion/creed is free from the likes of you.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Bosnia = ETHNIC battles

Ireland = fight for INDEPEDENCE

Nazi = RACIST

Iraq = WTF are you saying? That's just dumb.

I don't understand the evasion going on here. I don't see any other major group or religion that's carrying out a holy war, killing so many people in the name of their religion, because their religion compels them to murder. Why can't people be intellectually honest? We're never going to solve anything until people deal with reality. There is an extreme moral cowardness occuring among many people... where they cannot stand up for right (or wrong) and make any value-judgements. They abdicate their moral responsibility and essentially surrender themselves into the hands of savage ideas of people. In a sense, this is worse than the evil itself.

The problem is the culture in much of that part of the world is destructive. It's destructive because of ignorance and corruption going back hundreds of years. Ignorance and corruption can be defeated. It is in the interest of America and the civilized world to do just that. There are over one billion Muslims in the world, but the religion and the people are being hijacked by extreme elements that threaten EVERYBODY. Can we just stand by? Or should we impose western values that we know to be better? Are we to allow a culture that has not progressed adequately to fester and pose dangers just because we don't want to appear bossy? Don't those people also deserve the blessings of liberty, higher living standards, education, and human rights?

How can people sit around and make petty excuses while a culture self-destructs and threatens civilization in the process? Nobody is saying it will be easy or fast, but I do not think we have the luxury of just shrugging our shoulders, gripped in mental paralysis and inaction, just because some people cannot operate outside the politically correct box and deal with the facts.

Bosnia = Christian Serbs kill Bosnian Muslims
Ireland = Protestant Christian battle it out against Catholic Christians
Nazi = Christians kill Jews

Please note that Christianity, Jewism and Islam are not RACES. They're RELIGIONS

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's like blaming all Christians for the actions and opinions of the KKK.

Well, christians don't condone the kkk. They speak out against it and go after them whenever they break the law. christians have made an effort not to be associated with the kkk. So far it's pretty much just the western countries going after these people with any real effort. Pakistan doesn't exactly have a full mobile division up near tora bora do they?

I try not to be guilty of it, but it certainly is a natural feeling to blame the muslim majority as a whole when they aren't visibly fighting the behavior of a minority speaking on their behalf.


thomash has pretty clearly made an emotional connection to muslims as a whole with this incident although I'm sure he logically doesn't blame them. Eventually hate will take root if this behavior is left unchecked and then reason won't matter much.

 

[cwjerome]

Sultan, you just don't get it do you. The Balkans have been divided heavily because ethnic clashes. If you think Bosnia was a religious war you need to study. They were not quoting the Bible, constantly praying, and saying God wants them to do it. Remember, it's been referred to as "ethnic cleansing", not "religious cleansing".

Ireland. Why were they battling? Once again you evade the truth and display your historical ignorance.

Oh yes, everyone knows German aggression was a religious war. Not. Once again...

Get off WHO is killing who. Think about WHY they are killing. By your logic if I murder my friend, it's a religious hate crime because I'm Christian and he's Jewish. I don't even know what your last sentence is talking about. Please start making sense (and re-read the main part of my previous post).

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's like blaming all Christians for the actions and opinions of the KKK.

Well, christians don't condone the kkk. They speak out against it and go after them whenever they break the law. christians have made an effort not to be associated with the kkk. So far it's pretty much just the western countries going after these people with any real effort. Pakistan doesn't exactly have a full mobile division up near tora bora do they?

I try not to be guilty of it, but it certainly is a natural feeling to blame the muslim majority as a whole when they aren't visibly fighting the behavior of a minority speaking on their behalf.


thomash has pretty clearly made an emotional connection to muslims as a whole with this incident although I'm sure he logically doesn't blame them. Eventually hate will take root if this behavior is left unchecked and then reason won't matter much.

Idiot. Tora Bora is in Afghanistan, not Pakistan. Pakistan is acting out in Waziristan, which is in Pakistan. Which Muslim on Anandtech or a Muslim you've met has associated himself/herself with OBL or Zarqawi?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Sultan, you just don't get it do you. The Balkans have been divided heavily because ethnic clashes. If you think Bosnia was a religious war you need to study. They were not quoting the Bible, constantly praying, and saying God wants them to do it. Remember, it's been referred to as "ethnic cleansing", not "religious cleansing".

Ireland. Why were they battling? Once again you evade the truth and display your historical ignorance.

Oh yes, everyone knows German aggression was a religious war. Not. Once again...

Get off WHO is killing who. Think about WHY they are killing. By your logic if I murder my friend, it's a religious hate crime because I'm Christian and he's Jewish. I don't even know what your last sentence is talking about. Please start making sense (and re-read the main part of my previous post).

You can call it whatever you want. It was the Muslims being killed in Bosnia. I never heard of an ethnicity called Bosnians. Jews were being killed by the Nazis. I have not heard of an ethnicity called Jews. Protestants and Catholics are fighting in Ireland. If you dont know that, then you need to look up some history text books. Last time I opened the television, the Muslims were waging Islamic Jihad in Sudan killing Christians there. There was no ethnicity involved

Btw, to answer your questions, the US forces are bombing Iraq, Iraqis did not bomb America, so who is killing who is basically each is killing the other. They are kidnapping or killing because they either want money, they either want their political objective, or they want the US forces to leave Iraq. I am confused how you see RELIGION in either of the aforementioned objectives.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's like blaming all Christians for the actions and opinions of the KKK.

Well, christians don't condone the kkk. They speak out against it and go after them whenever they break the law. christians have made an effort not to be associated with the kkk. So far it's pretty much just the western countries going after these people with any real effort. Pakistan doesn't exactly have a full mobile division up near tora bora do they?

I try not to be guilty of it, but it certainly is a natural feeling to blame the muslim majority as a whole when they aren't visibly fighting the behavior of a minority speaking on their behalf.


thomash has pretty clearly made an emotional connection to muslims as a whole with this incident although I'm sure he logically doesn't blame them. Eventually hate will take root if this behavior is left unchecked and then reason won't matter much.

Idiot. Tora Bora is in Afghanistan, not Pakistan. Pakistan is acting out in Waziristan, which is in Pakistan. Which Muslim on Anandtech or a Muslim you've met has associated himself/herself with OBL or Zarqawi?

That would be you, supporter of the Taliban regime.