How many Walmart stores has the left prevented from being built?

[Jhhnn]

I mean how does this happen in the first place? They said to themselves "hey, lets go build a building in the most offense place to Americans that we can as possible. Where would that be? Oh, the World Trade Centers."

Fail, rather miserably. The proposed location is 2 blocks away, and isn't even visible from the former WTC site.

For anybody who hasn't been there, 2 blocks in Manhattan is kinda like 100 miles in Kansas...

 

[Red Dawn]

This will give you a good perspective of the distance from the Community Center and WTC

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/08/20/tsr.candiotti.mosque.cnn?hpt=T2

 

[umbrella39]

I mean how does this happen in the first place? They said to themselves "hey, lets go build a building in the most offense place to Americans that we can as possible. Where would that be? Oh, the World Trade Centers."

You continue to type from your colon...

 

[BoberFett]

I'm pretty sure that's the claim of the right/libertarians who like yourself, are largely opposed to the mosque. I'm not a big fan but Ron Paul has covered all your hypocrisy pretty well.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100820005843/en

Another idiot who thinks libertarians are against the mosque.

 

[Pens1566]

Yes, local zoning ordinances are the same as violating the 1st amendment.

 

[Jhhnn]

You continue to type from your colon...

touch typing- an irreplaceable skill for those suffering from irremedial cranio-rectal insertion... once inserted, the head swells, like a pop rivet...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Another idiot who thinks libertarians are against the mosque.

Really. If you are libertarian and are against the mosque I have to question whether you really are libertarian, or just masquerading as one.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Another idiot who thinks libertarians are against the mosque.

Some P&M posters who call themselves libertarian have commented against the community center.

Obviously not the same as your definition of libertarian.

 

[Infohawk]

Some P&M posters who call themselves libertarian have commented against the community center.

Obviously not the same as your definition of libertarian.

The two aren't inconsistent. It's a pro-mosque strawman that most opponents think the center should be illegal. What I've heard from most of the "opponents" on this board is that they just think it's in bad taste, not that they think it should be illegal. So you could be a libertarian and think the mosque is a bad idea.

Just like you think the god hates i love you people are stupid even if they have a right to express their views.

 

[BoberFett]

Some P&M posters who call themselves libertarian have commented against the community center.

Obviously not the same as your definition of libertarian.

And I'm sure there are Democrats who are against it too.

OMG!!!! DEMOCRATS HATE FREEDOM!!!!

 

[hal2kilo]

I have still yet to set foot in an actual wal mart. Its too bad that NYC liberal bleeding hearts have prevented a store like that from actually existing.

Walmart likes cheap or tax payer subsidized real estate. Not found in NYC, at least unless you're connected.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I don't think I've seen anyone try to take away freedom of speech, certainly many have spoken their opinion on this matter.

That said, there are well known limits on free speech already, it doesn't mean you get to say anything you want. You can find numerous Supreme Court rulings limiting it. Freedom of Speech does not give you the right to impinge the rights of others. Freedom of Speech also does not prevent others from criticizing you. Others can label you in anyway they want to, to a certain degree.

In this case, the "freedom of speech" is being used to prevent free exercise of religion, which is also protected by the first amendment. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution (or in this case, the same amendment) you follow.

Exactly is how saying you are opposed to the mosque preventing free exercise of religion? By your explanation I guess people can NEVER oppose anything a church does? Are democrats who say priests who molest children should be removed from the church somehow limiting freedom of religion?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Fear No Evil

definition: to pronounce to be guilty; sentence to punishment: to condemn a murderer to life imprisonment.

Since the the whole argument has been about holding people accountable for the actions of others, how could you not have understood this definition?

Since 99.9999999% of the people opposing the mosque are not judges.. I don't see how they can CONDEMN anyone for anything. Where in this thread have I said we need to hold people accountable for other people's actions? You are just making this shit up. I've said people have the absolute constitutional right to SAY that they OPPOSE the mosque for ANY reason. Having a protester telling the mosque building why its insensitive is not preventing him from building it or limiting his freedom of religion in ANY way.

 

[werepossum]

This thread can show WalMart the secret to making liberals happy. Since liberals are insisting that this isn't a mosque, but merely a community center with a mosque in it - but also insisting that religious freedom gives them the right to build it wherever they choose - then it's clear that WalMart merely needs to add a chapel to all their standard floor plans. Then all liberals will support their construction everywhere, 'cause you guys keep insisting that your continual support FOR Islam and AGAINST Christianity is mere coincidence.

 

[IronWing]

This thread can show WalMart the secret to making liberals happy. Since liberals are insisting that this isn't a mosque, but merely a community center with a mosque in it - but also insisting that religious freedom gives them the right to build it wherever they choose - then it's clear that WalMart merely needs to add a chapel to all their standard floor plans. Then all liberals will support their construction everywhere, 'cause you guys keep insisting that your continual support FOR Islam and AGAINST Christianity is mere coincidence.

WalChurch is an interesting concept. Might be worth a try. God wants you to stock up and save!

As for your last line, I support the Constitution. Why don't you?

 

[Sclamoz]

This thread can show WalMart the secret to making liberals happy. Since liberals are insisting that this isn't a mosque, but merely a community center with a mosque in it - but also insisting that religious freedom gives them the right to build it wherever they choose - then it's clear that WalMart merely needs to add a chapel to all their standard floor plans. Then all liberals will support their construction everywhere, 'cause you guys keep insisting that your continual support FOR Islam and AGAINST Christianity is mere coincidence.

Walmart already has the right to build where they want. The community center/mosque can be stopped just as easily as a Walmart can as its not a freedom of religion issue, why is though so hard for you nitwits to get? It's the lack of substance in the argument against the mosque besides "it makes me feel uncomfortable inside!" that's the issue. Your personal problems with Islam and mosques is a ridiculous reason to try and stop a mosque. Just like if I tried to stop a church being built because I don't like Christians it would be equally ridiculous.

This whole thing just reminds me of the boycott the french thing the right tried to pull before the Iraq war. No reasoning, just unjustified anger and hypocrisy.

I don't like any religion but I don't protest the building of religious buildings, people can worship what they want how they want, it's their business. Your complaints about people supporting islam over Christianity is a fucking joke.

 

[werepossum]

WalChurch is an interesting concept. Might be worth a try. God wants you to stock up and save!

As for your last line, I support the Constitution. Why don't you?

Walmart already has the right to build where they want. The community center/mosque can be stopped just as easily as a Walmart can as its not a freedom of religion issue, why is though so hard for you nitwits to get? It's the lack of substance in the argument against the mosque besides "it makes me feel uncomfortable inside!" that's the issue. Your personal problems with Islam and mosques is a ridiculous reason to try and stop a mosque. Just like if I tried to stop a church being built because I don't like Christians it would be equally ridiculous.

This whole thing just reminds me of the boycott the french thing the right tried to pull before the Iraq war. No reasoning, just unjustified anger and hypocrisy.

I don't like any religion but I don't protest the building of religious buildings, people can worship what they want how they want, it's their business. Your complaints about people supporting islam over Christianity is a fucking joke.

Still beating the pure coincidence drum, huh guys? What rotten luck the Christians have, that our practices always run counter to the Constitution. What great luck the Muslims have, that their practices always run in line with the Constitution.

 

[IronWing]

Still beating the pure coincidence drum, huh guys? What rotten luck the Christians have, that our practices always run counter to the Constitution. What great luck the Muslims have, that their practices always run in line with the Constitution.

And yet the vast majority of Christians go through life loving, praying, worshiping, gathering, and building churches w/o colliding with the Constitution. The Christians who end up arguing constitutional issues wrt their faith seem to be those that simply can't believe the Constitution says what it really says.

 

[Sclamoz]

Still beating the pure coincidence drum, huh guys? What rotten luck the Christians have, that our practices always run counter to the Constitution. What great luck the Muslims have, that their practices always run in line with the Constitution.

Nope, I don't think those who oppose the mosque are unconstitutional, just dumb. If the government was blocking it then it very well might be. I'm sorry you can't get that.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Walmart already has the right to build where they want. The community center/mosque can be stopped just as easily as a Walmart can as its not a freedom of religion issue, why is though so hard for you nitwits to get? It's the lack of substance in the argument against the mosque besides "it makes me feel uncomfortable inside!" that's the issue. Your personal problems with Islam and mosques is a ridiculous reason to try and stop a mosque. Just like if I tried to stop a church being built because I don't like Christians it would be equally ridiculous.

This whole thing just reminds me of the boycott the french thing the right tried to pull before the Iraq war. No reasoning, just unjustified anger and hypocrisy.

I don't like any religion but I don't protest the building of religious buildings, people can worship what they want how they want, it's their business. Your complaints about people supporting islam over Christianity is a fucking joke.

The left routinely opposes things religion does in this country because it makes them 'feel' uncomfortable. How about removing the word God from our money? OMG!!!!!!! Having the word God on my money is going to make me a Jesus lover! Wahhh! Sound familiar to an argument you are making? Sounds like no reasoning, unjustified anger, and hypocrisy. Thats pretty much par for the course from lefty lunatics though.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Nope, I don't think those who oppose the mosque are unconstitutional, just dumb. If the government was blocking it then it very well might be. I'm sorry you can't get that.

We don't it because the angry liberal lefties in this forum routinely say it IS unconstitutional for people to oppose the mosque. Maybe YOU aren't saying it but a lot of your kind are!

 

[Sclamoz]

We don't it because the angry liberal lefties in this forum routinely say it IS unconstitutional for people to oppose the mosque. Maybe YOU aren't saying it but a lot of your kind are!

I really don't care what anyone else is saying. I'm not anymore responsible for what they think or you're responsible for the KKK and the people building the mosque are responsible for 9/11 or terrorism.

 

[IronWing]

The left routinely opposes things religion does in this country because it makes them 'feel' uncomfortable. How about removing the word God from our money? OMG!!!!!!! Having the word God on my money is going to make me a Jesus lover! Wahhh! Sound familiar to an argument you are making? Sounds like no reasoning, unjustified anger, and hypocrisy. Thats pretty much par for the course from lefty lunatics though.

God on the money is government action in support of a specific type of religion, theism. That's a Constitutional no-no. If we changed "God" to "wood fairies" would you be okay with it? How about we rotate through different types of supernatural entities sort of like with state quarters?

In The Force we trust
In banshees we trust
In zombies we trust
In pyramids we trust


Oh wait, we got that last one covered.

 

[Red Dawn]

We don't it because the angry liberal lefties in this forum routinely say it IS unconstitutional for people to oppose the mosque. Maybe YOU aren't saying it but a lot of your kind are!

It's only unconstitutional if it was prevented from happening by the state. It's prejudiced to not want them to have it. Now you might feel that you are right in being prejudiced. Well if I'm for allowing Churches and people to worship their Gods or beliefs even if I think it's bullshit then I have to give it to them. I don't have to agree with their beliefs and I can assure you I don't, none of them but I have to allow them to do it as long as it doesn't infringe on my or others rights. Now if you want to get all caught up in this orchestrates/manufactured hysteria it's your right but then it's my right to call you on it and I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem calling me on it if you felt the situation was reversed.

 

[werepossum]

Nope, I don't think those who oppose the mosque are unconstitutional, just dumb. If the government was blocking it then it very well might be. I'm sorry you can't get that.

Perhaps you don't think those opposing the mosque are unconstitutional, but most lefties on these pages have expressed that opinion. Most of these same left wingers have no problem banning the Boy Scouts from public buildings or prohibiting crosses from being erected on public property; Christianity for too many on the left is unconstitutional wherever the slightest hint of it can be found, yet Islam is constitutional wherever it is found. Witness support for North Carolina's state colleges which ban public scholarship funds going to religion majors as violating the separation between church and state while simultaneously requiring that EVERY incoming freshman take a course on understanding Islam. It certainly isn't the Bible-thumping right supporting that dichotomy! The old Arab axiom that the enemy of my enemy is my friend has taken firm root with liberals, who see Christianity as THE enemy and Islam as a valuable ally. As for myself I see the Cordoba House mosque as a monument to Islam's victory, as was its namesake - it's perfectly constitutional to build it, and perfectly constitutional to voice opposition.

I would argue though that opposition to the mosque isn't prejudice as it only really started when the radical nature of this Imam (embraced by Obama and by Bush before him) and his foundation came to light. Thus this is judgment based on information about the actual situation. In much the same way I would also be opposed to the NAMBLA Community and Child Development Center - some things are just evil. Were this the Greater New York Islamic Community Center, driven by an Imam famous for speaking out against Islamic terrorism, I would not oppose it (though i wouldn't particularly support it, I'd just remain neutral.) But the Cordoba House driven by an Imam notorious for supporting Sharia and naming the USA as responsible for 9/11 is something anyone with an ounce of patriotism or common decency ought to oppose. It's the moral equivalent of the Aryan Brotherhood opening a church in the Lorraine Motel, something that might have to be tolerated, but should never be tolerated quietly.