How do you acount for the decline over the last 40 years?

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Riprorin

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If you doubt that we're digressing consider these facts:

Since 1960 there has been a 560 percent increase in violent crime. {1}

In the last 30 years, births outside of marriage have increased 419 percent.{2}

Divorce rates have tripled.{3}

The number of children living in single-parent homes has tripled. {4}

The teen-age suicide rate has increased 200 percent. {5}

SAT scores have plummeted 80 points on average. {6}

6,000 people around the globe contract HIV every day. {7}

One in five Americans has a sexually transmitted disease. {8}

{1} Federal Bureau of Investigation statistics.
{2} National Center for Health statistics.
{3} Ibid.
{4} Census Bureau statistics.
{5} National Center for Health statistics.
{6} The College Board.
{7} "Speaking Of: World Health," Los Angeles Times, May 2, 1995, H2; citing "The World Health Report 1995, Bridging the Gaps."
{8} Ibid.

 
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WTT0001

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Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.
 
Zenmervolt

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SAT scores have plummeted 80 points on average.
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And that's after the test was made significantly easier than it was in the 1960's.

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EDIT: This country was never "based on the Bible", Paine and Hume (on whose philosophies this Republic was based) were both noted atheists/agnostics. The fact that there is a correlation between some Biblical values and traditional American values does not imply causation. Any rational being will see that the so-called "Biblical values" are prudent regardless of a belief in the Christian God or in Christ. A Buddhist or a Hindu would also embrace "Biblical values" even though he would not recognise such values as being Biblical. A virtuous ethical system may be arrived at independantly of a system of faith.
 
Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.
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Prove it then.
 
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Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.
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Prove it then.
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The title asked for an explanation for the decline. WTT0001 provided one.

And your theory is?

 
Bignate603

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
SAT scores have plummeted 80 points on average.
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And that's after the test was made significantly easier than it was in the 1960's.

ZV

EDIT: This country was never "based on the Bible", Paine and Hume (on whose philosophies this Republic was based) were both noted atheists/agnostics. The fact that there is a correlation between some Biblical values and traditional American values does not imply causation. Any rational being will see that the so-called "Biblical values" are prudent regardless of a belief in the Christian God or in Christ. A Buddhist or a Hindu would also embrace "Biblical values" even though he would not recognise such values as being Biblical. A virtuous ethical system may be arrived at independantly of a system of faith.
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More people are taking them. It used to be only the best and the brightest that went to college, now everybody takes them.
 
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MacBaine

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Hippies. Hippies had kids... they didn't discipline their kids... their kids had kids and didn't discipline them, etc.
 
shiner

shiner

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Easy....the influence of the "Flower Power" generation and the growth of social welfare programs. Wasn't LBJ's "Great Society" program supposed to cure all our social ills? Yeah....that worked.
 
Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.
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Prove it then.
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The title asked for an explanation for the decline. WTT0001 provided one.

And your theory is?
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The title asked for an explanation and he posted what he claimed was an absolute truth. I just asked him to prove it.

My Theory? Doctor Spock.
 
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Lonyo

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It's all the fault of Osama Bin Laden and all the other terrorists, and Saddam Hussein, that's the only explanation.
 
her209

her209

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Since when was being a good person was only due to Christian beliefs.
 
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Riprorin

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Originally posted by: her209
Since when was being a good person was only due to Christian beliefs.
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Never as far I'm concerned but what does this have to do with the topic?
 
Muse

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Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.
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You can't take God out of anything. God is everywhere, every thing, so I don't know where you got that idea. Our country is NOT based on the Bible, I don't know where you got that idea. It's based on the Constitution if it's based on anything.
 
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It's simple. There are more things to do (clubs, parties, raves, drug, alcohol, unprotected sex, ..etc etc) than 40 years ago. All these are accounted for the decline of American society. Also the national population increased.
 
her209

her209

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: her209
Since when was being a good person was only due to Christian beliefs.
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Never as far I'm concerned but what does this have to do with the topic?
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Its obvious you didn't read the thread.

 
ed21x

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i'd say a HUGE population increase, combined with the influx of foreign immigrants have contributed to all those.
 
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Orsorum

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Originally posted by: ed21x
i'd say a HUGE population increase, combined with the influx of foreign immigrants have contributed to all those.
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lol

That cracks me up... it's all dem damn immigants!
 
shiner

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ed21x
i'd say a HUGE population increase, combined with the influx of foreign immigrants have contributed to all those.
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lol

That cracks me up... it's all dem damn immigants!
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Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the immigants the whole time.

 
Kaervak

Kaervak

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ed21x
i'd say a HUGE population increase, combined with the influx of foreign immigrants have contributed to all those.
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lol

That cracks me up... it's all dem damn immigants!
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Well, other cultural influences and what not.
 
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