House Speaker election/circus/all ages carnival - ongoing coverage

[Brainonska511]

You're not intellectually lazy so why are you asking me, you already know the answer -- right?

tl;dr don't associate someone with intellectually lazy only to follow up with a question. If you ask me one more question I'm sending you an invoice.

Don't post your thoughts on a forum if you don't want people to interact with them.

 

[Charmonium]

Doesn't McHenry remind you a little of Leslie Jordan?

 

[Bitek]

Kevin should have taken an MSF course on navigating hazards

Ruh roh..

 

[Zor Prime]

Don't post your thoughts on a forum if you don't want people to interact with them.

DM / PM me with any questions you have if it genuinely means that much to you. I doubt it does. But if it does, I'll be here!

 

[NWRMidnight]

How is it, that we can elect people into congress, the Presidency, and if they do a shitty job, we the voters have no way to remove them from office other than wait till the next election. Yet, congress can chose to vote to remove a shitty majority leader anytime they chose. Not only that, the only way for a President/Congress member to be removed completely is thru impeachment which required 2/3 vote.. why is it that they have to power to elect a speaker, and then can remove him anytime with only majority vote? Shouldn't they at least require a 2/3 vote to remove them from that seat? Shouldn't we the people at least have some avenue to also remove Congress members/president that do a poor job, that does not rely on congress, or require to wait till the next election cycle? Shouldn't Congress be stuck with the same rules, they can only oust a speaker during normal election cycles, or at the very least require 2/3 vote to oust him? Just a thought..

 

[Jaskalas]

Shifting is taking from one thing and placing / moving / reallocating it to another thing. I didn't shift blame. Everyone is to blame. And honestly, I don't really give two shits -- not even one shit, I just want the market to crash.

Crashed market is one sure fire way to shitcan Biden.

 

[Brainonska511]

How is it, that we can elect people into congress, the Presidency, and if they do a shitty job, we the voters have no way to remove them from office other than wait till the next election. Yet, congress can chose to vote to remove a shitty majority leader anytime they chose. Not only that, the only way for a President/Congress member to be removed completely is thru impeachment which required 2/3 vote.. why is it that they have to power to elect a speaker, and then can remove him anytime with only majority vote? Shouldn't they at least require a 2/3 vote to remove them from that seat? Shouldn't we the people at least have some avenue to also remove Congress members/president that do a poor job, that does not rely on congress, or require to wait till the next election cycle? Shouldn't Congress be stuck with the same rules, they can only oust a speaker during normal election cycles, or at the very least require 2/3 vote to oust him? Just a thought..

Recall elections would be a disaster.

The bigger issue is structural - our institutions are anti-majoritarian: needing super majorities to do stuff, "majorities" that don't reflect real political majorities, an excessive number of veto points (particularly at the state level - why do you need 2 legislative houses at the state level?), primaries that caterer to low turnout partisans, off cycle and excessive elections, etc...

 

[Charmonium]

Trump for speaker?

I think at some point in the distant past I knew this but the Speaker doesn't have to be in Congress.

 

[MrSquished]

anybody who blames both sides for this and just wants the market to crash is a jackwagon of the highest order

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Trump for speaker?

I think at some point in the distant past I knew this but the Speaker doesn't have to be in Congress.

Correct however he’d never have enough R support to do it.
Also note how silent the former President is about what’s going on, it’s painfully obvious he gives no fucks about it unless they can make his legal troubles go away.

 

[Charmonium]

@Fanatical Meat - Yeah, that's as much of a pipe dream (nightmare?) as the ball gag.

He's gotta understand by now how screwed he is - criminally, civilly, there's probably even a Galactic Police warrant out for him.

And it's not like there's any place he can run.

I criticize DD for being an idiot but he's actually more like an idiot savant specializing in personal survival.

 

[zinfamous]

Shifting is taking from one thing and placing / moving / reallocating it to another thing. I didn't shift blame. Everyone is to blame. And honestly, I don't really give two shits -- not even one shit, I just want the market to crash.

Unfortunately nickqt is pretty much correct, but one can hope!

no, everyone is not to blame. This is plainly obvious.

why are you inventing shit that is easily refutable by simply opening your eyes and ears?

 

[HomerJS]

Know what GOP can do but they wont

Nominate Liz Cheney

 

[zinfamous]

What Pelosi probably said and meant, was that McCarthy would have to throw some bones to the Democratic Party to hold up the bargain. When he decided he wanted to be a huge MAGA-adjacent shithead, the Democratic Party told him where he could stick that commitment.

Also, McCarthy isn't exactly known for his, shall we say, veracity and ability to hold up bargains, so I'll take what he says with some big bucket of salt.

I'm going to go with Kevin McCarthy was lying.

Because that's what he does. He's a fucking lying prick.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

no, everyone is not to blame. This is plainly obvious.

why are you inventing shit that is easily refutable by simply opening your eyes and ears?

Exactly, whose fault is it Kevin put together such a cobbled agreement that anyone at anytime can file to vacate him? Who put unqualified shitheads in positions of power so Kevin could have the speakership? Who forced Kevin to go on major news stations and shit on Democrats whom he needed to at minimum vote “present” to allow him to keep his speakership? Who forced Kevin not to offer an olive branch across the isle to get a few votes?
Pretty obvious who & what is at fault here.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Know what GOP can do but they wont

Nominate Liz Cheney

She’d need Democratic votes however she may get just enough. She’d absolutely have to promise something good in return.

 

[zinfamous]

Correct however he’d never have enough R support to do it.
Also note how silent the former President is about what’s going on, it’s painfully obvious he gives no fucks about it unless they can make his legal troubles go away.

honestly this would be brilliant: put Trump up for vote, keep tabs of all the republicans that don't support him and watch them get primaried in the next election. .

....er maybe that is bad because it just means they will be replaced by even shittier people (which is now somehow possible these days)

 

[eelw]

Know what GOP can do but they wont

Nominate Liz Cheney

Sure constitutionally, she’ll be far better. But policy wise, she actually voted with the orange monkey more than the crazy MAGAtards like Gaetz or MTG. So hard pass.

 

[Indus]

anybody who blames both sides for this and just wants the market to crash is a jackwagon of the highest order

Ooh how much have you invested?

500k?

 

[evident]

Democratic party finally grew a fucking spine. Would have been one thing if Kevin said he was willing to work with them but he told them to fuck off, which i still don't understand why he would have done this. terrible strategy but maybe i'm missing something. Hopefully jefferies ends up as the speaker somehow? wishful thinking

 

[NWRMidnight]

Crashed market is one sure fire way to shitcan Biden.

You mean like what would have happened starting in 2019 if the feds didn't prop it up by dumping trillions into it in 2019 and 2020?

Also, a crashed market would destroy most people's retirement. Not a good thing for anyone. I know it wasn't you suggested/wanting a crash.

 

[Jaskalas]

You mean like what would have happened starting in 2019 if the feds didn't prop it up by dumping trillions into it in 2019 and 2020?

Don't drag poor 2019 into this mess.
The pandemic and our emergency response began March 2020. With the "two weeks" delusion.

 

[Zor Prime]

no, everyone is not to blame. This is plainly obvious.

why are you inventing shit that is easily refutable by simply opening your eyes and ears?

So easily refutable that it happened so fast nobody saw it.

 

[gothuevos]

Democratic party finally grew a fucking spine. Would have been one thing if Kevin said he was willing to work with them but he told them to fuck off, which i still don't understand why he would have done this. terrible strategy but maybe i'm missing something. Hopefully jefferies ends up as the speaker somehow? wishful thinking

While I suppose it's fun to yell "GOP in disarray" for awhile longer...I'm sort of struggling to see the bigger play here?

Technically more Democrats voted to out McCarthy than Republicans - from an optics standpoint (if there is mass chaos, shutdown, etc), this can easily be turned on them. Or at least you know the GOP will try.

Jeffries said he wanted the GOP to distance itself from the MAGA faction - but doesn't booting McCarthy enable them even more? They got what they wanted.

It's like those 2022 midterm ad buys by Democrats promoting the MAGA candidates in GOP primaries - sure they seem unelectable but it's a gamble. They're pretty much ceding GOP control to the MAGA diehards now, and eventually they will get their hands on more and more levers of government.

Not saying McCarthy was a great guy or an effective Speaker, but seems like there are much worse options on the very near horizon. Not seeing the 3D chess here.

 

[MrSquished]

While I suppose it's fun to yell "GOP in disarray" for awhile longer...I'm sort of struggling to see the bigger play here?

Technically more Democrats voted to out McCarthy than Republicans - from an optics standpoint (if there is mass chaos, shutdown, etc), this can easily be turned on them. Or at least you know the GOP will try.

Jeffries said he wanted the GOP to distance itself from the MAGA faction - but doesn't booting McCarthy enable them even more? They got what they wanted.

It's like those 2022 midterm ad buys by Democrats promoting the MAGA candidates in GOP primaries - sure they seem unelectable but it's a gamble. They're pretty much ceding GOP control to the MAGA diehards now, and eventually they will get their hands on more and more levers of government.

Not saying McCarthy was a great guy or an effective Speaker, but seems like there are much worse options on the very near horizon. Not seeing the 3D chess here.

McCarthy was catering to the MAGA crowd and literally broke almost any promise he made. Remember the whole 2 year debt ceiling crisis Biden and McCarthy made a deal on earlier this year? And look where we were last week again. Why on earth would you expect the Dems to bail out a liar on the biggest issues when he was catering to the extremists? How on earth can you blame the Dems? The long play is LOOKING AT THE FACTS. Those are the facts. And to point out this never happened with a Dem majority. Just like a government shutdown never happened on the Dem watch. Pound the facts. That's the long play.

Basically what it comes down to is most likely the Repubs will not coalesce around a speaker, and some will have to cut a deal to nominate someone Dems will help them vote in. Who on earth is going to vote in someone that appeases the Gaetz wing of the party now that they've experienced it. Not enough Republicans.