How do you acount for the decline over the last 40 years?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.

Prove it then.

The title asked for an explanation for the decline. WTT0001 provided one.

And your theory is?

The title asked for an explanation and he posted what he claimed was an absolute truth. I just asked him to prove it.

My Theory? Doctor Spock.

I don't think his claim was different than any other that's been promoted here in terms of being "absolute truth".

Why the hostility?

The difference is that others have offered theories where as he posted what he claims is an absolute truth. Theories don't need to be proven, claims of absolute truth do.

BTW, I haven't been hostile.

Sorry, I'm missing the distinction. I don't think that he claimed his view was an absolute truth. I think you're looking for things that aren't there because you're clouded by hatred.

uh... he said "it is the truth"

Exactly.

 

[WTT0001]

There is no humanly possible way for me to prove it to you, you have to find out yourself. I know that it is true, every single item listed at the begining of this thread IS a result of ignoring the 10 commandments in general and the bible in particular (I think that I how it should be phrased, not sure on that one).

Oh, and here is some quotes from various "leaders" in history regarding God and the Bible, Etc.

 

[Orsorum]

Such as "you shall worship me only"? Yeah, I'm sure that the Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, Atheists and Muslims are the cause of the degradation of our society.



Look up the code of Hammurabi.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: WTT0001
There is no humanly possible way for me to prove it to you, you have to find out yourself. I know that it is true, every single item listed at the begining of this thread IS a result of ignoring the 10 commandments in general and the bible in particular (I think that I how it should be phrased, not sure on that one).

Oh, and here is some quotes from various "leaders" in history regarding God and the Bible, Etc.

you don't have to read the bible to know that killing people is wrong... or that you shouldn't covet your neighbor's wife.

and furthermore, if what you said is true, shouldn't religious countries be leaps and bounds ahead of us? funny, i can't think of a single one... aside from those in the middle east, that is.

btw, when was "in god we trust" put on our currency, and "under god" added to the pledge of allegience? seems like things have gone down hill from there... 😛

 

[Riprorin]

If we didn't think our views were "the truth" why would we espouse them? He simply stated his opinion like many others but you singled him out jumped down his throat because of you anti-religious hostility.

 

[WTT0001]

Here same stuff as the 3rd link

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If we didn't think our views were "the truth" why would we espouse them? He simply stated his opinion like many others but you singled him out jumped down his throat because of you anti-religious hostility.

I have no inherent objection to religion - I'm leaning towards Taoism.

However, I do object to my country's history being portrayed in a blatantly false and ignorant fashion.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If we didn't think our views were "the truth" why would we espouse them? He simply stated his opinion like many others but you singled him out jumped down his throat because of you anti-religious hostility.

if you say something is true, you are stating it as fact, not opinion. if he meant it to be opinion, he would have said "i think... da dada da". for example, i don't believe in god. but, since i can not prove one does not exist, i do not say stuff like "god doesn't exist, that is the truth". instead, i say "i do not think god exists".

 

[Riprorin]

Gee, let's don't promote our own ideas but jump down the throat of those who have a religious perspective. What a novel thing for an ATOT thread.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Gee, let's don't promote our own ideas but jump down the throat of those who have a religious perspective. What a novel thing for an ATOT thread.

I'll say it again...

I object to my country's history being portrayed in a blatantly false and ignorant fashion.

 

[WTT0001]

I have to get to work now but here is a last thought for you all,

Can you prove me wrong??? Can you give me ANY other explanation???

I will admit that I don't know everything (Duh) but look at the evidence.

Anyway, I'll get off the soapbox and let someone else step up🙂

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If we didn't think our views were "the truth" why would we espouse them? He simply stated his opinion like many others but you singled him out jumped down his throat because of you anti-religious hostility.

if you say something is true, you are stating it as fact, not opinion. if he meant it to be opinion, he would have said "i think... da dada da". for example, i don't believe in god. but, since i can not prove one does not exist, i do not say stuff like "god doesn't exist, that is the truth". instead, i say "i do not think god exists".

It's the truth as he sees it. Can we stop splitting hairs?

 

[LH]

It wasnt talked about and nothing was done about it then, but child molestation, especially by parents, was a problem back then, a huge problem, even into the 60s. It was until the late 70s/80s that stuff was actually being done about that issue.

I wouldnt call it a decline, just a change. I would also be suspect of number from back then, Im sure they arent as accurate as todays, and todays arent totally accurate.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If we didn't think our views were "the truth" why would we espouse them? He simply stated his opinion like many others but you singled him out jumped down his throat because of you anti-religious hostility.

Why so defensive? All I asked was for him to prove what he claimed as an absolute truth which he tried to do. It seems the only one that has a problem with me asking him to prove it was you as he seemed eager to try and support his claim.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If we didn't think our views were "the truth" why would we espouse them? He simply stated his opinion like many others but you singled him out jumped down his throat because of you anti-religious hostility.

Why so defensive? All I asked was for him to prove what he claimed as an absolute truth which he tried to do. It seems the only one that has a problem with me asking him to prove it was you as he seemed eager to try and support his claim.

This is pointless. You obviously have more time to waste on drivel than me.

Interesting how the righteous indignation here is so selective.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If we didn't think our views were "the truth" why would we espouse them? He simply stated his opinion like many others but you singled him out jumped down his throat because of you anti-religious hostility.

Why so defensive? All I asked was for him to prove what he claimed as an absolute truth which he tried to do. It seems the only one that has a problem with me asking him to prove it was you as he seemed eager to try and support his claim.

This is pointless. You obviously have more time to waste on drivel than me.

Interesting how the righteous indignation here is so selective.

eh, it's just annoying to hear people call something the truth over and over again and not be able to back it up. i don't have a problem with people having whatever religious beliefs they do... just don't call things the "truth" if you can't prove it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: axiom
The cause of the decline over the past 40 years is Humanism. We let humanism into our schools, government and public service and we didn't even see it coming. We gave them an inch and they took a yard. It took a Great Depression for Humanist to capitalize on the poor, weary minds of the 1930's in America and their promises made a lot of sense during this era of American history.

If you please, explain in some detail what you mean.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: axiom
The cause of the decline over the past 40 years is Humanism. We let humanism into our schools, government and public service and we didn't even see it coming. We gave them an inch and they took a yard. It took a Great Depression for Humanist to capitalize on the poor, weary minds of the 1930's in America and their promises made a lot of sense during this era of American history.

What is humanism?

IMO, it's not simply one thing . . . Red and Amused have good points.

 

[GasX]

Well, The average joe makes more money now than he did in the sixties..

He lives longer

Has access to better healthcare

He is less likely to suffer discrimination if he is a minority

He is less likely to get ostracized if his wife is a different ethnicity than him

He is free to get out of a bad marriage without being stigmatized

His car is more reliable and safer

I can go on and on.

Make no mistake, today's world has its own problems, but things are better now than they ever were before.

 

[WTT0001]

Ok, now I am actually going, If you guys ever get around to it watch the movie "Judgement" produced by Cloud10.

Gotta head out, cya

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.

Prove it then.

The title asked for an explanation for the decline. WTT0001 provided one.

And your theory is?

The title asked for an explanation and he posted what he claimed was an absolute truth. I just asked him to prove it.

My Theory? Doctor Spock.

If you please, could you explain how Dr. Spock is responsible?

 

[feralkid]

It's all those god damned Christian immigrants.

 

[amnesiac]

Originally posted by: WTT0001
Its simple, we took God out of everything. This country was based on the Bible, It thrived, now that we have taken God out, look at this country now.

I am gonna get flamed but it is the truth.

I'll have to agree with you here. As an agnostic-turned-Christian, it's becoming clear to me that as our stake in God decreases, the more we decline as a society.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: axiom
First of all the main proponent of Humanism is in our public schools and higher learning institutions. Our children are bombarded with lies from kindergarten until they throw their caps in the air to celebrate their Bachelors degree. Not all of our education is lies, but the fact that we even have the gall to teach lies is appalling. Evolution is a belief. Creationism is a belief. Evolution is taught in schools. Creationism is not. How can this be?

Evolution is fact - it's mechanisms are theory. Creationism is a theory.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: axiom
First of all the main proponent of Humanism is in our public schools and higher learning institutions. Our children are bombarded with lies from kindergarten until they throw their caps in the air to celebrate their Bachelors degree. Not all of our education is lies, but the fact that we even have the gall to teach lies is appalling. Evolution is a belief. Creationism is a belief. Evolution is taught in schools. Creationism is not. How can this be?

Evolution is a currently scientific fact, backed by the fossil record and observed microevolution.