Find me in his past where he has stood up to his party. Obama goes with his party every single time or votes present. Now if Obama had a history of standing up to his party I would feel differently. There is nothing in his resume that shows he would be a strong leader and force congress to pass his agenda by use of the veto. If you go by his resume he will be nothing but a rubber stamp who will sign any bill congress sends his way. I am not going to put my hopes on Obama suddenly getting a set of balls.
Does england have 10s of millions of illegals? The cost of illegals alone would cost as much as the english pay. At a minumum triple what the english pay and I am sorry a 18% tax hike is something we can't afford for second rate UHC coverage.
You are attempting to use the actions of a junior senator seeking the support of his party in running for higher office to someone occupying an adversarial branch of government with no further need of that support. It's foolish.
Tired of repeating this
If you have insurance through your employer, nothing will change other than trying to squash unnecessary cost drivers thus making it cheaper, nothing else will change.
Vs. McCain's plan which will DESTROY the employer based healthcare system altogether.
The rest is pure FUD.
If you have insurance through your employer, nothing will change other than trying to squash unnecessary cost drivers thus making it cheaper, nothing else will change.
Vs. McCain's plan which will DESTROY the employer based healthcare system altogether.
The rest is pure FUD.
His party has been opposing Bush.. would you have him do the opposite and vote with Bush?
Come on, let's not be willfully ignorant here.
You are again making the numbers support what you've already made up your mind to entail.
Illegals obviously wouldn't be covered, period. If they can do it for 6%, so can we.
He could of stood up to frank and dodd over freddie and fannie. Instead he took money to help dodd and frank kill regulations of fannie and freddie. Obama should of stood up to his party over that issue but sided with the crooks.
There is no such thing as modern low cost healthcare. If you want low cost stuff, exclude everything invented in the past 15 years.
You know Alan Greenspan supported the Bush tax cuts and recently admitted fault for causing the current recession, right?
Originally posted by: chess9
Yes, but their iPhones are less than 1% of their GDP, so it's not real money.
-Robert
Really; An Iphone is $300, not to mention another $300-600 in monthly fees.
If you're in your 20s and make 60k, you don't have a healthcare problem.
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I am here in Arizona and we have Janet N as our governor she is a Barak Supporter and we have the Largest budget deficit ever here in the State of Arizona, there is no control of spending here..............same as the problem in Wasington.............we need to control spending.................we are gonna give everyone health care a chicken in every pot ect ect ect.....................and not do a damn thing about spending..........
Since we are talking about wasteful spending etc. let me give you an example of what your tax dollars and my tax dollars are subsidizing....
I have a friend who is a nurse at Grady hospital in Atlanta. Recently there was a woman who was flown in from Africa on a major airline (essentially given a 1 way ticket by her family) to be sent to America. This woman had advanced AIDS and could barely walk. Guess what? After the plane landed in Atlanta, an ambulance was called and she landed at Grady. She got 6 months of treatment before she died. The cost was astronomical. And the bottom line is, she didn't have insurance, nor did she even need it. Your tax dollars at work.
Right because if you have a genetic disorder you should just fucking die.
please keep posting and show us your Culture of Life.
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: chess9
Yes, but their iPhones are less than 1% of their GDP, so it's not real money.
-Robert
Really; An Iphone is $300, not to mention another $300-600 in monthly fees.
If you're in your 20s and make 60k, you don't have a healthcare problem.
I missed your logic here.
I've been a card-carrying Democrat all of my life.
That said, if the Republicans ever return to being fiscally conservative (which they haven't been since Goldwater lost power in the 60s) then I'll be pleasantly delighted.
That said, if the Republicans ever return to being fiscally conservative (which they haven't been since Goldwater lost power in the 60s) then I'll be pleasantly delighted.
That is another separate problem in itself, but I agree that it is a problem and it does raise the prices.
Then I take it that you voted for Kerry in 2004, right? After all, you wouldn't want a super majority.
I remember a lot of people being outraged when a few of those hospitals shut down because of uninsured people using the emergency facilities. It's a consequence of how our healthcare system is currently set up, and clearly that needs to change.
However, this is not just the fault of the illegals; it is a result of ALL people without health insurance. The doctors are required to treat people who come into the emergency room, and since they lack insurance the hospital ends up picking up the bill. It doesn't matter if you're illegal or not; if you don't have health insurance and go to the emergency room for any reason, everyone else is picking up your tab.
Providing free preventative healthcare (not expensive procedures, basic stuff like checkups that don't cost anything) would go a long way toward ending the types of problems that have cropped up in AZ. If you invest minimally on preventative healthcare, then you won't have to pay out the ass for expensive surgeries and treatments later for all of those people who aren't paying into the system in the first place.
Either give everyone affordable health insurance or make the cheapest procedures free. These are the only two solutions to the problem of having uninsured people use the emergency facilities, since the time used verifying insurance information before treatment in an emergency situation may cost someone their life.
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