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How did Apple succeed in Tablets (ie: iPad) when everyone else failed miserably?

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zerocool84 said:
lol

You obviously haven't seen any other tablets or kept up on tablets news.
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Please provide links to shipping Honeycomb tablets at $499 or less with a 10" display, 10 hour battery life, weight of 1.33 lbs. or less, dual-core CPU and comparable GPU?

Honest question, as I said earlier I've been looking for an Android alternative and haven't found one yet. (I don't own a tablet yet.)
 
Kaido said:
People kept going back to the iPad
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Yep, I was at the local Verizon store here in Santa Monica, tons of foot traffic when I picke up my thunderbolt one day and got some accessories a couple of days later.

A gen 1 iPad, a XOOM and a Galaxy Tab were all on display within 10 feet of each other.

Each day, people lined up to try the gen 1 iPad, no one but me ever touched the XOOM.

And honestly, a big reason is the apps, check out this one for instance:

http://www.rockprodigy.com/

Play the video and tell me you don't want an iPhone or an ipad to try that out, that's one of the coolest things I've seen a computer do ever.

I'm likely going to buy a guitar and that app.
 
GodlessAstronomer said:
I honestly don't know crap about financials, business, etc. I'm a tech guy. But damn, if that video is to be believed, that's actually kind of scary. No company should get that big.
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What you're not factoring in is that Apple owns everything, they build their own stuff, own the os, own the app store, etc... And they build good shit, the quality control is very good, and the products are compelling.

They've made brilliant business moves.

I kid you not, I used to hate Apple, I laughed at Apple owners in their face, then I got a gen 1 iPhone, and it's all been downhill from there.

The fanboys here could have taken lessons from me, my generation lived for the newest story about Apple VS Microsoft in court in the 80's and 90's. I flipping wanted to burn down Apple's campus. Do you have any idea how hard it was for me to admit that they made a decent product, much less something I'd spend money on?

And honestly, the best thing about Apple is their stock.
 
Pliablemoose said:
What you're not factoring in is that Apple owns everything, they build their own stuff, own the os, own the app store, etc... And they build good shit, the quality control is very good, and the products are compelling.

They've made brilliant business moves.

I kid you not, I used to hate Apple, I laughed at Apple owners in their face, then I got a gen 1 iPhone, and it's all been downhill from there.

The fanboys here could have taken lessons from me, my generation lived for the newest story about Apple VS Microsoft in court in the 80's and 90's. I flipping wanted to burn down Apple's campus. Do you have any idea how hard it was for me to admit that they made a decent product, much less something I'd spend money on?

And honestly, the best thing about Apple is their stock.
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I think their build quality has taken a step back in recent years. My wife's 2009 MacBook Air is solid as a rock. No flex, no creaking. However, in Apple's quest to be thinner and lighter, the bottom panel on my 2010 MacBook Air flexes (you can easily push the aluminum panel and it gives quite a bit) and the chassis creaks like hell (especially right under the right side where your palm rests). When the machine is warm, it's not that much of a factor, but when it's cold, it squeaks/creaks like crazy when you handle it.

And let's not forgot the iPhone 4 with its rear glass that scratches just when you look at it. Or antenngate, or the security problems, etc. Or my wife's iPhone 3GS rear casing which develops cracks near the 30-pin dock connector right around the screws.

Don't get me wrong, I love Apple, but they're not nearly as infalible as people would have you believe.
 
Pliablemoose said:
What you're not factoring in is that Apple owns everything, they build their own stuff, own the os, own the app store, etc... And they build good shit, the quality control is very good, and the products are compelling.

They've made brilliant business moves.

I kid you not, I used to hate Apple, I laughed at Apple owners in their face, then I got a gen 1 iPhone, and it's all been downhill from there.

The fanboys here could have taken lessons from me, my generation lived for the newest story about Apple VS Microsoft in court in the 80's and 90's. I flipping wanted to burn down Apple's campus. Do you have any idea how hard it was for me to admit that they made a decent product, much less something I'd spend money on?

And honestly, the best thing about Apple is their stock.
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Why do you say I'm "not factoring in" those things? I'm skeptical of the video only because i'm skeptical of any "financial guru" who goes against the grain, but I certainly know that Apple is in a powerful (scary) position right now.

I still strongly dislike Apple, even though I have bought a couple of their products. I owned an iPod touch 32gb which I think is a highly overrated device (the Zune player on my Windows Phone 7 phone is way nicer). I currently own a 2011 Macbook Pro which is easily the nicest laptop I have used.

Apple is doing a lot right, but that doesn't mean I don't think they're a piece of shit company. Some of the bullshit they have been pulling lately with their developers pisses me off and their hardcore fans are nearly as annoying as hardcore fandroids (nearly).
 
Pliablemoose said:
What you're not factoring in is that Apple owns everything, they build their own stuff, own the os, own the app store, etc... And they build good shit, the quality control is very good, and the products are compelling.

They've made brilliant business moves.

I kid you not, I used to hate Apple, I laughed at Apple owners in their face, then I got a gen 1 iPhone, and it's all been downhill from there.

The fanboys here could have taken lessons from me, my generation lived for the newest story about Apple VS Microsoft in court in the 80's and 90's. I flipping wanted to burn down Apple's campus. Do you have any idea how hard it was for me to admit that they made a decent product, much less something I'd spend money on?

And honestly, the best thing about Apple is their stock.
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they don't build their own stuff. at least i'm fairly sure they don't own foxconn.

re: the ipad. imho they made it simple. i personally can't get into using one, i just can't find a place for it with what i do, but i will admit it's a simply genius gadget. i ended up giving mine to my wife, who loves the thing.
 
TanisHalfElven said:
heck some competitors cost more... i'm looking at you xoom.

Ipad is a just a really polished device. Same as the iphone. btw, i use an android phone, so i'm not an apple fan boy.
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I think there are a lot of us Android guys that will freely admit that the iPad is dominating and for good reason.

But there are also a lot of Android fanboys that refuse to admit reality or have some weird hatred of all things Apple. Either way, they are ignorant.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
The anti-Apple voices today are, to me, ten times more annoying than the Apple fanboys I used to resent. The idea that the iPad could possibly be "overpriced" when every other manufacturer has struggled to match its price point with tablets that are smaller and less full-featured is just comical to me. If you don't embrace the whole idea of a tablet, fine, but it's clear the market as a whole does, and the iPad has absolutely set the standard for tablets.

Does Apple's marketing acumen create an advantage? Definitely. But so do their state-of-the-art battery technology, their remarkable design and manufacturing standards, and their class-leading ergonomics and user interface. I don't have a problem with people critiquing Apple, but I do have a problem with anyone ignoring the reality of what they have brought to the table.
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I hope you don't think *I* am anti-Apple.
 
NFS4 said:
I think their build quality has taken a step back in recent years. My wife's 2009 MacBook Air is solid as a rock. No flex, no creaking. However, in Apple's quest to be thinner and lighter, the bottom panel on my 2010 MacBook Air flexes (you can easily push the aluminum panel and it gives quite a bit) and the chassis creaks like hell (especially right under the right side where your palm rests). When the machine is warm, it's not that much of a factor, but when it's cold, it squeaks/creaks like crazy when you handle it.

And let's not forgot the iPhone 4 with its rear glass that scratches just when you look at it. Or antenngate, or the security problems, etc. Or my wife's iPhone 3GS rear casing which develops cracks near the 30-pin dock connector right around the screws.

Don't get me wrong, I love Apple, but they're not nearly as infalible as people would have you believe.
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My second generation 2010 Macbook Air won't creak or flex even if I try to bend it forcefully.

That's just sample variation, you got a less put-together one. Or maybe they just make these $2000 ones a little better than the base config.
 
Zen0 said:
My second generation 2010 Macbook Air won't creak or flex even if I try to bend it forcefully.

That's just sample variation, you got a less put-together one. Or maybe they just make these $2000 ones a little better than the base config.
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If I need to spend a shitload more money on a computer just to get a better build then I dont want that computer. RAM and CPU and HDD have nothing to do with the case or screws.
 
shortylickens said:
If I need to spend a shitload more money on a computer just to get a better build then I dont want that computer. RAM and CPU and HDD have nothing to do with the case or screws.
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They are different model numbers to AAPL. Like a Mercedes E350 is a different model than an E550 or E63 AMG.

Who knows, maybe AAPL gets the high ends through tougher QA
 
Not sure if its been pointed out but apple sells the iPad near/at cost and has little to no middle men.
Other tablets need to make money off the hardware and have middle man to take their cut as well.
That and its apple so people think it is better no matter what.

They make most off the selling of Apps and 3g/att connection fees.
 
Zen0 said:
They are different model numbers to AAPL. Like a Mercedes E350 is a different model than an E550 or E63 AMG.

Who knows, maybe AAPL gets the high ends through tougher QA
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But the build quality is the same regardless. The only main differentiators between an E350, E550 or E63 is the engine/transmission and suspension tuning.

There is no difference in the build quality of a base MBA or a high-end MBA. The only difference is the processor, amount of RAM, and SSD which all fit on a single PCB inside the chassis.
 
Tablets failed, because they are a micro niche market (phoneless cellphone + ultra-light crippled laptop) which should not even exist.

I-pdas sell simply because there are a lot of rich apple fanboys who simply buy everything the company produces.
 
NFS4 said:
But the build quality is the same regardless. The only main differentiators between an E350, E550 or E63 is the engine/transmission and suspension tuning.

There is no difference in the build quality of a base MBA or a high-end MBA. The only difference is the processor, amount of RAM, and SSD which all fit on a single PCB inside the chassis.
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One would assume.
 
sao123 said:
Tablets failed, because they are a micro niche market (phoneless cellphone + ultra-light crippled laptop) which should not even exist.

I-pdas sell simply because there are a lot of rich apple fanboys who simply buy everything the company produces.
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E-Readers failed because they are a phoneless cellphone + ultra light not-a-laptop at all...

Oh wait.

Tablets are tablets. You seem to be incapable of understanding that they are used not for talking on the phone nor for real computing.

Do you wear boots to the beach too? Because flip-flops are crippled ultra light boots that provide no protection? 🙄
 
sao123 said:
Tablets failed, because they are a micro niche market (phoneless cellphone + ultra-light crippled laptop) which should not even exist.

I-pdas sell simply because there are a lot of rich apple fanboys who simply buy everything the company produces.
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Pretty ignorant statement. My girlfriend almost uses her iPad exclusively now. What do the majority of computer owners use their pc/laptop for? Watching videos, surfing the web, facebook, email, etc...

Great interactive educational tool for small kids, my 20 month old nephew can use an iPad but not a laptop/pc b/c of the ability to use the touchscreen.

Quick google search will find growing commercial uses for tablets, many doctors are finding them to be great tool. My friend who is a veterinarian neurologist uses a laptop to access patient records show owner's x-rays, MRIs, etc. She's planning on switching to an iPad due to form factor/convenience.

The problem I see with these types of posts are that too many people aren't creative/visionary enough to see the uses of a tool and that's something that Apple has excelled in while competitors are reactionary. MP3 players, smartphones and now tablets, all products created by someone else but none of these companies foresaw the potential/uses/markets for these products.
 
I love my android tablet. If an iPad were even close in price, I would probably love that too.

I'm a bang for buck kinda guy and it's just not there with an iPad for me. If they would have put a card reader/usb reader built into the iPad2, I'd probably go that route. For half the price, I have those features.

While the style of the device itself is certainly beautiful, I think the App Store is what pushed Apple ahead of others. Sure it is locked down, but the android marketplace is a disaster in comparison.
 
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