How Scared is the GOP of an Obama win?

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
That is exactly Obama's plan, if you watched the debates. Give an option for affordable healthcare THAT DOES NOT EXCLUDE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. Everyone else can keep their insurance and he will give incentives for small business to insure people.

There you go.

Except pre-existing conditions only drive the price on insurance up.....grats!

You mean....treat conditions before they get even worse and require emergency medical care that costs ridiculous amounts of money compared to what it would have cost if it were treated earlier? NO WAY!



Again, even if you refuse to provide regulated UHC to these people, it is not like they won't get it and you won't be paying for it.

Little Joey has a fever of 103?

OH SHIT! Get him to the emergency room because we don't have the money to take him to a regular doctor. It normally costs over $1000 more if we take him to the emergency room? Doesn't matter. Little Joey is my son and there is nothing I will never risk his health because of money. We don't have to pay for that anyways.

or...

Little Joey has a fever of 103?

Ok, let's rush him to his doctor so that he can give him some medicine and a prescription which is being paid for by Obama's UHC that I signed up with. The doctor's bill with the medicine costs $125. Looks like I only have to pay $14 out of my pocket. I can do that.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
That is exactly Obama's plan, if you watched the debates. Give an option for affordable healthcare THAT DOES NOT EXCLUDE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. Everyone else can keep their insurance and he will give incentives for small business to insure people.

There you go.

Except pre-existing conditions only drive the price on insurance up.....grats!

Right because if you have a genetic disorder you should just fucking die.

please keep posting and show us your Culture of Life.

And including pre-existing conditions will actually help to drive costs down some, since insurance companies can then fire all of the guys whose job it is to exclude people from insurance based on a loose definition of 'preexisting'

It's so loose that insurance companies have successfully included various cancers as being preexisting conditions. "Hey, that cancer probably started growing 15 years ago, right before you got this insurance! We're not paying for treatment"

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Rustler
I am here in Arizona and we have Janet N as our governor she is a Barak Supporter and we have the Largest budget deficit ever here in the State of Arizona, there is no control of spending here..............same as the problem in Wasington.............we need to control spending.................we are gonna give everyone health care a chicken in every pot ect ect ect.....................and not do a damn thing about spending..........

Yes, well I used to live in Arizona and now live in California. GUESS WHAT? With our Republican governor (Arnold), our budget crisis is even worse than Arizona's. Also, he supports McCain. Clearly this means that the Republicans care much less about controlled spending than the Democrats, RIGHT???

Or you're just a moron.

Neither party represents controlled spending, but McCain represents controlled spending less than Obama does. That's what matters here.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
That is exactly Obama's plan, if you watched the debates. Give an option for affordable healthcare THAT DOES NOT EXCLUDE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. Everyone else can keep their insurance and he will give incentives for small business to insure people.

There you go.

Except pre-existing conditions only drive the price on insurance up.....grats!

Right because if you have a genetic disorder you should just fucking die.

please keep posting and show us your Culture of Life.

And including pre-existing conditions will actually help to drive costs down some, since insurance companies can then fire all of the guys whose job it is to exclude people from insurance based on a loose definition of 'preexisting'

It's so loose that insurance companies have successfully included various cancers as being preexisting conditions. "Hey, that cancer probably started growing 15 years ago, right before you got this insurance! We're not paying for treatment"

That's why health insurance is much more expensive in Massachusetts than it is elsewhere, right? The pre-existing conditions laws?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
That is exactly Obama's plan, if you watched the debates. Give an option for affordable healthcare THAT DOES NOT EXCLUDE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. Everyone else can keep their insurance and he will give incentives for small business to insure people.

There you go.

Except pre-existing conditions only drive the price on insurance up.....grats!

Right because if you have a genetic disorder you should just fucking die.

please keep posting and show us your Culture of Life.

And including pre-existing conditions will actually help to drive costs down some, since insurance companies can then fire all of the guys whose job it is to exclude people from insurance based on a loose definition of 'preexisting'

It's so loose that insurance companies have successfully included various cancers as being preexisting conditions. "Hey, that cancer probably started growing 15 years ago, right before you got this insurance! We're not paying for treatment"

That's why health insurance is much more expensive in Massachusetts than it is elsewhere, right? The pre-existing conditions laws?

What? No, the insurance companies still keeps those jobs around now because the rest of the country doesn't have those laws. That's the point. Get rid of the need for the position and you've suddenly cut a ton of overhead costs, thus decreasing the cost of healthcare for everyone.

You fail at logic.

The alternative is to pay what you pay now, which includes subsidizing all of the people without healthcare when they use the emergency room.

Hmm, which is cheaper, subsidizing preventative care and cheap general medicine or subsidizing expensive emergency room care? Why don't you tell us, winnar? Currently we're subsidizing expensive emergency room care. Do you really honestly prefer it that way?

 

[Rustler]

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."


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But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court's inability to enact "redistribution of wealth" -- a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become "Redistributionist-in-Chief."
"


http://elections.foxnews.com/2...ts-dates-college-days/

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Rustler
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."


"
But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court's inability to enact "redistribution of wealth" -- a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become "Redistributionist-in-Chief."
"


http://elections.foxnews.com/2...ts-dates-college-days/

You know if you actually read his tax plan fact sheet you will realize that the changes for the rich are minimal compared to what they were paying in the 1990's.

Perhaps you or anyone else can explain to us all why that minimal difference suddenly makes us transform from a country with a progressive tax plan to that of some kind of radical Socialist society? The proof is not in concept or your shitty opinion. The proof is in the numbers and the numbers say you are mistaken unless your definition of a socialist society is completely different from what the rest of the world defines it as.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

What? No, the insurance companies still keeps those jobs around now because the rest of the country doesn't have those laws. That's the point. Get rid of the need for the position and you've suddenly cut a ton of overhead costs, thus decreasing the cost of healthcare for everyone.

You fail at logic.

The alternative is to pay what you pay now, which includes subsidizing all of the people without healthcare when they use the emergency room.

Hmm, which is cheaper, subsidizing preventative care and cheap general medicine or subsidizing expensive emergency room care? Why don't you tell us, winnar? Currently we're subsidizing expensive emergency room care. Do you really honestly prefer it that way?

Emergency room care has its own way of rationing itself with the size and space limitations of an emergency room. All 'cheap' general medicine will give us is more costs now and more emergency costs down the line later.

Just look at Medicare and skyrocketing costs.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Emergency room care has its own way of rationing itself with the size and space limitations of an emergency room. All 'cheap' general medicine will give us is more costs now and more emergency costs down the line later.

Just look at Medicare and skyrocketing costs.

Please show me one study... just one study that has ever claimed that more general medicine (which is really preventative medicine) leads to more emergency room visits and costs.

That's an absolutely ridiculous assertion. As for looking at medicare and its 'skyrocketing costs', just look at any health plan in America and its 'skyrocketing costs'. The problem is that both still have to use the utterly broken us health care system as a whole.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

It's incredible that anyone would side with the health insurance companies. It's truly a sign of how corrupted the GOP sheep are.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's incredible that anyone would side with the health insurance companies. It's truly a sign of how corrupted the GOP sheep are.

Not hard at all if one owns company stock either individually or in a 401k/ira.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's incredible that anyone would side with the health insurance companies. It's truly a sign of how corrupted the GOP sheep are.

Maybe because this government screws up every single thing it touches. The government is basically stealing from anyone under 40 with SS they bankrupted. When the government can prove it can run a program and will deal with the illegal problem then sign me up. Until then I will deal with my evil insurance company.

 

[brencat]

OP, I'm not so much scared of an Obama win as I am a full Democratic sweep of the gov't. I am hugely cynical that govt can do anything well, let alone better than an average private for-profit company. But most of all, I just don't trust that the Dems will stop at the $200 - $250k threshold for increased taxation. Nor do I trust that capital gains taxes won't be increased more than 5%. Again, because govt has disappointed me for so long, frankly I don't trust anyone anymore. I only trust myself to achieve or die homeless trying. So yeah, I suppose it mostly comes down to money with me. If Obama succeeds, he will have proved me wrong about my cynicism and that will be a miracle...but I won't bet on it.

There are some other things too which are ancillary but are somewhat important to me, some of which include a likely return of the 1994 Clinton assault weapons ban, gun registration/rationing attempts, an explosion of lawsuits from the tort bar (unlimited $ medical malpractice, consumer goods related, etc), unrestricted embryonic stem cell research, and some other things as well.

So it's not just Obama. You marry the family as well (and the fringe lefties scare me).

 

[compuwiz1]

Obama will not win. This election will be stolen.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Rustler
I am here in Arizona and we have Janet N as our governor she is a Barak Supporter and we have the Largest budget deficit ever here in the State of Arizona, there is no control of spending here..............same as the problem in Wasington.............we need to control spending.................we are gonna give everyone health care a chicken in every pot ect ect ect.....................and not do a damn thing about spending..........

You neglected to mention that the Arizona legislature is controlled by the Republicans and has been for decades. Not just any Republicans but the most extreme, corrupt, whacked out, irresponsible nutjobs to ever sport cowboy hats. The legislature keeps cutting state revenues through asinine taxcuts for their buddies while failing to control spending.

For those not versed in Arizona politics, the function of the Governor, regardless of party, is to veto most of the crap that the loony tunes Republican legislature passes.

 

[bctbct]

If they are thinking we are going to get even, they are probably very scared.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's incredible that anyone would side with the health insurance companies. It's truly a sign of how corrupted the GOP sheep are.

What?

Who's siding with the health insurance companies?

Seems to me it's the Dems. Their UHC plans are basically a plan to force us to buy health insurance companies' products. I'm pretty sure I've read that they are supporting the Dems with their dollars/donations, and given Dem's UHC plans I understand why.

Fern

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's incredible that anyone would side with the health insurance companies. It's truly a sign of how corrupted the GOP sheep are.

Maybe because this government screws up every single thing it touches. The government is basically stealing from anyone under 40 with SS they bankrupted. When the government can prove it can run a program and will deal with the illegal problem then sign me up. Until then I will deal with my evil insurance company.

Currently you are paying more money by not providing illegals some for of government health coverage since they go straight to the emergency rooms instead which cost so much more.

Besides, how can you ever expect the government to prove to you that it can run a program such as this one successfully unless you vote for someone into office that is serious about trying to do it rather than someone like McCain who is serious about trying to hand $5000 checks to insurance companies that have been failing us over the years?

You cannot expect the government to be able to deliver for you unless you are willing to put your money where your mouth is and give them a proper chance. Also, before you point it out, I realize the government has had its chances in the past but guess what? Private insurance companies have too and look where that has gotten us.

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's incredible that anyone would side with the health insurance companies. It's truly a sign of how corrupted the GOP sheep are.

What?

Who's siding with the health insurance companies?

Seems to me it's the Dems. Their UHC plans are basically a plan to force us to buy health insurance companies' products. I'm pretty sure I've read that they are supporting the Dems with their dollars/donations, and given Dem's UHC plans I understand why.

Fern

That beats being forced to pay emergency room bills for medical attention that could have been provided by a general practitioner for something like 1/10 of the price.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

As a general observation, and I think this is very evident on this forum, it seems that the hardcore right wingers are really terrified of Obama becoming president.

I think what they fear most is being called out for the crimes commited by their Traitor In Chief and his ciminal cabal. Ted Stevens was a piker compared to their treason, murder, torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity, war profiteering and their general corruption that brought on the financial collapse.

Nothing will undo the damage they've done, but they should be held to account for their crimes.

The new Bushwhacko theme song will be "Jail To The Thief."

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

As a general observation, and I think this is very evident on this forum, it seems that the hardcore right wingers are really terrified of Obama becoming president.

I think what they fear most is being called out for the crimes commited by their Traitor In Chief and his ciminal cabal. Ted Stevens was a piker compared to their treason, murder, torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity, war profiteering and their general corruption that brought on the financial collapse.


Nothing will undo the damage they've done, but they should be held to account for their crimes.

but it's never going to happen.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Harvey

Nothing will undo the damage they've done, but they should be held to account for their crimes.

but it's never going to happen.

I never said it would, but if it does, it would be justice served. If not, I hope they're shitting their drawers and looking over their shoulders for the rest of their miserable lives.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: Rustler
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."


"
But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court's inability to enact "redistribution of wealth" -- a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become "Redistributionist-in-Chief."
"


http://elections.foxnews.com/2...ts-dates-college-days/

Has anyone who's accused Obama of being a Marxist actually read Marx? Judging by what people believe, I would guess not.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Harvey

Nothing will undo the damage they've done, but they should be held to account for their crimes.

but it's never going to happen.

I never said it would, but if it does, it would be justice served. If not, I hope they're shitting their drawers and looking over their shoulders for the rest of their miserable lives.

can't GW just pardon himself and his entire admin on his way out the door?

 

[sandorski]

Republicans had 6 years of unfettered rule and fucked up. Too bad, so sad.

 

[First]

Because liberals will be in power permanently from this point forward until the GOP reinvents itself (in becoming more liberal, most likely).