How do we feel about papa joe this far into his presidency, would you vote for him in reelection?

[UNCjigga]

Alarm bells should be ringing at DNC HQ and they need to go to DEFCON 5. I don’t care about margin of error—early polls have Trump leading Biden which means *any* other GOP candidate will dominate independents/undecideds.

Of course, 2+ years till the election, but this data indicates that even if Biden keeps “winning” during his term, it may not matter if right-wing media and Biden’s inherent aging can skew public perception for re-election.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622227501568200706

 

[fskimospy]

Alarm bells should be ringing at DNC HQ and they need to go to DEFCON 5. I don’t care about margin of error—early polls have Trump leading Biden which means *any* other GOP candidate will dominate independents/undecideds.

Of course, 2+ years till the election, but this data indicates that even if Biden keeps “winning” during his term, it may not matter if right-wing media and Biden’s inherent aging can skew public perception for re-election.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622227501568200706

These polls are somewhere between essentially meaningless and totally meaningless. For example in 2010 Obama and fucking Ron Paul were neck and neck. lol.

Obama in Close Race Against Romney, Perry, Bachmann, Paul

Barack Obama is closely matched against four leading GOP candidates in prospective presidential election trial heats. Mitt Romney edges Obama by two percentage points among registered voters. Rick Perry and Obama are tied, but Obama has a slight lead over Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann.

news.gallup.com

Basically any of these polls should be put straight in the trash can - they only exist to make headlines.

EDIT:
Of particular note from that article:

• In August 1999, Texas Gov. George W. Bush led Vice President Al Gore by 55% to 41% in a Gallup trial heat poll. That race ended up in a virtual dead heat, with Gore ultimately winning slightly more of the national popular vote than Bush.
• In August 1995, Kansas Sen. Bob Dole was slightly ahead of President Bill Clinton in a Gallup poll, 48% to 46%. On Election Day 1996, Clinton beat Dole by eight points.
• In August 1983, President Ronald Reagan was ahead of Democrat Walter Mondale by only one point, 44% to 43%. Reagan went on to beat Mondale in a 59% to 41% landslide in the November 1984 election.
• In August 1979, incumbent President Jimmy Carter was tied with former California Gov. Reagan -- each getting 45% of the vote. Reagan ultimately defeated Carter by 10 points.

That should tell you how meaningful these are.

 

[iRONic]

Only positive affect of polls like that are to keep an issue in the forefront. They may be meaningless at this point but at least people will (hopefully) not forget about it.

 

[pmv]

Why can't we build cities like it's a video game is an interesting take.

Also Sim City is very explicitly based on the US form of city development (everything in a grid layout, for one thing). Still a bit irritated at fskimospy missing my point about that - which was not to claim that the UK approach works any better or that it doesn't have, slightly-different, huge problems of its own (much of it related to the deliberate and politically-motivated decline in public sector housing), but merely that it's not based on 'zoning' of the rigid Sim-City style as the US system is.

(On that public-sector issue, it's hard to imagine the US ever having a situation where a third of the population lived in something akin to public housing projects, as used to be the case here, till Thatcher destroyed the system for political advantage.)

Apparently, from what I just read, Germany and France do use zoning, but their system is much less rigid than the US one, allowing small industrial and commercial land use within the 'residential' areas.

Ironically, just today a leaflet came trhough my door complaining about the decision to grant permission for a large industrial development in this neighborhood and suggesting we all protest about it due to all the noise and traffic it will cause. It's just far enough away from me that I don't care, though.

 

[MrSquished]

Why can't we build cities like it's a video game is an interesting take.

There is no bar low enough for the intellect of the right. I've played SimCity and enjoyed it. WTF that has to do with the situation we have on the ground here is something I thought only someone in elementary school might think was smart.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Also Sim City is very explicitly based on the US form of city development (everything in a grid layout, for one thing). Still a bit irritated at fskimospy missing my point about that - which was not to claim that the UK approach works any better or that it doesn't have, slightly-different, huge problems of its own (much of it related to the deliberate and politically-motivated decline in public sector housing), but merely that it's not based on 'zoning' of the rigid Sim-City style as the US system is.

(On that public-sector issue, it's hard to imagine the US ever having a situation where a third of the population lived in something akin to public housing projects, as used to be the case here, till Thatcher destroyed the system for political advantage.)

Apparently, from what I just read, Germany and France do use zoning, but their system is much less rigid than the US one, allowing small industrial and commercial land use within the 'residential' areas.

Ironically, just today a leaflet came trhough my door complaining about the decision to grant permission for a large industrial development in this neighborhood and suggesting we all protest about it due to all the noise and traffic it will cause. It's just far enough away from me that I don't care, though.

I used the Sim City example to make it easier to conceptualize the reasons for proper zoning (at least in the US).

Eventually the market takes over because the bottom line for everyone is to make money. The old adage "location, location, location" holds true now just like it always has. Locations are rezoned from single family to multifamily. Sometimes you can have both next to each other as you have sprawling apartment complexes built near major, high traveled roads that happens to be one street away from older homes. They are also near conveniences like strip malls, Wal Marts, etc.

Building properties is always based on need. If people want relative peace and quiet you build SFRs away from hustle and bustle. If you want an affordable place near your job, you move to a beehive complex. If you want a nice place to live with a veiw and everything within walking distance, you move to a pricey downtown condo building.

Location, location, location.

As far as building industrial development near SFRs (single family residences), that usually always has a very negative impact on nearby property values depending on the use. A factory might not be as bad as a chemical processing plant but both are likely to be eyesores and might have emissions that make matters worse over time. Sell.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I used the Sim City example to make it easier to conceptualize the reasons for proper zoning (at least in the US).

Eventually the market takes over because the bottom line for everyone is to make money. The old adage "location, location, location" holds true now just like it always has. Locations are rezoned from single family to multifamily. Sometimes you can have both next two each other as you have large apartment complexes built near major, high traveled roads that happens to be one street away from older homes. They are also near conveniences like strip malls, Wal Marts, etc.

Building properties is always based on need. If people want relative peace and quiet you build SFRs away from hustle and bustle. If you want an affordable place near your job, you move to a beehive complex. If you want a nice place to live with a veiw and everything within walking distance, you move to a pricey downtown condo building.

Location, location, location.

As far as building industrial development near SFRs (single family residences), that usually always has a very negative impact on nearby property values depending on the use. A factory might not be as bad as a chemical processing plant but both are likely to be eyesores and might have emissions that make matters worse over time. Sell.

Maybe we should have some agency that protects the environment so that businesses and residences can coexist? What a novel idea!

 

[mindless1]

No, not biden, nor anyone else who tries to blow smoke up my arse about unicorn BS.

That does not mean I wouldn't vote democrat, it's hard to generalize that given the piss poor choices we've had.
One thing is for sure, that I'd rather attack people than devolve into a socialist society.

Stupid doesn't work. If we want to be a strong nation, people have to aspire to earn rather than hope to find an angle to be a leech. We can't keep giving people that "out".

I have seen far, far, too much of the latter, people trying to find some angle to tune out and get legal drugs. It's sad.

I know there are some who are overwhelmed by the situation, so they just default to some nonsense that their favorite hero stated, but in the end, the prosperity of the country depends on real, live, workers, not internet BS.

 

[ivwshane]

Is there a righty on this forum who is capable of not projecting every time they post?


Also, I love how taking care of a country’s citizens makes it weak. That’s some mindless logic right there. I’m sure if we look at the countries with the weakest safety nets for its citizens we’ll find the greatest countries on the globe./eye roll

 

[alien42]

No, not biden, nor anyone else who tries to blow smoke up my arse about unicorn BS.

That does not mean I wouldn't vote democrat, it's hard to generalize that given the piss poor choices we've had.
One thing is for sure, that I'd rather attack people than devolve into a socialist society.

Stupid doesn't work. If we want to be a strong nation, people have to aspire to earn rather than hope to find an angle to be a leech. We can't keep giving people that "out".

I have seen far, far, too much of the latter, people trying to find some angle to tune out and get legal drugs. It's sad.

I know there are some who are overwhelmed by the situation, so they just default to some nonsense that their favorite hero stated, but in the end, the prosperity of the country depends on real, live, workers, not internet BS.

Wow, that's a lot of BS spewed in a single post.

The unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in over half a century. I hope you realize how that simple fact exposes your complete disconnect from reality.

 

[brycejones]

No, not biden, nor anyone else who tries to blow smoke up my arse about unicorn BS.

That does not mean I wouldn't vote democrat, it's hard to generalize that given the piss poor choices we've had.
One thing is for sure, that I'd rather attack people than devolve into a socialist society.

Stupid doesn't work. If we want to be a strong nation, people have to aspire to earn rather than hope to find an angle to be a leech. We can't keep giving people that "out".

I have seen far, far, too much of the latter, people trying to find some angle to tune out and get legal drugs. It's sad.

I know there are some who are overwhelmed by the situation, so they just default to some nonsense that their favorite hero stated, but in the end, the prosperity of the country depends on real, live, workers, not internet BS.

User name checks out. I assume it was illegal drugs you were on when making this mess of a post?

 

[pmv]

As far as building industrial development near SFRs (single family residences), that usually always has a very negative impact on nearby property values depending on the use. A factory might not be as bad as a chemical processing plant but both are likely to be eyesores and might have emissions that make matters worse over time. Sell.

It really is a fair distance away from me, so I doubt it will affect me. I think the folk distributing the protest leaflet were including slightly too large an area.

But I have to say if I lived in the streets adjoining it I'd be very unhappy. It seems to me that when it comes to new developments, different classes of people carry different weights if they object. Namely the objections of wealthy and middle-class people get taken much more seriously.

 

[sportage]

I wouldn't worry about Trump. If he gets too close to the Whitehouse I would bet he would be stopped dead in his tracks by one of the many investigations surrounding him. There are plenty of powerful people out there who realize the real danger Trump poses, and I have no doubts a plan exists to stop the Donald "if" he does get too close to becoming president. Hell, even Julius Caesar was stabbed to death by his own senate. I would expect even Mitch McConnell more than willing to take Julius Trump out once and for all "if" Trump come too close to the presidency.

If Donald Trump were ever to get that close, I think you'd see a lot of strange things and a lot of not so strange things happening to stop Trump. There are powerful people of great wisdom who know a second Donald Trump simply can not be allowed to happen including powerful people that pretend to be all in for Trump. His best friends.

 

[mindless1]

Wow, that's a lot of BS spewed in a single post.

The unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in over half a century. I hope you realize how that simple fact exposes your complete disconnect from reality.

Unemployment rate? "Simple fact"? lol, you apparently have no idea how that is calculated, how irrelevant it was, and even more so covid-era and now, and really, it's shocking that someone so ignorant would take your attitude, like it's a spasmatic seizure or something.

Are you deliberately trolling or just that ignorant? Has to be both.

Regarding what sportage wrote, I agree that we shouldn't worry about Trump. We should instead worry about the very large percentage of americans who elected that idiot despite his shortcomings, because even with those severe shortcomings, he was STILL more right than wrong, to align with the citizens.

Ponder that. The american public despises the liberal agenda so much that they'd elect a monkey, or a cardboard box, anything but that. Trump is not the enemy, he's just a great example that a completely unfit person can get into office by just opposing what the majority of americans don't want. He was only defeated because of his personal flaws and we all know that. If he had better character, he would have won the last election by a landslide because it would have been about the issues instead of his character.

Joe, he's done. If you can clone him then that's the only way to put someone that old back into office, or give him a liberal supply of cocaine and let him do his best till the candle burns out.

 

[brycejones]

Unemployment rate? lol, you apparently have no idea how that is calculated, how irrelevant it is to covid-era and now, and really, it's shocking that someone so ignorant would take your attitude, like it's a spasmatic seizure or something.

Are you deliberately trolling or just that ignorant? Has to be both.

Oh please do go on. Tell us specifically how he is wrong and you are right.

 

[ivwshane]

Unemployment rate? lol, you apparently have no idea how that is calculated, how irrelevant it is to covid-era and now, and really, it's shocking that someone so ignorant would take your attitude, like it's a spasmatic seizure or something.

Are you deliberately trolling or just that ignorant? Has to be both.

Stop projecting. We get it, you are a fucking moron. No need to tell us in every post.

 

[ivwshane]

Biden continues to surprise me.

 

[Paratus]

Unemployment rate? lol, you apparently have no idea how that is calculated, how irrelevant it is to covid-era and now, and really, it's shocking that someone so ignorant would take your attitude, like it's a spasmatic seizure or something.

Are you deliberately trolling or just that ignorant? Has to be both.

Lol. I’ve yet to see you be knowledgeable on a single topic in P&N. I see no reason to think you are on this one either.

 

[mindless1]

Stop projecting. We get it, you are a fucking moron. No need to tell us in every post.

No rebuttal means failed troll.

 

[mindless1]

Lol. I’ve yet to see you be knowledgeable on a single topic in P&N. I see no reason to think you are on this one either.

Another ignorant troll with no rebuttal.

This is what libtards do, try to attack people because they are weak and feel like they have special psychological whammy powers. Which they do not, lol.

Fortunately this is an issue of the power of ONE, that you get one vote, as do I, and the rest of the public. I fully support majority decision instead of trolls.

At the same time, you damn well know that the only reason Trump lost the last election (with it being so close) was he has a deplorable personality... as Hillary would put it, lol. I support that, it is the reason why Trump should no longer be president.

Would you seriously deny that? If you do then I know you're smoking crack. I don't support Trump, but I do support a lot of the same things that the majority of citizens voted to elect him for, even despite his shortcomings.

Trying to insult me doesn't change that. You tried, and failed, and I'm sure you'll try again, which is a sign of desperation instead of accepting reality.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol!

 

[Paratus]

Another ignorant troll with no rebuttal.

This is what libtards do, try to attack people because they are weak and feel like they have special psychological whammy powers. Which they do not, lol.

Fortunately this is an issue of the power of ONE, that you get one vote, as do I, and the rest of the public. I fully support majority decision instead of trolls.

At the same time, you damn well know that the only reason Trump lost the last election (with it being so close) was he has a deplorable personality... as Hillary would put it, lol.

Would you seriously deny that? If you do then I know you're smoking crack.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Come back when you can make a cogent supportable argument.

 

[mindless1]

^ Another failed attempt at trolling. Grow up?

This might have been cute when you were 14 years old. Not so much, growing up past that.

This is a great example, tards who have no argument so personal attacks. I've stated as much several times and they just keep proving me right. They keep doing the very, indefensible, thing I predict, but are too stupid to recognize it.

Thank you for the validation. I predicted it, you did it, and wow, can't fix stupid.

 

[MrSquished]

^ Another failed attempt at trolling. Grow up?

This might have been cute when you were 14 years old. Not so much, growing up past that.

This is a great example, tards who have no argument so personal attacks. I've stated as much several time and they just keep proving me right.

Thank you for the validation. I predicated it, you did it, and wow, can't fix stupid.

Oh I've had a few conversations with you and it became pretty clear pretty quickly you are immune to facts backed up with data and links and you are as nuts and horrible as all the willfully ignorant conservatives that feed on hate and nothing in reality.

You are a horrible person so there's no point in engaging with you because I've tried and I've seen people try and it's pointless. When people like you only thrive on lies and willful ignorance I just prefer to call you what you are. Shit people.

 

[ivwshane]

Oh man, sounds like a snowflake has been triggered!