House Speaker election/circus/all ages carnival - ongoing coverage

[Brainonska511]

Oh are we even talking that far? We were talking about person who is holding the gaval during the speaker nomination process.

Forgive my misinterpretation then. I saw an article last night discussing the presidential line of succession.

 

[Indus]

Scalise and Jordan seem to be early favorites.

House Dems should spend their time lining up several discharge petitions they can amend at will for whatever needs to get done (Ukraine, CR, etc) that they can find a few R votes for and would pass the Senate. The GOP House majority is non-functional and will be for the rest of this Congress.

Trump as speaker would be awesome!

Like really awesome! (more for the dems but hush hush for the GOP base)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is what I was talking about earlier.
Deplorable fuckers are incapable of building agreements.
For example new temporary dude for spite ordered Nancy to move offices.
There is no way this dude didn’t know Nancy was at her friends funeral. The move is pure maga spite.
Good luck looking for Nancy’s vote when it’s needed shithead
Nancy has no claim to the office, she’s not saying it’s hers forever. She IS saying this is immediate and it is not necessary for her to vacate immediately since the office won’t be used.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/pelosi-vacate-office-capitol-mchenry-interim-speaker/index.html

Now watch this fucker will want Her to help anoint a new speaker.

 

[Indus]

This is what I was talking about earlier.
Deplorable fuckers are incapable of building agreements.
For example new temporary dude for spite ordered Nancy to move offices.
There is no way this dude didn’t know Nancy was at her friends funeral. The move is pure maga spite.
Good luck looking for Nancy’s vote when it’s needed shithead
Nancy has no claim to the office, she’s not saying it’s hers forever. She IS saying this is immediate and it is not necessary for her to vacate immediately since the office won’t be used.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/pelosi-vacate-office-capitol-mchenry-interim-speaker/index.html

Now watch this fucker will want Her to help anoint a new speaker.

Would be silly to help them out.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Would be silly to help them out.

Exactly

 

[K1052]

Jordan off to an early start on doing a lot of lying.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709610531307348278

 

[Perknose]

This is what I was talking about earlier.
Deplorable fuckers are incapable of building agreements.
For example new temporary dude for spite ordered Nancy to move offices.

In a statement, Pelosi said “this eviction is a sharp departure from tradition” and noted that when she was speaker, she gave former speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) “a significantly larger suite of offices for as long as he wished.”

^^^ The pettiness and spite for spite's sake suffuses what passes for today's Republican Party.

 

[Zor Prime]

Pay no mind to Zor. He posts idiotic, inflammatory lies with the evidence level of Taj or manbaby postings.

Pages back I started quoting him to reply, but after seeing all his posts in the last few pages, I decided it's not even worth it. He doesn't argue in good faith and isn't honest about reality.

Rich. You're upset that I usually ignore you. I usually do because you're hateful and I have better things to do than to acknowledge you exist. Even after being one of the only people around here to honor the memory of your friend that got murdered, that post that you bumped a while back, you continue to ride my ass at any and all given opportunities like you got some sort of weird fixation for me.

To the matter at hand, it's not my fault people can't read.

Let's rewind. Have some context.

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash. Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats ..." I also said everyone is guilty.

And I was right. In no way was I wrong. I do suppose that's the part that unnerved people the most.

omg how dare they shift blame to the Democrats

One Republican kicked off this shit by initiating a vote, a handful of them also voted for the removal of McCarthy, while over 200 Democrats voted in favor of it.

Should this escape you, let's rewind one more time to increase probability of it sinking in. We'll do this in stages, OK. Trying to make this real simple. Context is important.

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash." Wait a moment. Think about that. Are we good? Okay, let's proceed. I also said "Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats." Then I said in a response to a question I found stupid is that everyone is guilty.

Now how did we get to this point to begin with, anyway? There's this thing called a Republic. We have representatives voting on our behalf. If you didn't know, it's primarily filled with people aligned with two parties, and they call themselves Democrats and Republicans. People often refer to this system of governance as a Democracy.

There's nothing left to wonder. Everyone is involved in this (hopeful) vote for a market crash, Democrats and Republicans. Trajectory could have us going there. My advice for that -- buy all the way down.

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol the Dems did it? Voting R is voting for boom and bust cycle

 

[Pohemi]

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash. Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats ..." I also said everyone is guilty.

And I was right. In no way was I wrong. I do suppose that's the part that unnerved people the most.

LOL. So basically the Democrats in the HoR should have all voted to keep McCarthy, 'bEcAuSe He wAs dOiNg SuCh A gReAt jErB AnD sO mUcH WaS GeTtInG dOnE oN HiS wAtCh!'

You keep trying to portray this as just as much on Democrats as the GOP in the House. It's disingenuous at best, and straight lying/trolling at worst. If you really believe it, then you need to face ACTUAL facts and reality. Not alt-facts based on your subjective feels.

No one here is trying to twist or misrepresent what's happened/happening in the HoR other than you. Not even the other conservatives on the forums. And you lying and being called out for it doesn't equate to others being stupid or not understanding, but nice deflection insult.

You don't wonder why, 'everyone is ganging up on you'? Either find some awareness, or some honesty. Which one you need depends on how much you actually acknowledge to yourself.

One last note: you making a comment in the 14yo thread about my friend is not a reason for me to 'be nice' to you when you keep posting with such ignorance. Just saying.

 

[fskimospy]

Rich. You're upset that I usually ignore you. I usually do because you're hateful and I have better things to do than to acknowledge you exist. Even after being one of the only people around here to honor the memory of your friend that got murdered, that post that you bumped a while back, you continue to ride my ass at any and all given opportunities like you got some sort of weird fixation for me.

To the matter at hand, it's not my fault people can't read.

Let's rewind. Have some context.

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash. Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats ..." I also said everyone is guilty.

And I was right. In no way was I wrong. I do suppose that's the part that unnerved people the most.

omg how dare they shift blame to the Democrats

One Republican kicked off this shit by initiating a vote, a handful of them also voted for the removal of McCarthy, while over 200 Democrats voted in favor of it.

Should this escape you, let's rewind one more time to increase probability of it sinking in. We'll do this in stages, OK. Trying to make this real simple. Context is important.

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash." Wait a moment. Think about that. Are we good? Okay, let's proceed. I also said "Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats." Then I said in a response to a question I found stupid is that everyone is guilty.

Now how did we get to this point to begin with, anyway? There's this thing called a Republic. We have representatives voting on our behalf. If you didn't know, it's primarily filled with people aligned with two parties, and they call themselves Democrats and Republicans. People often refer to this system of governance as a Democracy.

There's nothing left to wonder. Everyone is involved in this (hopeful) vote for a market crash, Democrats and Republicans. Trajectory could have us going there. My advice for that -- buy all the way down.

This is, uhhh, not how our legislature works. The majority, by definition, are those who capture the leadership and organization of the House (Republicans). The opposition, again by definition, are those who failed to capture the leadership of the House. They are called the 'opposition' because they oppose the current leadership!

If McCarthy wanted to make a new majority, in this case involving Democratic votes, then he would need to involve Democrats in the leadership or organization of the House in some way, something he explicitly refused to do. So essentially he said 'join the majority and save my speakership in exchange for nothing'. It doesn't take a genius to see why they declined, and that's a failure on McCarthy's part.

'Everyone is guilty' is ridiculous, #bothsides nonsense. This was a case of the governing majority falling apart and the current House leader being unwilling to make even a single concession to make a new one. It is not the job of the opposition to save the governing majority in exchange for zero concessions.

 

[fskimospy]

LOL. So basically the Democrats in the HoR should have all voted to keep McCarthy, 'bEcAuSe He wAs dOiNg SuCh A gReAt jErB AnD sO mUcH WaS GeTtInG dOnE oN HiS wAtCh!'

You keep trying to portray this as just as much on Democrats as the GOP in the House. It's disingenuous at best, and straight lying/trolling at worst. If you really believe it, then you need to face ACTUAL facts and reality. Not alt-facts based on your subjective feels.

No one here is trying to twist or misrepresent what's happened/happening in the HoR other than you. Not even the other conservatives on the forums. And you lying and being called out for it doesn't equate to others being stupid or not understanding, but nice deflection insult.

You don't wonder why, 'everyone is ganging up on you'? Either find some awareness, or some honesty. Which one you need depends on how much you actually acknowledge to yourself.

One last note: you making a comment in the 14yo thread about my friend is not a reason for me to 'be nice' to you when you keep posting with such ignorance. Just saying.

It is kind of amazing that his argument is Democrats should have voted to cement their own minority status because if they don't save the country from Republican disarray and insanity then they are at fault.

It's part of the larger #bothsides narrative where Republicans are infantilized - everyone expects them to act like maniacs and for the Democrats to save us from whatever new crazy thing they are doing. No! Republicans have agency, same as anyone else and they are the ones to blame for the messes they make.

 

[Pohemi]

IKR? When not even Greenman is trying to #bothsides this, you know it's a ridiculous notion and projection/deflection onto Democrats for . If they don't want to see the circus, why should they buy tickets?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Rich. You're upset that I usually ignore you. I usually do because you're hateful and I have better things to do than to acknowledge you exist. Even after being one of the only people around here to honor the memory of your friend that got murdered, that post that you bumped a while back, you continue to ride my ass at any and all given opportunities like you got some sort of weird fixation for me.

To the matter at hand, it's not my fault people can't read.

Let's rewind. Have some context.

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash. Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats ..." I also said everyone is guilty.

And I was right. In no way was I wrong. I do suppose that's the part that unnerved people the most.

omg how dare they shift blame to the Democrats

One Republican kicked off this shit by initiating a vote, a handful of them also voted for the removal of McCarthy, while over 200 Democrats voted in favor of it.

Should this escape you, let's rewind one more time to increase probability of it sinking in. We'll do this in stages, OK. Trying to make this real simple. Context is important.

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash." Wait a moment. Think about that. Are we good? Okay, let's proceed. I also said "Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats." Then I said in a response to a question I found stupid is that everyone is guilty.

Now how did we get to this point to begin with, anyway? There's this thing called a Republic. We have representatives voting on our behalf. If you didn't know, it's primarily filled with people aligned with two parties, and they call themselves Democrats and Republicans. People often refer to this system of governance as a Democracy.

There's nothing left to wonder. Everyone is involved in this (hopeful) vote for a market crash, Democrats and Republicans. Trajectory could have us going there. My advice for that -- buy all the way down.

Maybe if Kevin kept that 2 years debt ceiling commitment he made things would be different.
He didn’t keep his debt ceiling agreement he made and now wanted Democrats to support him being speaker

 

[hal2kilo]

Maybe if Kevin kept that 2 years debt ceiling commitment he made things would be different.
He didn’t keep his debt ceiling agreement he made and now wanted Democrats to support him being speaker

And blamed them for the shutdown while asking for their support.

 

[Perknose]

One Republican kicked off this shit by initiating a vote, a handful of them also voted for the removal of McCarthy, while over 200 Democrats voted in favor of it.

"Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats."

There's nothing left to wonder. Everyone is involved in this (hopeful) vote for a market crash, Democrats and Republicans. Trajectory could have us going there. My advice for that -- buy all the way down.

I sense you're upset at the outcome.

Would you have preferred the Dems voted to keep the lying, cowardly, POS McCarthy as speaker, because that would have somehow guaranteed a harmonious and working House? I'm sure you'd agree it wouldn't have. And it was the sole alternative.

Or are you just pissed that there was no foreseeably good outcome? Because that makes more sense and logically absolves the Dems from your cri de coure about the market.

I invite you to clarify your stance for us.

 

[MrSquished]

I sense you're upset at the outcome.

Would you have preferred the Dems voted to keep the lying, cowardly, POS McCarthy as speaker, because that would have somehow guaranteed a harmonious and working House? I'm sure you'd agree it wouldn't have. And it was the sole alternative.

Or are you just pissed that there was no foreseeably good outcome? Because that makes more sense and logically absolves the Dems from your cri de coure about the market.

I invite you to clarify your stance for us.

Like you said, this guy exists outside the realm of reality and logic. This is well known yet people engage this intellectually and morally bankrupt trash because some have the hope these people are redeemable. I mean some are, but not that guy. We have the evidence.

 

[JEDI]

The speaker makes a list of his 5 replacements if he’s incapacitated. So the pro tempore takes over. But since the house voted to vacate the chair, it’s a lame duck temporary speaker. But line of succession still applies. As for selecting next speaker, his voice still carries influence. Provided party follows his selection.

Oh wow, so the temp speaker is 3rd line in for Pres?

 

[eelw]

Oh wow, so the temp speaker is 3rd line in for Pres?

Sorry line of succession in regards to the 5 people he picked to cover the speakership in his absence.

But as someone replied to my post, the senate pro tempore would apparently become next person in line outside a vacant house speaker.

 

[Zor Prime]

LOL. So basically the Democrats in the HoR should have all voted to keep McCarthy, 'bEcAuSe He wAs dOiNg SuCh A gReAt jErB AnD sO mUcH WaS GeTtInG dOnE oN HiS wAtCh!'

You keep trying to portray this as just as much on Democrats as the GOP in the House. It's disingenuous at best, and straight lying/trolling at worst. If you really believe it, then you need to face ACTUAL facts and reality. Not alt-facts based on your subjective feels.

No one here is trying to twist or misrepresent what's happened/happening in the HoR other than you. Not even the other conservatives on the forums. And you lying and being called out for it doesn't equate to others being stupid or not understanding, but nice deflection insult.

You don't wonder why, 'everyone is ganging up on you'? Either find some awareness, or some honesty. Which one you need depends on how much you actually acknowledge to yourself.

One last note: you making a comment in the 14yo thread about my friend is not a reason for me to 'be nice' to you when you keep posting with such ignorance. Just saying.

I don't have any 'feels' on it. Nor did I twist or misrepresent. Or lie. Or troll -- and you're calling me disingenuous?

There is context at the beginning of this 'argument' and you have the audacity to tell me I'm twisting or misrepresenting when that's precisely what you are doing. It's black and white. There's literally nothing to portray, it's on paper, recorded, forever. Facts. Democrats and Republicans both voted for this. If you didn't notice, more Democrats voted for this than Republicans. That is irrelevant, at the end of the day both parties are responsible. Throw in some Independents and point fingers at them too if that makes you feel better about it. Both Republicans and Democrats voted on outing McCarthy. Democrats and Republicans are both responsible. That's what I said, no more no less.

 

[HomerJS]

Rich. You're upset that I usually ignore you. I usually do because you're hateful and I have better things to do than to acknowledge you exist. Even after being one of the only people around here to honor the memory of your friend that got murdered, that post that you bumped a while back, you continue to ride my ass at any and all given opportunities like you got some sort of weird fixation for me.

To the matter at hand, it's not my fault people can't read.

Let's rewind. Have some context.

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash. Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats ..." I also said everyone is guilty.

And I was right. In no way was I wrong. I do suppose that's the part that unnerved people the most.

omg how dare they shift blame to the Democrats

One Republican kicked off this shit by initiating a vote, a handful of them also voted for the removal of McCarthy, while over 200 Democrats voted in favor of it.

Should this escape you, let's rewind one more time to increase probability of it sinking in. We'll do this in stages, OK. Trying to make this real simple. Context is important.

I said, "This was basically a vote for a market crash." Wait a moment. Think about that. Are we good? Okay, let's proceed. I also said "Republicans kicked it off and was assisted by Democrats." Then I said in a response to a question I found stupid is that everyone is guilty.

Now how did we get to this point to begin with, anyway? There's this thing called a Republic. We have representatives voting on our behalf. If you didn't know, it's primarily filled with people aligned with two parties, and they call themselves Democrats and Republicans. People often refer to this system of governance as a Democracy.

There's nothing left to wonder. Everyone is involved in this (hopeful) vote for a market crash, Democrats and Republicans. Trajectory could have us going there. My advice for that -- buy all the way down.

What kicked this off was KMC making a deal with the devil that included 1 vote to create a motion to vacate. All that done just so he could be Speaker.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't have any 'feels' on it. Nor did I twist or misrepresent. Or lie. Or troll -- and you're calling me disingenuous?

There is context at the beginning of this 'argument' and you have the audacity to tell me I'm twisting or misrepresenting when that's precisely what you are doing. It's black and white. There's literally nothing to portray, it's on paper, recorded, forever. Facts. Democrats and Republicans both voted for this. If you didn't notice, more Democrats voted for this than Republicans. That is irrelevant, at the end of the day both parties are responsible. Throw in some Independents and point fingers at them too if that makes you feel better about it. Both Republicans and Democrats voted on outing McCarthy. Democrats and Republicans are both responsible. That's what I said, no more no less.

It is pretty black and white but not in the way you think, haha. If someone came up and offered you $0 for your house are you both responsible for the deal not going through? Not in any way that matters.

Similarly here the request was for Democrats to vote to sustain a system in which they had no power in exchange for nothing. Unless you're forking over your house for $0 what you're arguing makes no sense.

 

[IronWing]

Getting rid of McCarthy is still a very good thing. I'm okay with the Republicans stomping on each other's dicks. Will the Reps pull another fascist turd out of the bowl to replace Kevin? Of course, they will. In the mean time, the damage they can do to America is limited by their own incompetence and mean-spirited stupidity.

 

[Zor Prime]

I sense you're upset at the outcome.

Would you have preferred the Dems voted to keep the lying, cowardly, POS McCarthy as speaker, because that would have somehow guaranteed a harmonious and working House? I'm sure you'd agree it wouldn't have. And it was the sole alternative.

Or are you just pissed that there was no foreseeably good outcome? Because that makes more sense and logically absolves the Dems from your cri de coure about the market.

I invite you to clarify your stance for us.

If I'm upset about anything at all it's that people can't read and when they can't be bothered to read they're being presumptuous and bringing things into being that otherwise ordinarily don't exist.

I'm fine with what happened. I didn't point fingers except to everybody involved and both parties were in fact involved. All one needs to do is go look at who voted. This is basic, super simple shit that people are failing to come to terms with and want to live in an alternate reality. I didn't say one side was more responsible than the other. Context matters and some people can't even be bothered to read that even when laid out line by line.

I honestly and truly do want a market crash -- that's probably something some people think I'm full of shit about. Nope, totally true, I do want that. If someone isn't on the sideline complaining about it they could be making a mint and be rather joyous about the whole thing. Unfortunately every time I see a market crash coming around the corner I'm horribly disappointed and figure that will be the case in approx 40 days as well but I am ever hopeful.

I'm glad the vote turned out the way it did. I'm thankful to both the Democrats and Republicans. They're both responsible for this gift I hope to receive, and everybody here could jump in should the market crash and buy all the way down because eventually, and probably in short order come back up the other side and we could have a lot of people here with a lot of money in a hurry.

 

[nakedfrog]

I honestly and truly do want a market crash -- that's probably something some people think I'm full of shit about. Nope, totally true, I do want that.

I absolutely do believe this is true, it's 100% in line with who you've told us you are.