How can we strategically invade North Korea?

[waggy]

Originally posted by: J0hnny

Originally posted by: kmr1212

Originally posted by: yllus
No retaliatory capabilities? Seoul is going to be a smoking ruin if an attack is launched on North Korea.

We have no options, and never have. We've bribed them for years to not go down this route, fully knowing that they would anyways. No blame can really be placed on anyone by the NKers themselves. That's just international politics for ya.

Yep. 300,000-500,000 shells launched on Seoul metro.

Couldn't there be a coordinated evacuation of Seoul prior to the attack?

hahahahahah yeah that will work.


NK will never notice!


its just not possible. to many deaths would result in anything. Lil Kim wouldnt care about a blockaide. long as it does not affect him personally he wouldnt notice.

can't attack NK they would flatten SK and the world won't allow that to happen.

but should be intersting to see what happens the next few weeks? months?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
A surprise low yield nuclear strike on all of the artillery threatening seoul?

Other than that..........dunno.

nope. the batteries are buried under mountains with blast doors covering the openings. you would need a lot of precision bunker busters dropped at the same time or there will be a lot of dead south koreans

 

[archiloco]

make nice with china, ask them to go in, and if they need help we will (they will most likely refuse the help, and take over N-korea) problem solved, and minimal involvement. it's actually more beneficial for china to have N-Korea taken care of because it's so close to them.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Strategically, we could crush NK easily with the use of artillary strikes from our fleet and from S. Korea. However, that's only initially. A ground battle would be greeted with many obstacles because all of the roads & bridges in NK have built-in road blocks designed to stop APCs and Tanks. I would also fear that NK has many tunnels and stockpiles of foodstores and supplies for the military despite how bad off the country as a whole is doing.

It would be quite a fight unless we got backing from other forces, such as the Chinese. If we started fighting a war against the North Koreans with the Chinese backing them again, like we did in the 1950s, US casualties may actually be worse. I don't believe the Marines to be quite as tough as they used to be, nor are their marksman skills quite as keen because of a change in the training they get. (some may rise to the occasion)

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: archiloco
make nice with china, ask them to go in, and if they need help we will (they will most likely refuse the help, and take over N-korea) problem solved, and minimal involvement. it's actually more beneficial for china to have N-Korea taken care of because it's so close to them.

as long as north koreans don't start streaming across the border that is about the only hope of getting rid of kji any time soon.

 

[Gibsons]

It might be do-able, but there are some big ifs

If we weren't already overexteneded militarily
and
had full cooperation of SK
and
some help from Japan, Aus, NZ etc.
and
at least tacit approval of China/USSR
and
willingness to let Seoul take some really heavy damage, at least initially

Then we might be able to pull it off. It would take a pretty massive buildup, which could take away the element of surprise. Casualties could be pretty high. The NK terrain is mountainous - really good for defense, bad for offense and bad for air support. Ideal scenario might involve a military coup in NK after a few days.

Overall, it's just not realistic at this point.

 

[FoBoT]

maybe send Kim Jong-il an exploding Fleshlight
you know, rig a Fleshlight with a bomb or poison in it

 

[Queasy]

Best suggestion I've heard - Link

I?m increasingly convinced that we need a new approach: We need to make China and offer it can?t refuse. Essentially it is this:

?If you won't stand in the way of a nuclear North Korea, we won't stand in the way of a nuclear Japan. Continue along the present course and soon, you will face an Asia where your adversaries are armed with nuclear weapons.?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Best suggestion I've heard - Link

I?m increasingly convinced that we need a new approach: We need to make China and offer it can?t refuse. Essentially it is this:

?If you won't stand in the way of a nuclear North Korea, we won't stand in the way of a nuclear Japan. Continue along the present course and soon, you will face an Asia where your adversaries are armed with nuclear weapons.?

noo.

that could get very very nasty in a short time.

 

[yllus]

There's pretty much one scenario I can think of that would work, and it's pretty dicey.

You could fake an earthquake or some other natural disaster in Seoul/near the North Korean border in SK. Great legitimate reason to send in the army, send along their weapons and ammo and claim breakdown in the law as the cause. No idea how you'd move the needed tanks, artillery and air assets into place though. You'd also probably need to kill and demolish a sizeable amount of the city to justify the move.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
maybe send Kim Jong-il an exploding Fleshlight
you know, rig a Fleshlight with a bomb or poison in it

noo little spikes inside..

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Best suggestion I've heard - Link

I?m increasingly convinced that we need a new approach: We need to make China and offer it can?t refuse. Essentially it is this:

?If you won't stand in the way of a nuclear North Korea, we won't stand in the way of a nuclear Japan. Continue along the present course and soon, you will face an Asia where your adversaries are armed with nuclear weapons.?

Pictures of the Japanese checking out a Ohio class in drydock or a Minuteman III silo would get the message across I think.

 

[UNCjigga]

Chinese troops from the north, South Korean troops from the South, all supported by Allied naval blockade and US air support. Sounds easy, right? Now the trick is convincing the Chinese to leave once the job's done!!

 

[AbsolutDealage]

I don't think it's possible without a rediculous amount of civilian casualties in Seoul.

In any case, I think that a massive air strike on the AA sites and the major artillary ranges would be the first step. That would take out a good amount of their ability to effectively make war. You would need to step up the missile security for Seoul, as well as beefing up the naval and border defense on SK. That would at least minimize the retaliatory strike, but it would still be really bad. I assume that NK has artillary ranges disguised and distributed in civilian areas as well.

Basically, there is no good way of doing this. If we do it anyways, then we better have all of Asia (as well as Europe) on our side, or it will be our undoing.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Wait a sec, don't we have like space-lasers that we can shoot from satellites n stuff? Can't we just nail that sucka like a beam from the heavens?

 

[Jeeebus]

Two words, hangman style:

Ja_k
B_ _er


He's already in China... he can be in N Korea by nightfall.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Wait a sec, don't we have like space-lasers that we can shoot from satellites n stuff? Can't we just nail that sucka like a beam from the heavens?

ding ding ding! Just wait until the recent militarization of space plan goes through, then use the plasma cannons on the artillery.

 

[J0hnny]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Queasy
Best suggestion I've heard - Link

I?m increasingly convinced that we need a new approach: We need to make China and offer it can?t refuse. Essentially it is this:

?If you won't stand in the way of a nuclear North Korea, we won't stand in the way of a nuclear Japan. Continue along the present course and soon, you will face an Asia where your adversaries are armed with nuclear weapons.?

noo.

that could get very very nasty in a short time.

And that would only add fuel to the fire. That would give China reason to ally with NK! Even the South Koreans would not prefer a strong Japanese military. It would give many asians a reason to unite against Japan. Most asians have not forgiven the Japanese for the atrocities they committed during WW2.

 

[Golgatha]

I think the best way to invade NK would be to do nothing. They can't get their nukes over here (if they did, I pray for each and every living thing in NK) and they can't hurt us economically by imposing sanctions against us. Set up an all or nothing policy. It would go something like this.

1) You promise to leave our neighboring allied countries alone and we leave you alone completely (meaning no trade, no food, no talks, no nothing).

2) Break statement #1 and we unleash 10x what you dish out to your neighbors back at you in the form of thermonuclear weapons.

3) If you sell your nukes to the highest bidder and we can trace it back to you, we will absolutely level your government by any means necessary (including assassination of your leaders, etc.).

 

[Exterous]

China won't send troops unless NK starts threatening them or actually starts a nuclear war. Any sanctions will just hurt the population and do nothing to Kim - just like last time.

Is it known where the facility that produced these weapons are? If so, I could maybe see a Japanese strike on the facility (Israel style) but other than that I jsut see sanctions being imposed (with little/no effect). There is no viable way to invade NK right now.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
I think the best way to invade NK would be to do nothing. They can't get their nukes over here (if they did, I pray for each and every living thing in NK) and they can't hurt us economically by imposing sanctions against us. Set up an all or nothing policy. It would go something like this.

1) You promise to leave our neighboring allied countries alone and we leave you alone completely (meaning no trade, no food, no talks, no nothing).

2) Break statement #1 and we unleash 10x what you dish out to your neighbors back at you in the form of thermonuclear weapons.

3) If you sell your nukes to the highest bidder and we can trace it back to you, we will absolutely level your government by any means necessary (including assassination of your leaders, etc.).

i honestly do not see that working with kim jong il. he's the world's biggest attention whore. he doesn't want to be left alone.

Originally posted by: Exterous
China won't send troops unless NK starts threatening them or actually starts a nuclear war. Any sanctions will just hurt the population and do nothing to Kim - just like last time.

Is it known where the facility that produced these weapons are? If so, I could maybe see a Japanese strike on the facility (Israel style) but other than that I jsut see sanctions being imposed (with little/no effect). There is no viable way to invade NK right now.

iran didn't have any way to strike at israel or anyone israel liked at the time. NK would level seoul if there were a strike against its facility.


any discussion of military force against north korea starts and ends with NK leveling seoul. it's the same problem that has been around for at least the last decade, if not longer. unfortunately no one thought about that when they were rebuilding SK.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Military action has already been ruled-out.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I think the only option would be to evacuate Seoul and surrounding areas first, as we all know that would be a total loss. Then it would be up to China to lead a strike from the Northern border at the same time that other forces create a second front in the South.

I think it would be logistically impossible to really evacuate Seoul and surrounding areas though.

 

[sandorski]

It can not be done.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: J0hnny

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Queasy
Best suggestion I've heard - Link

I?m increasingly convinced that we need a new approach: We need to make China and offer it can?t refuse. Essentially it is this:

?If you won't stand in the way of a nuclear North Korea, we won't stand in the way of a nuclear Japan. Continue along the present course and soon, you will face an Asia where your adversaries are armed with nuclear weapons.?

noo.

that could get very very nasty in a short time.

And that would only add fuel to the fire. That would give China reason to ally with NK! Even the South Koreans would not prefer a strong Japanese military. It would give many asians a reason to unite against Japan. Most asians have not forgiven the Japanese for the atrocities they committed during WW2.

China is already allied with North Korea...