How do we feel about papa joe this far into his presidency, would you vote for him in reelection?

[MrSquished]

Biden has done a good job when you think of what he's had to work with. However he should not run again and he also has been terrible with letting Republicans control messaging. We need a presidential candidate that's going to start calling these evil people out because what we have currently is not working.

 

[blackangst1]

Felix wants Joe at the border fence himself, ready to shoot brown people trying to cross. He'll approve of nothing less.

Also, Felix would like you to understand that homelessness and border security and immigration are all the same thing, and therefore Biden's "bad" border policy has created the homeless crisis.

I mean even if he's just braying lies...those are some pretty stupid lies. Dishonest, of course. But also a fucking moron either way.

Thats not what he said.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Politics is America's cancer, and it's 'truth-resistant'

The framers of the U.S. Constitution knew about political cancer, having lived under a monarchy their entire lives.

www.desmoinesregister.com

This specific strain of Trump cancer which has metastasized is “truth-resistant.” The concept of truth no longer exists to many Trump supporters. Even before Trump’s adviser Kelly Ann Conway introduced the term “alternative facts,” the Trump cancer found millions of Americans supporting the thousands of lies Trump has told before and during his time in the White House. Many media outlets agree that Trump has told well over 12,000 lies. The Trump tumor is getting so large it is overtaking our democracy while crushing the principles that unite us.

That article needs to be widely circulated.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I love idiots that think that a government solution is easy to implement while at the same time supporting a party that has purposefully hindered meaningful legislation on 99% of the issues we face AND NOT ONCE have they ever even criticized their party for not only doing nothing but getting in the way but also for not even bringing solutions to the table.

You are either brainwashed or one dumb mother fucker Felix.

Yeah, Im not seeing where I said a government solution is easy to implement. But if you have any solution yourself, then feel free to mention it.

 

[FelixDeCat]

This is a common misconception - Houston has tons of barriers to construction. Tons of them.

The research is very clear. The primary cause of homelessness by far is housing unaffordability. Want to fix homelessness? End all housing construction restrictions.

Its not that easy. You cant zone housing next to an industrial waste plant and not expect repercussions in the future either from sickened homeowners to other types of drawbacks. You also cant have a single family housing development in the middle of a downtown area as it is impracticable to have a your home adjacent to a 90 story high rise and the infrastructure can be optimized for one or the other type of development.

In the Las Vegas example, the city's problem was that the land purchased for the tiny homes was designated residential but for only 1 home of minimum size requirements. The homes they built were about the size of a ping pong table and were considered multifamily as they stood side by side on the same parcel. This is where we could see an improvement, and Las Vegas is facing mandatory changes to its zoning laws. The homeless advocate who bought the land and built the homes was taking action before the zoning law was updated. So in the end, the definition of an approved residential use could be update without removing common sense restrictions as previously mentioned.

Even the local police were in favor of the adocates solution and no nearby homeowner complained. It was someone on the city ordinance enforcement team who reported them.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Thats not what he said.

Thanks blackangst for being reasonable even though we disagree on many things. Pohemi is exaggerating to make some sort of point while missing the real conversion that is happening.

 

[FelixDeCat]

He’s right about the need to help with homelessness but the primary causes are state and local, not federal. Biden’s ability to help with this issue is very limited.

I think if a city or state has a reasonable, affordable solution, Biden could propose to partially fund it and maybe the Congress could agree in the next budget. Of course the money would have to come from somewhere as I've strenuously said we should not borrow and spend money.

This also brings me back to my first post in that the federal government is spending millions renting hotels for migrants when we had a solution in place already - apply for asylum in Mexico. Instead we allowed unfettered migration and now have yet more problems to solve.

We are probably not going to see eye to eye on the migrant issue.

 

[feralkid]

I love idiots that think that a government solution is easy to implement while at the same time supporting a party that has purposefully hindered meaningful legislation on 99% of the issues we face AND NOT ONCE have they ever even criticized their party for not only doing nothing but getting in the way but also for not even bringing solutions to the table.

You are either brainwashed or one dumb mother fucker Felix.

That's totally unfair; you completely overlooked the likelihood of him being both.

 

[blackangst1]

Politics is America's cancer, and it's 'truth-resistant'

The framers of the U.S. Constitution knew about political cancer, having lived under a monarchy their entire lives.

www.desmoinesregister.com

That article needs to be widely circulated.

True, but not relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[ivwshane]

WUT

Border policies have nothing to do with Biden policies?

PASS THE PIPE BRO!

It’s this another thread where you want to look like an idiot or would you like to concede right now that you too also have no clue how our government works?

 

[blackangst1]

It’s this another thread where you want to look like an idiot or would you like to concede right now that you too also have no clue how our government works?

WTF are you talking about?

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah, Im not seeing where I said a government solution is easy to implement. But if you have any solution yourself, then feel free to mention it.

I took your post to its logical conclusion. You want Biden to do something and it’s not in his power to do so. So either you think there is an easy solution or you don’t understand how government works. Which is it?

 

[ivwshane]

WTF are you talking about?

I’m responding to your post, so wtf are you talking about? Are you so high that you don’t even remember what you wrote, despite me quoting it?

 

[MrSquished]

@fskimospy - you really are quite extreme with some of your views. Not enough housing, eliminate ALL zoning rules. Public Unions have some issues, eliminate ALL Public Unions.

I think you need to get yourself a finer brush to paint with.

 

[fskimospy]

@fskimospy - you really are quite extreme with some of your views. Not enough housing, eliminate ALL zoning rules. Public Unions have some issues, eliminate ALL Public Unions.

I think you need to get yourself a finer brush to paint with.

Or maybe I’m right?

 

[MrSquished]

Or maybe I’m right?

Nope. Your pure black & white views on these very complex and nuanced problems are completely wrong.

 

[fskimospy]

I think if a city or state has a reasonable, affordable solution, Biden could propose to partially fund it and maybe the Congress could agree in the next budget. Of course the money would have to come from somewhere as I've strenuously said we should not borrow and spend money.

This also brings me back to my first post in that the federal government is spending millions renting hotels for migrants when we had a solution in place already - apply for asylum in Mexico. Instead we allowed unfettered migration and now have yet more problems to solve.

We are probably not going to see eye to eye on the migrant issue.

I think we can meet eye to eye here - I want deregulation, a conservative value.

 

[fskimospy]

Nope. Your pure black & white views on these very complex and nuanced problems are completely wrong.

Ah crap.

 

[igor_kavinski]

@fskimospy - you really are quite extreme with some of your views.

Most effective managers are like that. See a problem? Attack it so hard that the problem creators regret ever creating the problem in the first place. Leads to the underlings being more cautious, to not displease the manager and curb more of their freedoms. It's extreme but it works.

There's a saying I heard, "You can't negotiate with people who are used to getting kicked around". If such people sense that they suddenly have power, they will make you sorry that you gave it to them. Sometimes being nice and fair backfires spectacularly. That's what dumb humans do. Instead of showing appreciation, they push their luck.

 

[pmv]

Nope. Your pure black & white views on these very complex and nuanced problems are completely wrong.

I think he is definitely wrong on the union issue. He's just extrapolating from a limited perspective of, presumably, poor experiences.

Seems like much the same attitude that produced Thatcher's assault on Trade Unions (and it's very clear that abuses did happen, pre-Thatcher, and not at all just in the public sector - I knew people who worked in Fleet Street, and it was astonishing what those unions got away with, even the very-left-wing people I knew were kind of amazed at what went on...the point being it happens in any industry that is not facing severe competition).

But the subsequent loss of union power has produced worse problems than it solved, and if the current government now finishes off the last remnants of union power (concentrated in the state sector or the remaining strategic industries like rail) things will just get even worse. Police unions though are just a terrible idea, and I don't think many other countries even have them in the form they take in the US.

I have no idea about 'zoning', though, we don't even have it over here, instead there's just a rag-tag of local 'planning regulations', that have never been framed in terms of 'zones'.

And those development regulations seem to keep getting alternatively expanded and rolled-back, almost always by the Conservatives, who can't seem to make up their minds what they think about the concept, as that party represents both the NIMBYs and the small business class and landowners who dislike planning constraints.

 

[MrSquished]

I think he is definitely wrong on the union issue. He's just extrapolating from a limited perspective of, presumably, poor experiences.

Seems like much the same attitude that produced Thatcher's assault on Trade Unions (and it's very clear that abuses did happen, pre-Thatcher, and not at all just in the public sector - I knew people who worked in Fleet Street, and it was astonishing what those unions got away with, even the very-left-wing people I knew were kind of amazed at what went on...the point being it happens in any industry that is not facing severe competition).

But the subsequent loss of union power has produced worse problems than it solved, and if the current government now finishes off the last remnants of union power (concentrated in the state sector or the remaining strategic industries like rail) things will just get even worse. Police unions though are just a terrible idea, and I don't think many other countries even have them in the form they take in the US.

I have no idea about 'zoning', though, we don't even have it over here, instead there's just a rag-tag of local 'planning regulations', that have never been framed in terms of 'zones'.

And those development regulations seem to keep getting alternatively expanded and rolled-back, almost always by the Conservatives, who can't seem to make up their minds what they think about the concept, as that party represents both the NIMBYs and the small business class and landowners who dislike planning constraints.

It's like saying our military spending is outrageous, and then be like, well STOP IT ALL! We all know that is dumb, the military budget and need for x amount of military power is a complex issue. Housing is a major issue, and quite complex, and I've always stood by we need to loosen zoning laws on housing quite a bit, but to just eliminate all zoning, that's just silly talk.

 

[Pohemi]

Thats not what he said.

Thanks blackangst for being reasonable even though we disagree on many things. Pohemi is exaggerating to make some sort of point while missing the real conversion that is happening.

LOL. You're both idiots.

The discussion was about housing and homelessness. Then FDC segued into border security and immigration for no fucking reason. So yes, he did say that...just not word for word. And it wasn't in quotes, so it was obviously paraphrasing. Any more complaints to make in defense of the other clown?

It's unfortunate that FDC can't make more posts like #405 without the ranting and frothing at the mouth about Biden border border Biden border border border...

 

[fskimospy]

It's like saying our military spending is outrageous, and then be like, well STOP IT ALL! We all know that is dumb, the military budget and need for x amount of military power is a complex issue. Housing is a major issue, and quite complex, and I've always stood by we need to loosen zoning laws on housing quite a bit, but to just eliminate all zoning, that's just silly talk.

Why is it silly talk, specifically?

 

[fskimospy]

I think he is definitely wrong on the union issue. He's just extrapolating from a limited perspective of, presumably, poor experiences.

Seems like much the same attitude that produced Thatcher's assault on Trade Unions (and it's very clear that abuses did happen, pre-Thatcher, and not at all just in the public sector - I knew people who worked in Fleet Street, and it was astonishing what those unions got away with, even the very-left-wing people I knew were kind of amazed at what went on...the point being it happens in any industry that is not facing severe competition).

But the subsequent loss of union power has produced worse problems than it solved, and if the current government now finishes off the last remnants of union power (concentrated in the state sector or the remaining strategic industries like rail) things will just get even worse. Police unions though are just a terrible idea, and I don't think many other countries even have them in the form they take in the US.

I have no idea about 'zoning', though, we don't even have it over here, instead there's just a rag-tag of local 'planning regulations', that have never been framed in terms of 'zones'.

And those development regulations seem to keep getting alternatively expanded and rolled-back, almost always by the Conservatives, who can't seem to make up their minds what they think about the concept, as that party represents both the NIMBYs and the small business class and landowners who dislike planning constraints.

Maybe my perspective is based on limited experience but then my question would be what your perspective is based on.

 

[blackangst1]

LOL. You're both idiots.

The discussion was about housing and homelessness. Then FDC segued into border security and immigration for no fucking reason. So yes, he did say that...just not word for word. And it wasn't in quotes, so it was obviously paraphrasing. Any more complaints to make in defense of the other clown?

It's unfortunate that FDC can't make more posts like #405 without the ranting and frothing at the mouth about Biden border border Biden border border border...

Thanks for being specific. I didnt make that point, but thanks.