How do we feel about papa joe this far into his presidency, would you vote for him in reelection?

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FelixDeCat

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Pohemi

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As we inch closer and closer to a basic income, theres this:
Biden Admin Quietly Allowing Medicaid Funds To Cover Rent, Air Conditioning, Cooking Classes (msn.com) [The Daily Caller]
It wouldn't be a bad thing to allow in order to "fill in the cracks" where people can't get help through existing programs from HUD, SNAP, energy assistance, etc.
But I have to agree with the statement that there are indeed existing programs to provide these services to low-income people. I've been on disability myself for the past 15 years, and I've been through the hoops (and occasionally the wringer). Disclaimer: Programs are not the same in every state however, and some states will have more gaps in assistance.

Housing is the biggest bitch for me because I'm a middle age single male with no dependents. I've been on waiting lists elsewhere for years but I'm continually the bottom of the list due to said descriptors. If I had other avenues for affordable housing, I'd be trying.
How about "how to get a job" classes?
You obviously meant this facetiously, but many cities DO have job centers, where you can do exactly that.
They'll have workshops and classes to learn new skills, job faires every month or two where numerous employers might attend and do live interviews and hiring, and computers with net for people to use for job hunting.
Many times they're located together with the Dept. of Vocational Rehabilitation, and services and help will often cross over from that agency.

The more you know :shootingstar:
 
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ch33zw1z

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It wouldn't be a bad thing to allow in order to "fill in the cracks" where people can't get help through existing programs from HUD, SNAP, energy assistance, etc.
But I have to agree with the statement that there are indeed existing programs to provide these services to low-income people. I'm on disability myself, and I've been through the hoops.

Disclaimer: Programs are not the same in every state however, and some states will have more gaps in assistance than we do here.

Housing is the biggest bitch for me because I'm a middle age single male with no dependents. I've been on waiting lists elsewhere for years but I'm continually the bottom of the list due to said descriptors. If I had other avenues for affordable housing, I'd be trying.

As America continues to fail it's citizens and focus on the well being of corporations, something will need to change. "get a job" is basically admitting you have no idea what you're talking about.

Affordable housing should be top priority for all states. Unfortunately, there's a culture war being waged on Americans.
 

Pohemi

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Affordable housing should be top priority for all states. Unfortunately, there's a culture war being waged on Americans.
It's class warfare to be sure, and it seems to get harder each year for the people most in need of help.

The rich elites just keep "the lowlies" distracted by dividing them with cultural and social wedges. And they have a good chunk of the poor still backing them, because they're either too ignorant to notice being stepped on just as hard, or they simply don't care because it's also hurting people they hate for reasons.
 

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It's class warfare to be sure, and it seems to get harder each year for the people most in need of help.

The rich elites just keep "the lowlies" distracted by dividing them with cultural and social wedges. And they have a good chunk of the poor still backing them, because they're either too ignorant to notice being stepped on just as hard, or they simply don't care because it's also hurting people they hate for reasons.
Screw affordable housing. We need to send a few hundred more billion to the Ukraine so we can blow up another underwater pipeline and keep defense contractors in business.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Screw affordable housing. We need to send a few hundred more billion to the Ukraine so we can blow up another underwater pipeline and keep defense contractors in business.

translated to reality “imma vote for the party who not only won’t ever touch the affordable housing issue, they’re also gonna make sure that healthcare access and drug prices pillage your wallet for every last penny, me Brandon, me smort ”
 
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FelixDeCat

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Screw affordable housing. We need to send a few hundred more billion to the Ukraine so we can blow up another underwater pipeline and keep defense contractors in business.

We cant afford "affordable" housing because democrats and republicans both have conflicting ideas on how to get it done. The first step is get rid of tax favored 1-4 family real estate investing and purchases of single family homes by hedge funds and corporations.
 

eelw

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With Biden’s last annual medical exam in his term and getting a clean bill of health, it’s amazing how stupid the media is by asking if he did a cognitive test. The orange monkey got a test that’s only given if one is suspected in early signs of dementia. A Person, woman, man, camera, tv test is not in the normal suite of tests performed on a POTUS. But yet the orange monkey proudly proclaims acing it.
 

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With Biden’s last annual medical exam in his term and getting a clean bill of health, it’s amazing how stupid the media is by asking if he did a cognitive test. The orange monkey got a test that’s only given if one is suspected in early signs of dementia. A Person, woman, man, camera, tv test is not in the normal suite of tests performed on a POTUS. But yet the orange monkey proudly proclaims acing it.

His pride at passing that "test" was bizarre, but at the same time par-for-the-course for Trump.

I heard that in this country a standard test for dementia is to ask who the current Prime Minister is - I do wonder if they asked Thatcher that when she started to develop the condition. Plus I'm not sure one could take it as definitive if someone lost track these days - it's been hard to keep up.
 
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nOOky

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We used to call this welfare. Oh wait, we still do. In an age where there are 3 jobs for every person people still collect it.

Cooking classes? Oh my.

How about "how to get a job" classes?

Read this, and understand while old white men are grumpy, and need their wives to work full time jobs also just to get by.

 

Ajay

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Read this, and understand while old white men are grumpy, and need their wives to work full time jobs also just to get by.

Yeah, there have been huge productivity gains over the past 40 years, and most of it was siphoned off by the wealthy. [not bothering to look up numerical productivity gains atm]

I don't like some of the wording here though:
"At every income level up to the 90th percentile, wage earners are now being paid a fraction of what they would have had inequality held constant. For example, at the median individual income of $36,000, workers are being shortchanged by $21,000 a year—$28,000 when using the CPI—an amount equivalent to an additional $10.10 to $13.50 an hour. But according to Price and Edwards, this actually understates the impact of rising inequality on low- and middle-income workers, because much of the gains at the bottom of the distribution were largely “driven by an increase in hours not an increase in wages.” To adjust for this, along with changing patterns of workforce participation, the researchers repeat their analysis for full-year, full-time, prime-aged workers (age 25 to 54). These results are even more stark: “Unlike the growth patterns in the 1950s and 60s,” write Price and Edwards, “the majority of full-time workers did not share in the economic growth of the last forty years.” "

WRT to inequality, there will of course be some sort of normal distribution of wages in any economy; that isn't necessarily an inequality. Inequality is when the wage disparity diverges from some preset norm - as has happened over the past 40 years. IMHO.

That said - give us our money back (fat chance, I know).
 

nOOky

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Yeah, there have been huge productivity gains over the past 40 years, and most of it was siphoned off by the wealthy. [not bothering to look up numerical productivity gains atm]

I don't like some of the wording here though:
"At every income level up to the 90th percentile, wage earners are now being paid a fraction of what they would have had inequality held constant. For example, at the median individual income of $36,000, workers are being shortchanged by $21,000 a year—$28,000 when using the CPI—an amount equivalent to an additional $10.10 to $13.50 an hour. But according to Price and Edwards, this actually understates the impact of rising inequality on low- and middle-income workers, because much of the gains at the bottom of the distribution were largely “driven by an increase in hours not an increase in wages.” To adjust for this, along with changing patterns of workforce participation, the researchers repeat their analysis for full-year, full-time, prime-aged workers (age 25 to 54). These results are even more stark: “Unlike the growth patterns in the 1950s and 60s,” write Price and Edwards, “the majority of full-time workers did not share in the economic growth of the last forty years.” "

WRT to inequality, there will of course be some sort of normal distribution of wages in any economy; that isn't necessarily an inequality. Inequality is when the wage disparity diverges from some preset norm - as has happened over the past 40 years. IMHO.

That said - give us our money back (fat chance, I know).

Dammit don't you know that would be socialism?!
 
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emperus

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Biden just got a clean bill of health. Here is evidence of this:




Im convinced!

Those are a lot of stairs. A lot of this stuff is stupid. I've slipped going up stairs as well.

He is old, and I would prefer a younger president, but if he did run again, I'd support him. His administration had been more than competent and that's all I expect from a President.
 

ch33zw1z

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who can forget trump going down the ramp at west point

yep, just classic old person stuff. Falling is no joke for the older crowd, trump included.


I recall blackangsts deep concern of the health of trump. Always weighing in at a slim 239lbs, just 1lb shy of clinically obese
 
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blackangst1

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who can forget trump going down the ramp at west point
That was funny too!

Look...Biden is probably fine, he just cant walk right. He forgets where the exit to stages are after speeches, he wanders around during speeches, and he cant walk up stairs. Its just funny. He needs a +50 DEX jacket!
 
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