How do you acount for the decline over the last 40 years?

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ed21x
i'd say a HUGE population increase, combined with the influx of foreign immigrants have contributed to all those.

lol

That cracks me up... it's all dem damn immigants!

Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the immigants the whole time.

lol

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ed21x
i'd say a HUGE population increase, combined with the influx of foreign immigrants have contributed to all those.

lol

That cracks me up... it's all dem damn immigants!

Well, other cultural influences and what not.

Ever heard of the mass immigrations of eastern/western europeans throughout the latter half of the 19th century and the first half of the 20th?

Yeah, that contributed to the decline of our society in the last 30 years.

How many first/second-generation asian/russian/european immigrants do you see shooting up schools?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Easy....the influence of the "Flower Power" generation and the growth of social welfare programs. Wasn't LBJ's "Great Society" program supposed to cure all our social ills? Yeah....that worked.

Two major contributors, in my opinion as well.

The "Great Society" has proven to be an abject failure. I can't stress that enough, and it amazes me what lengths people will go to to deny this very simple fact.

Another problem has been two working parent homes, and the increase of one parent families. Both led to the other in a snowball effect. I'm not sexist, hell, I would be fine with fathers staying home and mothers working. But it's painfully obvious that children need a FULL TIME parent and a hard working, bread winning roll model parent. There is a reason this was the norm for hundreds, if not thousands of years... it worked best.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Easy....the influence of the "Flower Power" generation and the growth of social welfare programs. Wasn't LBJ's "Great Society" program supposed to cure all our social ills? Yeah....that worked.

Two major contributors, in my opinion as well.

The "Great Society" has proven to be an abject failure. I can't stress that enough, and it amazes me what lengths people will go to to deny this very simple fact.

Another problem has been two working parent homes, and the increase of one parent families. Both led to the other in a snowball effect. I'm not sexist, hell, I would be fine with fathers staying home and mothers working. But it's painfully obvious that children need a FULL TIME parent and a hard working, bread winning roll model parent. There is a reason this was the norm for hundreds, if not thousands of years... it worked best.

Bingo....I should have included that point as well.

 

[yellowperil]

Violent crime has decreased since the 80's/early 90's however. And what about the positives in society, such as acknowledgment of equality (even if it's not always a reality) of people regardless of skin color or sex.

 

[Kaervak]

It was just a suggestion. Frankly I haven't the slightest idea why. Hell too me things have become less "oppressive" than they were back then.

 

[Muse]

Personally, if asked for an explanation for why things are getting worse, I tend to think of the "population bomb". I never read that book but I've long been aware of the problem. Overpopulation is not a simple problem, not a limited problem. It's a problem that causes other problems. Most of the world's problems are exacerbated by this one humongous problem. I don't have the statistics, although I've seen them and most of you have too. I think the population of the planet of humans has just about tripled in that period from around 2 billion to around maybe 6 billion now. How sustainable is that kind of population growth? Obviously, unchecked, OP will lead to catastrophes eventually - famine, disease, war, political and social instability, you name it. Seriously, I find it hard to get into the heads of Right to Lifers. As I see it, they are blind to what's going on. Just how valuable is the right to live in deplorable conditions?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ed21x
i'd say a HUGE population increase, combined with the influx of foreign immigrants have contributed to all those.

The number of emigrants per capita is far, FAR lower than it was at the turn of the century. That's not the problem.

 

[Spamela]

because Strom Thurmond wasn't elected president? (j/k)

IMHO, the government's deception during the Vietnam war got the whole cynical mess started.

if you didn't live through it, as some of us did, then you'll have a hard time grokking it.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.

Prove it then.

The title asked for an explanation for the decline. WTT0001 provided one.

And your theory is?

The title asked for an explanation and he posted what he claimed was an absolute truth. I just asked him to prove it.

My Theory? Doctor Spock.

I don't think his claim was different than any other that's been promoted here in terms of being "absolute truth".

Why the hostility?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
Another problem has been two working parent homes, and the increase of one parent families. Both led to the other in a snowball effect. I'm not sexist, hell, I would be fine with fathers staying home and mothers working. But it's painfully obvious that children need a FULL TIME parent and a hard working, bread winning roll model parent. There is a reason this was the norm for hundreds, if not thousands of years... it worked best.

So the problem are the feminists.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Muse
Personally, if asked for an explanation for why things are getting worse, I tend to think of the "population bomb". I never read that book but I've long been aware of the problem. Overpopulation is not a simple problem, not a limited problem. It's a problem that causes other problems. Most of the world's problems are exacerbated by this one humongous problem. I don't have the statistics, although I've seen them and most of you have too. I think the population of the planet of humans has just about tripled in that period from around 2 billion to around maybe 6 billion now. How sustainable is that kind of population growth? Obviously, unchecked, OP will lead to catastrophes eventually - famine, disease, war, political and social instability, you name it. Seriously, I find it hard to get into the heads of Right to Lifers. As I see it, they are blind to what's going on.

Europe and the US have a nearly 0 population growth due to births now (parts of Europe have even had a negative rate in growth). Our main source of population growth is immigration.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
Another problem has been two working parent homes, and the increase of one parent families. Both led to the other in a snowball effect. I'm not sexist, hell, I would be fine with fathers staying home and mothers working. But it's painfully obvious that children need a FULL TIME parent and a hard working, bread winning roll model parent. There is a reason this was the norm for hundreds, if not thousands of years... it worked best.

So the problem are the feminists.

No, apparently you missed this part of his post.

I'm not sexist, hell, I would be fine with fathers staying home and mothers working.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
Another problem has been two working parent homes, and the increase of one parent families. Both led to the other in a snowball effect. I'm not sexist, hell, I would be fine with fathers staying home and mothers working. But it's painfully obvious that children need a FULL TIME parent and a hard working, bread winning roll model parent. There is a reason this was the norm for hundreds, if not thousands of years... it worked best.

So the problem are the feminists.

No. Not at all. As I said, I don't care who chooses to work, as long as one parent stays home, and families stay together.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Spamela
because Strom Thurmond wasn't elected president? (j/k)

IMHO, the government's deception during the Vietnam war got the whole cynical mess started.

if you didn't live through it, as some of us did, then you'll have a hard time grokking it.

With all due respect, I'd like to say that most of the serious posts (some of them are obviously at least tongue in cheek) are looking at the symptoms and not the problem. Not to belittle the seriousness of the symptoms, mind you.

 

[WTT0001]

Here is a decent page on it. I can't find exactly what I am looking for, I think the exact quotes I wanted are in my Goverment and World History book from Abeka but I can't find it. I will keep on looking though.

Edit: Also the main page Here

Better: Here is getting closer

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
Another problem has been two working parent homes, and the increase of one parent families. Both led to the other in a snowball effect. I'm not sexist, hell, I would be fine with fathers staying home and mothers working. But it's painfully obvious that children need a FULL TIME parent and a hard working, bread winning roll model parent. There is a reason this was the norm for hundreds, if not thousands of years... it worked best.

So the problem are the feminists.

No. Not at all. As I said, I don't care who chooses to work, as long as one parent stays home, and families stay together.

dammit, amused has said exactly what i wanted to say in these two posts. it's fairly obvious to me... when did women start working more than ever before? yea, there we go. goddamn people, if you don't have the time to raise children, DON'T HAVE THEM!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.

Prove it then.

The title asked for an explanation for the decline. WTT0001 provided one.

And your theory is?

The title asked for an explanation and he posted what he claimed was an absolute truth. I just asked him to prove it.

My Theory? Doctor Spock.

I don't think his claim was different than any other that's been promoted here in terms of being "absolute truth".

Why the hostility?

The difference is that others have offered theories where as he posted what he claims is an absolute truth. Theories don't need to be proven, claims of absolute truth do.

BTW, I haven't been hostile.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

BTW, I haven't been hostile.

RD not hostile??? When??? Where???
Now there's some denial for ya! 😉

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Muse
Personally, if asked for an explanation for why things are getting worse, I tend to think of the "population bomb". I never read that book but I've long been aware of the problem. Overpopulation is not a simple problem, not a limited problem. It's a problem that causes other problems. Most of the world's problems are exacerbated by this one humongous problem. I don't have the statistics, although I've seen them and most of you have too. I think the population of the planet of humans has just about tripled in that period from around 2 billion to around maybe 6 billion now. How sustainable is that kind of population growth? Obviously, unchecked, OP will lead to catastrophes eventually - famine, disease, war, political and social instability, you name it. Seriously, I find it hard to get into the heads of Right to Lifers. As I see it, they are blind to what's going on.

Europe and the US have a nearly 0 population growth due to births now (parts of Europe have even had a negative rate in growth). Our main source of population growth is immigration.

OK, but the population growth since 1960 is not zero although it may have stabilized as you say. However we are impacted by what goes on all over the world. We are not living in a self sustaining microcosm. There's a potentially catastrophic AIDs epidemic going on globally. Labor markets in the US are affected by what's going on globally when things can be and are manufactured cheaper in overpopulated countries. The result is it's less and less possible to support a family with only one parent working in the US. And all manner of other problems (several in the OP) spin off of that.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: WTT0001
Here is a decent page on it. I can't find exactly what I am looking for, I think the exact quotes I wanted are in my Goverment and World History book from Abeka but I can't find it. I will keep on looking though.

Edit: Also the main page Here

Better: Here is getting closer

Sorry, that's just a bunch of Christian Rhetoric and doesn't prove anything..well to me.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.

Prove it then.

The title asked for an explanation for the decline. WTT0001 provided one.

And your theory is?

The title asked for an explanation and he posted what he claimed was an absolute truth. I just asked him to prove it.

My Theory? Doctor Spock.

I don't think his claim was different than any other that's been promoted here in terms of being "absolute truth".

Why the hostility?

The difference is that others have offered theories where as he posted what he claims is an absolute truth. Theories don't need to be proven, claims of absolute truth do.

BTW, I haven't been hostile.

Sorry, I'm missing the distinction. I don't think that he claimed his view was an absolute truth. I think you're looking for things that aren't there because you're clouded by hatred.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.

Prove it then.

The title asked for an explanation for the decline. WTT0001 provided one.

And your theory is?

The title asked for an explanation and he posted what he claimed was an absolute truth. I just asked him to prove it.

My Theory? Doctor Spock.

I don't think his claim was different than any other that's been promoted here in terms of being "absolute truth".

Why the hostility?

The difference is that others have offered theories where as he posted what he claims is an absolute truth. Theories don't need to be proven, claims of absolute truth do.

BTW, I haven't been hostile.

Sorry, I'm missing the distinction. I don't think that he claimed his view was an absolute truth. I think you're looking for things that aren't there because you're clouded by hatred.

uh... he said "it is the truth"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

BTW, I haven't been hostile.

RD not hostile??? When??? Where???
Now there's some denial for ya! 😉

Fsck Off you God Damned Bunghole Yodeling Libertarian Rabble Rouser!!!!

Now there's some Hostility for you😉

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

SAT scores have plummeted 80 points on average.

And that's after the test was made significantly easier than it was in the 1960's.

ZV

EDIT: This country was never "based on the Bible", Paine and Hume (on whose philosophies this Republic was based) were both noted atheists/agnostics. The fact that there is a correlation between some Biblical values and traditional American values does not imply causation. Any rational being will see that the so-called "Biblical values" are prudent regardless of a belief in the Christian God or in Christ. A Buddhist or a Hindu would also embrace "Biblical values" even though he would not recognise such values as being Biblical. A virtuous ethical system may be arrived at independantly of a system of faith.

The "republic" was created prior to 1960. Looking at 1940 - 1960 America, you will see that it was very strong in it's religious ways and most peoples ethics centered around the church. So the "so-called 'Biblical values'" that you were so quick to shoot down is very much a plausible cause. If the question were asking about the decline since the day the United States was founded... You would have a point.