House Speaker election/circus/all ages carnival - ongoing coverage

[eelw]

Lol Repugnican house member trying the same Jedi mind tricks Zor is doing. 208 Democrats removed our duly elected leader. Stupid Wolf Blitzer isn’t pushing back “it’s because he didn’t keep his promise he made with Biden”

 

[Zorba]

Lol Repugnican house member trying the same Jedi mind tricks Zor is doing. 208 Democrats removed our duly elected leader. Stupid Wolf Blitzer isn’t pushing back “it’s because he didn’t keep his promise he made with Biden”

I'd like to know if any republican has ever voted for a democratic speaker. Especially since 1992. I seriously doubt it. And that should be the only response.

 

[Jimminy]

The republican party seems to have begun a meltdown process, starting when trump came onto the scene. If this continues, they will eventually become one of two things:

(1) The only legal political party in the country.
(2) They fission, and cease to exist.

Both are very serious situations. Number 2 seems good right now, but then we are still left with a single party (democratic party) system because we were never able to sustain more than two parties. What if it goes rogue too? We'll be at square one.

It's a damn shame we can't go back to a zero party system.

I do hope the republicans can clean up their shit and start working FOR our country, instead of dismantling it's very foundations. Thus far, they have shown zero inclination to pursue such a path.
They have gone from "Party of Lincoln" to "Party of Trump".

That is a goddamned shame.

 

[ivwshane]

The republican party seems to have begun a meltdown process, starting when trump came onto the scene. If this continues, they will eventually become one of two things:

(1) The only legal political party in the country.
(2) They fission, and cease to exist.

Both are very serious situations. Number 2 seems good right now, but then we are still left with a single party (democratic party) system because we were never able to sustain more than two parties. What if it goes rogue too? We'll be at square one.

It's a damn shame we can't go back to a zero party system.

I do hope the republicans can clean up their shit and start working FOR our country, instead of dismantling it's very foundations. Thus far, they have shown zero inclination to pursue such a path.
They have gone from "Party of Lincoln" to "Party of Trump".

That is a goddamned shame.

History shows a new party will emerge. What that looks like I have no idea but at this point keeping republicans around as a check on Dems really seems like it would do more harm than good.

 

[Brainonska511]

It's a damn shame we can't go back to a zero party system.

There will never be a "zero party" system. People will always find ways to efficiently organize.

 

[Dave_5k]

I'd like to know if any republican has ever voted for a democratic speaker. Especially since 1992. I seriously doubt it. And that should be the only response.

Someone voting for the other party's candidate for speaker has happened exactly once in the history of the modern congress (since ~1950), in 2001. And it was one Democrat voting for the Republican Hastert for speaker. There has never been a single Republican that has voted for a Democratic house candidate for speaker, ever in history.

References:
2001 Speaker vote details:

ELECTION OF SPEAKER -- House Vote #2 -- Jan 3, 2001

House Vote #2 in 2001, in the United States Congress.

www.govtrack.us

2023 analysis by Congressional Research Service of historical speaker votes, see page 4 (or 7th page of pdf), last paragraph:

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL30857.pdf

 

[nickqt]

The republican party seems to have begun a meltdown process, starting when trump came onto the scene. If this continues, they will eventually become one of two things:

(1) The only legal political party in the country.
(2) They fission, and cease to exist.

Both are very serious situations. Number 2 seems good right now, but then we are still left with a single party (democratic party) system because we were never able to sustain more than two parties. What if it goes rogue too? We'll be at square one.

It's a damn shame we can't go back to a zero party system.

I do hope the republicans can clean up their shit and start working FOR our country, instead of dismantling it's very foundations. Thus far, they have shown zero inclination to pursue such a path.
They have gone from "Party of Lincoln" to "Party of Trump".

That is a goddamned shame.

The Republican Party became the dumping ground for Southern Conservative shitbags shortly after Truman de-segregated the Army in 1948 and the Dixiecrats decided that they'd rather switch parties than support race-traitor liberal Democrats. Southern Conservatives have transformed a once Urban, Industrial, abolitionist party into a Southern Conservative "traditionalist" party...which is just a nice way of saying a party of bigots, imbeciles, and low-IQ fascists. The Democratic Party has now become the Urban, Industrial, abolitionist party (abolition of traditional restrictions of rights on people deemed "others").

The current "meltdown" did not start with Trump. It started when Democrats nominated a Black Man for the White House. Reviewing the preceding sentences make this all-but-obvious to anyone remotely paying attention.

Trump is a symptom, not a disease. Trump is what you get if you boil down decades of Republican dog whistles and shit-tier policies and pour the toxic stew into an empty shell of a man who only cares about adoration by pretending to be a great success. Trump is just a living and breathing graven image for Southern Conservative hatred of anyone who they don't identify with. A golden calf to be worshiped.

 

[MrSquished]

So what happened in this thread besides what we already know, Republicans are horrific and irredeemable? I know there was something else we learned....Fuck, what is it.

Oh that's right. Zor finally found a wife that has zero respect for herself.

 

[nakedfrog]

The Republican Party became the dumping ground for Southern Conservative shitbags shortly after Truman de-segregated the Army in 1948 and the Dixiecrats decided that they'd rather switch parties than support race-traitor liberal Democrats. Southern Conservatives have transformed a once Urban, Industrial, abolitionist party into a Southern Conservative "traditionalist" party...which is just a nice way of saying a party of bigots, imbeciles, and low-IQ fascists. The Democratic Party has now become the Urban, Industrial, abolitionist party (abolition of traditional restrictions of rights on people deemed "others").

The current "meltdown" did not start with Trump. It started when Democrats nominated a Black Man for the White House. Reviewing the preceding sentences make this all-but-obvious to anyone remotely paying attention.

Trump is a symptom, not a disease. Trump is what you get if you boil down decades of Republican dog whistles and shit-tier policies and pour the toxic stew into an empty shell of a man who only cares about adoration by pretending to be a great success. Trump is just a living and breathing graven image for Southern Conservative hatred of anyone who they don't identify with. A golden calf to be worshiped.

Who could forget this classic, from the "party of Christianity" or whatever?

 

[Zor Prime]

I think I've spotted a possible flaw in your ability to communicate.

Now you're onto something here. You really should try this yourself.

I said Republicans kicked this off and the Democrats assisted. Feel free to go back and look.

So ... yeah. Not sure where you're going with that.

 

[dank69]

I never pointed a finger at anyone except for everyone.

 

[MrSquished]

IKR? When not even Greenman is trying to #bothsides this, you know it's a ridiculous notion and projection/deflection onto Democrats for . If they don't want to see the circus, why should they buy tickets?

Has he posted about this yet? If not, don't worry, give him time to bothsides this.

 

[Jimminy]

The Republican Party became the dumping ground for Southern Conservative shitbags shortly after Truman de-segregated the Army in 1948 and the Dixiecrats decided that they'd rather switch parties than support race-traitor liberal Democrats. Southern Conservatives have transformed a once Urban, Industrial, abolitionist party into a Southern Conservative "traditionalist" party...which is just a nice way of saying a party of bigots, imbeciles, and low-IQ fascists. The Democratic Party has now become the Urban, Industrial, abolitionist party (abolition of traditional restrictions of rights on people deemed "others").

The current "meltdown" did not start with Trump. It started when Democrats nominated a Black Man for the White House. Reviewing the preceding sentences make this all-but-obvious to anyone remotely paying attention.

Trump is a symptom, not a disease. Trump is what you get if you boil down decades of Republican dog whistles and shit-tier policies and pour the toxic stew into an empty shell of a man who only cares about adoration by pretending to be a great success. Trump is just a living and breathing graven image for Southern Conservative hatred of anyone who they don't identify with. A golden calf to be worshiped.

OK. Praise Trump! The man is innocent. All crimes were perpetrated by people that died 50 years ago.

CASE DISMISSED

 

[JEDI]

I heard there were some who may have voted for him until Jeffries played his idiotic Face the Nation interview at their caucus meeting. That was absolute Trump/Desantis level rake stepping.

Which Dem besides pelosi wasn't there to cast a vote to remove McCarthy?

Edit:
3 other dems

Removal of Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Dave_5k]

Which Dem besides pelosi wasn't there to cast a vote to remove McCarthy?

3 Republicans and 4 Dems did not vote on H. Res 757 to remove McCarthy, according to US House Clerk website:

Bush	Democratic	Missouri	NOT VOTING
Carter (TX)	Republican	Texas	NOT VOTING
Gooden (TX)	Republican	Texas	NOT VOTING
Luna	Republican	Florida	NOT VOTING
Pelosi	Democratic	California	NOT VOTING
Peltola	Democratic	Alaska	NOT VOTING
Sykes	Democratic	Ohio	NOT VOTING

 

[Jimminy]

There will never be a "zero party" system. People will always find ways to efficiently organize.

You are right. It would take a massive revision of the constitution which unfortunately never addressed "parties".

If a single party exists, you can be damn sure that won't happen. Too much money would be lost. That single party would become the ONLY legal party. There have been some one party systems. Some still extant.

I hope we don't become one party.

 

[eelw]

It’s funny all the Repugnicans calling the to remove the motion to vacate. Umm wasn’t this what Pelosi basically did?

 

[dank69]

You are right. It would take a massive revision of the constitution which unfortunately never addressed "parties".

If a single party exists, you can be damn sure that won't happen. Too much money would be lost. That single party would become the ONLY legal party. There have been some one party systems. Some still extant.

I hope we don't become one party.

We have 4 main parties in the US right now. First past the post system guarantees that only two will be competitive. It also guarantees that no less than two parties will be competitive.

 

[Dave_5k]

It’s funny all the Repugnicans calling the to remove the motion to vacate. Umm wasn’t this what Pelosi basically did?

Yep! Not removing it, but the Democrats had adjusted the rule to be much more difficult: "overhauling the motion to vacate, a legislative maneuver used to oust the speaker, so that it can only be brought up for a vote over the objection of leadership if offered at the direction of a party caucus or conference instead of just a single member."

McCarthy reverted the rule back to any single member, as part of his sellout packages to get final few votes needed to become speaker, in January.

 

[JEDI]

3 Republicans and 4 Dems did not vote on H. Res 757 to remove McCarthy, according to US House Clerk website:

Bush	Democratic	Missouri	NOT VOTING
Carter (TX)	Republican	Texas	NOT VOTING
Gooden (TX)	Republican	Texas	NOT VOTING
Luna	Republican	Florida	NOT VOTING
Pelosi	Democratic	California	NOT VOTING
Peltola	Democratic	Alaska	NOT VOTING
Sykes	Democratic	Ohio	NOT VOTING

Thx!
Reasons why they weren't there that day:

Removal of Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

216-210 with 8 repubs voting to oust him.
Ironically, because of all the absences, if only the original 5 repubs voted to oust him then he would have kept his job because 213-213 tie

 

[K1052]

Why didn't the Democrats go out of their way to help this kindly man? For shame.

Oh right because he's a piece of shit too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709708338273874043

 

[Paratus]

One of your ex wives…?!

How many we talkin’ here, 4, 5, 6 maybe??

Might explain your sullen disposition. *shrug*

It does explain his need to work 7 days a week.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why didn't the Democrats go out of their way to help this kindly man? For shame.

Oh right because he's a piece of shit too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709708338273874043

More bridges burn for no other reason than to appease the shitheads.

 

[DaaQ]

Unlikely that it would be someone so junior.

I'm betting it's Scalise.

He's undergoing cancer treatments I have heard, so unlikely.

If I'm upset about anything at all it's that people can't read and when they can't be bothered to read they're being presumptuous and bringing things into being that otherwise ordinarily don't exist.

I'm fine with what happened. I didn't point fingers except to everybody involved and both parties were in fact involved. All one needs to do is go look at who voted. This is basic, super simple shit that people are failing to come to terms with and want to live in an alternate reality. I didn't say one side was more responsible than the other. Context matters and some people can't even be bothered to read that even when laid out line by line.

I honestly and truly do want a market crash -- that's probably something some people think I'm full of shit about. Nope, totally true, I do want that. If someone isn't on the sideline complaining about it they could be making a mint and be rather joyous about the whole thing. Unfortunately every time I see a market crash coming around the corner I'm horribly disappointed and figure that will be the case in approx 40 days as well but I am ever hopeful.

I'm glad the vote turned out the way it did. I'm thankful to both the Democrats and Republicans. They're both responsible for this gift I hope to receive, and everybody here could jump in should the market crash and buy all the way down because eventually, and probably in short order come back up the other side and we could have a lot of people here with a lot of money in a hurry.

There it is, the get rich quick scheme.

Someone voting for the other party's candidate for speaker has happened exactly once in the history of the modern congress (since ~1950), in 2001. And it was one Democrat voting for the Republican Hastert for speaker. There has never been a single Republican that has voted for a Democratic house candidate for speaker, ever in history.

References:
2001 Speaker vote details:

ELECTION OF SPEAKER -- House Vote #2 -- Jan 3, 2001

House Vote #2 in 2001, in the United States Congress.

www.govtrack.us

2023 analysis by Congressional Research Service of historical speaker votes, see page 4 (or 7th page of pdf), last paragraph:

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL30857.pdf

Well, thought Jefferies might have had a shot at breaking a precedent, but, facts are facts. They will never do it. They would need what 5 to defect?

 

[MrSquished]

More bridges burn for no other reason than to appease the shitheads.

When you try to appease the shit heads you are a shithead.