How Scared is the GOP of an Obama win?

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: ayabe
Man I can't wait until the D's outlaw Christmas and Christianity, start busing in illegals, make Spanish the official language, formally surrender to Al Qaeda, give Iran half of our nukes, invade Israel, institute 95% tax rates on anyone with a job, fund abortion vans which go door to door, outlaw all marriage except gay marriage, teach kindergartners how to have sex.

Man it's going to be an awesome next 4 years.

You forgot a few things.

1) Legalization of marijuana and recreational drugs.

2) Give those already leeching off the Government via public assistance more Demfare.

3) Regulating the rules on Wall Street to the point that Ex-Lax won't get the system un-clogged.

Why would legalization of MJ be bad? Tax the hell out of it, new revenue source for gov't.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

In today's current economic environment, it's a big issue for a majority of the country.

If Obama spent more time talking about the Economy, developing a detailed plan on how he's going to fix it then add that all of his new policies/plans are contingent that his economy policy was working then I might be less scared of him.

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is the main driver for your decision the fear of having your money taken away by Uncle Sam?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: ayabe
Man I can't wait until the D's outlaw Christmas and Christianity, start busing in illegals, make Spanish the official language, formally surrender to Al Qaeda, give Iran half of our nukes, invade Israel, institute 95% tax rates on anyone with a job, fund abortion vans which go door to door, outlaw all marriage except gay marriage, teach kindergartners how to have sex.

Man it's going to be an awesome next 4 years.

You forgot a few things.

1) Legalization of marijuana and recreational drugs.

2) Give those already leeching off the Government via public assistance more Demfare.

3) Regulating the rules on Wall Street to the point that Ex-Lax won't get the system un-clogged.

Why would legalization of MJ be bad? Tax the hell out of it, new revenue source for gov't.

Because this would be another beloved patriot removed from the oppressive, authoritarian repug armor.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

It's the most important thing to a lot of people.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

In today's current economic environment, it's a big issue for a majority of the country.

If Obama spent more time talking about the Economy, developing a detailed plan on how he's going to fix it then add that all of his new policies/plans are contingent that his economy policy was working then I might be less scared of him.

Versus a continuation and in fact a doubling down of the policies that got us here in the first place?

Right, brilliant choice.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

It's the most important thing to a lot of people.

And there's nothing wrong with that. I consider economic liberty (the ability to keep most of the fruits of my own labor) about as important as civil liverty. A gov't which suppresses the first but grants much of the second is still a bad gov't, IMHO. If a gov't took the majority of your material goods but allowed you to complain about it, are you any better off?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Oh, I forgot - you're the guy with all of the knowledge. One that can fix all the ills of the World, cure cancer as well as many other miracles. :frown:

I forgot. You're the guy who was claiming to be a moderate, but in this thread is talking about 'demfare' (!?) and how Obama is going to suppress freedom of speech after being elected. You realize that's straight from crazy right wing conspiracy land, right?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

In today's current economic environment, it's a big issue for a majority of the country.

If Obama spent more time talking about the Economy, developing a detailed plan on how he's going to fix it then add that all of his new policies/plans are contingent that his economy policy was working then I might be less scared of him.

But then you need to ask why our tax dollars and econ are so important to us? It is all worthless unless the money is used in ways which lead towards the greatest progression which goes beyond class separated or individual progression since we are by no means a country of isolation at any level and we never will be.

In other words, we gotta concentrate far less on square one which deals with nothing but the raw tax dollar numbers.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

No, I'm worried that the Democrats might require me to pay for somebody else's crap. They're already doing it at the state and local levels.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

No, I'm worried that the Democrats might require me to pay for somebody else's crap. They're already doing it at the state and local levels.

The Repubs are going to do that too...just in different ways. Face it. That part of America is never going to change. What you want is a pipe dream. A selfish pipe dream that will do nothing but make you angry the rest of your life if you hold on to it.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

It's the most important thing to a lot of people.

A lot of gruesome acts have been committed throughout history in its name. Nothing has changed nor will it ever change.

I'm sure the phrase "follow the money" is familiar. It can never be overused or overemphasized.

The redistribution statement by obama is the only avoidable mistake I've noticed in his entire campaign.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

The Dems aren't going to require squat. When was the last time a Democratic Congress passed a balanced budget? Go look that up and get back to us. People need to stop pretending the Dems oppose deficit spending - they merely object to how the money is spent. Obama and the Democratically-controlled Congress aren't going to do anything about the deficit, any more than the GOP did or would've done. Power is maintained by either party through passing out political favors, and that mostly means monetary benefits. The Dems are no different.

 

[Puffnstuff]

If Obama is such an upstanding guy why won't he reveal who's funding his campaign? I don't fear him as a person however I do look to the past for guidance at a time like this. If you will recall this nation was in a recession when the dems took over and enacted their policies which pushed it into the great depression. Pelosi has stated numerous time that they will conduct new spending right away further worsening the national debt at a time of declining tax revenues. Yessir hold onto your hats because once the rollercoaster starts this ride will be fast and furious. If you forget history then you're bound to repeat it.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

The Dems aren't going to require squat. When was the last time a Democratic Congress passed a balanced budget? Go look that up and get back to us. People need to stop pretending the Dems oppose deficit spending - they merely object to how the money is spent. Obama and the Democratically-controlled Congress aren't going to do anything about the deficit, any more than the GOP did or would've done. Power is maintained by either party through passing out political favors, and that mostly means monetary benefits. The Dems are no different.

People oppose that? I thought that all they opposed was the idea that Repubs currently spend less. Repubs are spending more and that is being proven as time passes.

If you want to truly do something about the deficit then stop attacking Obama and the Dems and start encouraging the reform of the Republican party to become more fiscally conservative and less socially conservative. Only then will you truly get what you want and I for one will thank you for doing so.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I frankly have zero sympathy for the GOP in their supposed "scared"ness. They brought this on themselves due to their wandering away from Conservative principles.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

It's the most important thing to a lot of people.

And there's nothing wrong with that. I consider economic liberty (the ability to keep most of the fruits of my own labor) about as important as civil liverty. A gov't which suppresses the first but grants much of the second is still a bad gov't, IMHO. If a gov't took the majority of your material goods but allowed you to complain about it, are you any better off?

Of course, you're going to say this. Anything else would create cognitive dissonance.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

The Dems aren't going to require squat. When was the last time a Democratic Congress passed a balanced budget? Go look that up and get back to us. People need to stop pretending the Dems oppose deficit spending - they merely object to how the money is spent. Obama and the Democratically-controlled Congress aren't going to do anything about the deficit, any more than the GOP did or would've done. Power is maintained by either party through passing out political favors, and that mostly means monetary benefits. The Dems are no different.

The 5 trillion added to the debt under the Bush/Republican regime suggests there is a qualitative difference in quantity. The Democrats are fiscally irresponsible to an extent. Republicans are fiscally irresponsible beyond all imagination, that is a significant difference. "Deficits don't matter".

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

No, I'm worried that the Democrats might require me to pay for somebody else's crap. They're already doing it at the state and local levels.

The Repubs are going to do that too...just in different ways. Face it. That part of America is never going to change. What you want is a pipe dream. A selfish pipe dream that will do nothing but make you angry the rest of your life if you hold on to it.

Really? I moved to NJ when Christie Whitman was governor back in 1997, and the state budget was about $16 billion. Today after a string of Democratic governors, its about $33 billion, and they're whining about a 'shortfall'.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

The Dems aren't going to require squat. When was the last time a Democratic Congress passed a balanced budget? Go look that up and get back to us. People need to stop pretending the Dems oppose deficit spending - they merely object to how the money is spent. Obama and the Democratically-controlled Congress aren't going to do anything about the deficit, any more than the GOP did or would've done. Power is maintained by either party through passing out political favors, and that mostly means monetary benefits. The Dems are no different.

The 5 trillion added to the debt under the Bush/Republican regime suggests there is a qualitative difference in quantity. The Democrats are fiscally irresponsible to an extent. Republicans are fiscally irresponsible beyond all imagination, that is a significant difference. "Deficits don't matter".

A solid chunk of that is Medicare and other mandatory spending which has grown at ~12% per year since 2000.

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: T2T III
Scared? Hell yeah, I'm scared. :frown:

What exactly are you scared of? Just trying to gain some insight.

Several reasons:

1) More smaller business will either fail due to tax increases, or they'll have to curb the hiring of employees - and may even lay more of them off.

2) People who are not currently paying taxes, but will receive "Demfare" checks which will be disguised as tax credits. This will weaken the ability and desire for one to further advance themself.

3) The "real" Obama will appear. He's done a great job of keep calm, cool and collected; people love the view of him now, but what will the future bear?

4) Suppression of freedom of speech for networks who question any of his decisions or practices (as already witnessed via Joe Biden's) responses to date.

5) Joe Biden's "firecracker" temper.

Do you have ANY evidence of the "real" Obama? Where have you seen him NOT be calm, cool and collected?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Why? Are you afraid that the Democrats might require you to pay for all the crap your party's been buying over the last eight years? Responsibility: try it some time.

The Dems aren't going to require squat. When was the last time a Democratic Congress passed a balanced budget? Go look that up and get back to us. People need to stop pretending the Dems oppose deficit spending - they merely object to how the money is spent. Obama and the Democratically-controlled Congress aren't going to do anything about the deficit, any more than the GOP did or would've done. Power is maintained by either party through passing out political favors, and that mostly means monetary benefits. The Dems are no different.

Why not? Maybe voters should demand responsibility from them and republicans - all legislating politicians. I imagine that there are few who would not agree with this. So, instead of trashing democrits, "hold their feet to the fire". And, do the same for repugs.

There is more at stake than "your team".

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: winnar111
My tax dollars are scared.

Is that the most important thing to you?

It's the most important thing to a lot of people.

And there's nothing wrong with that. I consider economic liberty (the ability to keep most of the fruits of my own labor) about as important as civil liverty. A gov't which suppresses the first but grants much of the second is still a bad gov't, IMHO. If a gov't took the majority of your material goods but allowed you to complain about it, are you any better off?

Of course, you're going to say this. Anything else would create cognitive dissonance.

:roll: You know, it's perfectly legal to pay more in taxes than you actually owe. How many times have you done that? About as many times as I have (0), I'll bet. We're not much different.