How many Walmart stores has the left prevented from being built?

[Fear No Evil]

How stupid are you dude? I don't support the mosque. I don't want it to be built. But you people blowing a gasket it over are morons and despite all the wasted effort haven't come up with a valid reason to oppose it besides it hurts your little feelings, which is laughable.

And wtf does abortion have to do with this? How about instead of demanding the "left" accept your views you accept muslims and abortion and stop your whining?

Well according to some in this forum what you just said is denying the rights of Muslims. You should probably be investigated. Who is funding your opposition to this mosque?

I'm not sure I understand how anyone is 'blowing their gasket' over this mosque. Posting your opinion in an internet forum is now 'blowing your gasket'?

 

[Red Dawn]

Like your sig. I guess it applies to all Americans...except Muslims.

Actually he never leaves the house without a half a dozen sandwiches.

 

[IronWing]

Well according to some in this forum what you just said is denying the rights of Muslims. You should probably be investigated. Who is funding your opposition to this mosque?

I'm not sure I understand how anyone is 'blowing their gasket' over this mosque. Posting your opinion in an internet forum is now 'blowing your gasket'?

Still whining.

 

[Fear No Evil]

The mosque is no more a corporation than the Vatican is a corporation. Read up on corporations. I'll be back in a bit.

I think you are wrong there. Don't church's routinely incorporate into 501(c)(3) corporations and other tax exempt business entities?

 

[TehMac]

There are more zoning laws about where Wal Mart can be built than apparently where this Triomphe d'Arc of Islamofascism can be built.

 

[Sclamoz]

Well according to some in this forum what you just said is denying the rights of Muslims. You should probably be investigated. Who is funding your opposition to this mosque?

What do I care what other people think of me? My point was I don't want any mosques being built but its not the end of the world if they build one in Manhattan or anywhere else. It's no different than if it where a church or a synagogue.

 

[rpanic]

Walmarts are like illegals you think you are saving money but your not, it’s a race to the bottom.

Edit: If the mosque was the size of a Walmart I would have a problem with it.

 

[Tristicus]

And 90% of the rebuttals in the thread are either personal attacks or "lol shutup".

Nice.

 

[IronWing]

And 90% of the rebuttals in the thread are either personal attacks or "lol shutup".

Nice.

The premise of the OP "If you support religious freedom then you must support the siting of Walmart stores anywhere and everywhere" is so stupid that we couldn't help but point out the stupidity.

 

[glenn1]

Why should we put a WalMart in an urban area? What else does the inner city need for shopping options other than fast food, convenience stores, and liquor stores? And it's not like the hipsters uptown in their business district lofts would be caught dead shopping at Wally World, so what's the point?

 

[JSt0rm]

these threads are so fucking stupid

 

[Sclamoz]

The premise of the OP "If you support religious freedom then you must support the siting of Walmart stores anywhere and everywhere" is so stupid that we couldn't help but point out the stupidity.

I thought it was if you oppose the mosque than you have to oppose Wal-Mart as well?

Imagine if the city of New York passed a law that all Mosque's in Manhattan over the value of 50 million dollars must provide healthcare for all the volunteers and employees of the mosque in order to try to prevent it from being built. The left would be outraged, but its exactly what they have done to private business themselves.

I just saw this in the OP and just wanted to say that wouldn't outrage me at all. Feel free at some point in time to stop telling saying what I feel and think as you're never correct.

The argument that the mosque is inappropriate is no different than saying its 'not fair' that Walmart puts its locally owned competitors out of business. Both arguments are perfectly VALID and LEGAL things to say, but essentially they are just OPINIONS. Why is it OK for the left to use emotional arguments such as putting mom and pop businesses out of business and providing healthcare to its employees when denying a Walmart the right to build on private property but when people speak out against a Mosque being build NEAR ground zero being inappropriate (An emotional argument) the people who do so are suddenly anti-American and acting against the Constitution?

You're also misrepresenting the opposition to wal-mart (surprise). I don't really feel strongly about it but it has to do with how it effects the local economy and environment, hiring illegals & low wages, traffic/congestion problems and so on, that goes beyond opinions. If the mosque was causing some sort of material damage to the area than it would be equivalent.

My father ran into all this when they built a super Wal-Mart a stones throw from his condo complex. To stop the complaints and opposition to it they had a store rep come to a town meeting and promise to build new sidewalks and a sound barrier between the store and the complex and fund new roads and streetlights to deal with the traffic. 3 years later other than widening the intersection the walmart sits on they haven't done any of it and have literally told the town to sue them when they asked for the rest.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Walmarts often require zoning variances, which are not granted. They also usually cause a financial burden on some municipalities, wider or additional streets, turn lanes, traffic lights, undesirable congestion on existing streets, freeway ramps, etc.. With these things in mind, and the addition of people that do not consider Walmart to be a good corporate neighbor, and people who feel it does much to erode a "buy American" mentality, many communities decide they do not want one. Besides, if a community feels its needs are being met by existing shops, why fix it if it ain't broke?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Walmarts often require zoning variances, which are not granted. They also usually cause a financial burden on some municipalities, wider or additional streets, turn lanes, traffic lights, undesirable congestion on existing streets, freeway ramps, etc.. With these things in mind, and the addition of people that do not consider Walmart to be a good corporate neighbor, and people who feel it does much to erode a "buy American" mentality, many communities decide they do not want one. Besides, if a community feels its needs are being met by existing shops, why fix it if it ain't broke?

Wouldn't a better way of dealing with the problem be to not shop at Walmart then? It seems like Walmart is not short of customers, so someone is shopping there. My guess its mostly people local to the Walmart. It seems kind of odd that you are basically punishing a successful business because they are successful. Well no, thats not odd.. its basically the liberal mantra. I've seen a million Walmarts traveling this country.. I've never found one that I felt like it was chaos driving past it. I've never driven past a Walmart where I was forced to drive in and shop at either.

But lets twist your analogy a bit. What if the people of Manhattan feel like the Mosque will cause many of those same things? It will cause disruptions to the economic and social institutions surrounding the mosque. It will require increased police protection, fire protection, and it being built might cause an eroding of relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in the area? That tension might cause further economic downturns in the area as other businesses are afraid to build around it and they aren't a good 'social neighbor'?

What if Manhattan decides that the needs of its community are already met by the existing mosques in the area?

 

[IronWing]

Wouldn't a better way of dealing with the problem be to not shop at Walmart then? It seems like Walmart is not short of customers, so someone is shopping there. My guess its mostly people local to the Walmart. It seems kind of odd that you are basically punishing a successful business because they are successful. Well no, thats not odd.. its basically the liberal mantra. I've seen a million Walmarts traveling this country.. I've never found one that I felt like it was chaos driving past it. I've never driven past a Walmart where I was forced to drive in and shop at either.

But lets twist your analogy a bit. What if the people of Manhattan feel like the Mosque will cause many of those same things? It will cause disruptions to the economic and social institutions surrounding the mosque. It will require increased police protection, fire protection, and it being built might cause an eroding of relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in the area? That tension might cause further economic downturns in the area as other businesses are afraid to build around it and they aren't a good 'social neighbor'?

What if Manhattan decides that the needs of its community are already met by the existing mosques in the area?

We have enough churches in this country to gag the most fervent among us. Yet the Constitution protects the right of folks to build even more. Corporations don't have that same right wrt to shopping locations nor should they.

 

[Infohawk]

It probably has to do with many on the left being obsessed with the underdog. They see Islam as the underdog. To them, Islam is a rational and beautiful belief system followed by teddy-bear bears. The man wants to keep them down so they support Islam fervently, despite the fact that Islam is ultimately a conservative movement.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Fear No Evil

You have neither the knowledge or the expertise to make determinations of the physical impact of this center, nor do virtually all of those bitching about it. People are employed by the city with the requisite expertise and supplied with the info to make these determinations. They have decided already. No need for you to make up useless hypotheticals. Your logic fails again.

 

[Fear No Evil]

You're also misrepresenting the opposition to wal-mart (surprise). I don't really feel strongly about it but it has to do with how it effects the local economy and environment, hiring illegals & low wages, traffic/congestion problems and so on, that goes beyond opinions. If the mosque was causing some sort of material damage to the area than it would be equivalent.

Now the left is suddenly against illegals? Racist! But seriously, we have laws with regards to hiring illegals, charge them with a crime. We have a minimum wage in this country established by congress. If thats too low, perhaps elect someone else? We have laws in this country regarding environmental impact, if they are violating those laws.. charge them with a crime. The traffic/congestion problems are the problem of the community. Its the problem of the business that there are so many customers that the existing roads can't handle the traffic? Thats what property taxes are for. Up the rates if you can't afford it.

My father ran into all this when they built a super Wal-Mart a stones throw from his condo complex. To stop the complaints and opposition to it they had a store rep come to a town meeting and promise to build new sidewalks and a sound barrier between the store and the complex and fund new roads and streetlights to deal with the traffic. 3 years later other than widening the intersection the walmart sits on they haven't done any of it and have literally told the town to sue them when they asked for the rest.

Sounds like your father's problem was not with Walmart, but rather with the city for not planning and zoning properly. Your dad probably shops there as well when they have 30 packs of Bud Light on sale for a rollback price!

I'm consistent in my opinion on this. The left does not appear to be. I'm not opposed to any Walmart or Mosque being built legally where its correctly zoned and in compliance with all local laws and regulations. I'm also not opposed to the community putting pressure on these places NOT to build if they don't think its in the best interests of the community.

I don't think in either case we should be allowed to LEGALLY prevent either one from being built as long as they comply with the law. However, if people want to protest, boycott, and pressure said Walmart and Mosque it is their Constitutional RIGHT to do everything legally they can to prevent it from being built.

Most liberals believe that religion is a farce anyway, so I am not sure why they are so concerned with protecting the rights of what is just essentially a 'business' anyway on a moral level. If you believe religion is nothing more than a spaghetti monster in the sky than the church is basically a company in the business of ripping off its customers and community (Sound familiar?) of its hard earned money. If Walmart suddenly claimed it was a non-profit church worshiping the god of consumerism would it suddenly be OK to build them anywhere?

 

[UberNeuman]

It probably has to do with many on the left being obsessed with the underdog. They see Islam as the underdog. To them, Islam is a rational and beautiful belief system followed by teddy-bear bears. The man wants to keep them down so they support Islam fervently, despite the fact that Islam is ultimately a conservative movement.

It's more of an "american" thing, rooting for the underdog.... first with Carter, then ramped up into full steam under Reagan with support for the Mujahadeen...

 

[UberNeuman]

Your dad probably shops there as well when they have 30 packs of Bud Light on sale for a rollback price!

Say what you will sir, but don't talk shit about Bud Light.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Fear No Evil

You have neither the knowledge or the expertise to make determinations of the physical impact of this center, nor do virtually all of those bitching about it. People are employed by the city with the requisite expertise and supplied with the info to make these determinations. They have decided already. No need for you to make up useless hypotheticals. Your logic fails again.

Wow! I get it. The community is too stupid to make the decision. Elected (appointed?) officials are the only ones who can do it. They probably have a liberal arts degree like philosophy or an education degree. That suddenly makes them an expert on world affairs. Just curious, if the community elects someone else to that position who decides NOT to allow the Mosque would you be OK with that or would they then not be qualified to make the decision?

But seriously, nobody is saying they don't have the legal right to build it. The community (Even some in the MUSLIM community) is saying its a BAD idea, it will only increase tensions between the Muslim and non-Muslim population in the area. It could do more DAMAGE than good. Having that discussion is a GOOD thing, its a HEALTHY thing, and its part of a normal functioning democracy.

Dr. Laura certainly had the LEGAL right to say the N-word over and over on the air. But the community has decided that it was not the PROPER thing to do and has pressured her through LEGAL means to step down from her program. Is the left denying her freedom of speech? Of course not. Just as those opposing the mosque aren't preventing the Muslim's from freedom of religion by expressing their disagreement on where its being built.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Say what you will sir, but don't talk shit about Bud Light.

You should be supporting an American beer company. Bud is no longer one of them.

 

[BoomerD]

Well according to some in this forum what you just said is denying the rights of Muslims. You should probably be investigated. Who is funding your opposition to this mosque?

I'm not sure I understand how anyone is 'blowing their gasket' over this mosque. Posting your opinion in an internet forum is now 'blowing your gasket'?

The only ones who appear to be trying to deny the rights of Muslims...are the folks on the right. Even though many of us Democrats believe that it's a poor choice of locations, we still respect the US Constitution enough to not try to interfere. Not liking the location does NOT mean trying to deny them the right to build.

As for WalMart...what constitutional right is being violated?

Show us the specific "right" that's being infringed upon when a city refuses to let WalMart build one of their mega-stores.

Personally, I agree with this:

Originally Posted by Carmen813

Secondly, corporations are not citizens. They do not have the same rights that people have, they are a legal fiction created to reduce individual risk. They are granted some rights similar to that of a citizen, but not all. That is why I personally believe Citizens United was a bullshit decision.

"Personhood" as established by the USSC is just another case of our fine government getting paid off...the best government money can (and usually does) buy...

 

[jackschmittusa]

Fear No Evil

Damn, but you must be dense! Nobody is defending Islam. We're defending America! Our principles and values! We are saying that it is un-American to condemn anyone for the acts of others. Should you be penalized in any way for the acts of your father, brother, sister? You must be just like them since you grew up in the same household, same influences, same religious training, same values taught.

 

[Steeplerot]

Useful idiots that empower radical wingnuts by trashing the constitution and a free society. Just like OBL wanted.

Yes, AQ is a conservative movement, and such synergy they have with our conservatives, both working hand in hand, although they are religious/idealistic enemies on the surface.