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Lifer
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I could be wrong but the next speaker is likely Nancy Mace. She's got the John McCain independent maverick thing going for her and her district likely won't kick her out for this vote.

The more Trump hates her, the more popular she'll become with never trumpers and donors.
 
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JEDI

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What's the thinking behind allowing the Speaker that got fired to name the person in charge of electing another speaker?

Why not let the Clerk of the House run it, like s/he did back in Jan when the new session started?
 

GodisanAtheist

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While I suppose it's fun to yell "GOP in disarray" for awhile longer...I'm sort of struggling to see the bigger play here?

Technically more Democrats voted to out McCarthy than Republicans - from an optics standpoint (if there is mass chaos, shutdown, etc), this can easily be turned on them. Or at least you know the GOP will try.

Jeffries said he wanted the GOP to distance itself from the MAGA faction - but doesn't booting McCarthy enable them even more? They got what they wanted.

It's like those 2022 midterm ad buys by Democrats promoting the MAGA candidates in GOP primaries - sure they seem unelectable but it's a gamble. They're pretty much ceding GOP control to the MAGA diehards now, and eventually they will get their hands on more and more levers of government.

Not saying McCarthy was a great guy or an effective Speaker, but seems like there are much worse options on the very near horizon. Not seeing the 3D chess here.

-Very salient point BUT If the replacement is not a sack of crap and works with Dems and non-maga pubs to secure the speakership Dems can accomplish the same thing without McCarthy.

Next person up to bat basically knows they HAVE to work with Dems cause MAGA has played their hand.

Edit: Hell I know the scenario of a Jeffries speakership has been floated but the alternative, a Pub speaker who has somehow more Dem votes than Pub votes is also a possibility however remote.
 
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Pohemi

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"Everyone is to blame" is an intellectually lazy cop-out.

And why would you want the market to crash?
no, everyone is not to blame. This is plainly obvious.

why are you inventing shit that is easily refutable by simply opening your eyes and ears?

Pay no mind to Zor. He posts idiotic, inflammatory lies with the evidence level of Taj or manbaby postings.

Pages back I started quoting him to reply, but after seeing all his posts in the last few pages, I decided it's not even worth it. He doesn't argue in good faith and isn't honest about reality.
 

NWRMidnight

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Don't drag poor 2019 into this mess.
The pandemic and our emergency response began March 2020. With the "two weeks" delusion.
You might want to go check your facts. The feds dumped nearly 1 trillion into the stock market from September 2019, to January 2020. (It was just shy of 1 trillion, something like $890 billion).
 
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Jaskalas

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While I suppose it's fun to yell "GOP in disarray" for awhile longer...I'm sort of struggling to see the bigger play here?
To make it real.
To send shockwaves through the Republican establishment that they are NOT safe while in bed with MAGA.
To force Republicans to !@#$ or get off the pot.

We are forcing them to choose, civility or madness.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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You might want to go check your facts. The feds dumped nearly 1 trillion into the stock market the last half of 2019, to January 2020.
Oh, non Congressional action.
I must say I was not aware of or paying much attention to the Fed's actions this time around.
I counted them moving $22 trillion during 2008-2009. None of it seemed to amount to anything. They play with currency all the time.


Sure, the "Fed" should be watched like a hawk and made to answer to Congress. But given the frat house Congress is turning into, maybe we need to go back to the basics before involving Congress in anything cerebral. The mice will play while the cats are away.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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You mean like what would have happened starting in 2019 if the feds didn't prop it up by dumping trillions into it in 2019 and 2020?

Also, a crashed market would destroy most people's retirement. Not a good thing for anyone. I know it wasn't you suggested/wanting a crash.
Daily reminder of all the congressmen and women that cashed out before the crash.
 
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Lifer
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Sure constitutionally, she’ll be far better. But policy wise, she actually voted with the orange monkey more than the crazy MAGAtards like Gaetz or MTG. So hard pass.

She wouldn't have a vote though.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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I could be wrong but the next speaker is likely Nancy Mace. She's got the John McCain independent maverick thing going for her and her district likely won't kick her out for this vote.

The more Trump hates her, the more popular she'll become with never trumpers and donors.

Unlikely that it would be someone so junior.

I'm betting it's Scalise.
 

dank69

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Some Texas R is going to nominate Trump. Hannity says Trump is open to it, likely because he has no idea how much work it will be and because he likely thinks it will help him get out of legal trouble. Too bad for him Republicans passed a rule against people with indictments becoming speaker. Then again, we know Republicans don't think rules apply to them.
 
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eelw

Lifer
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What's the thinking behind allowing the Speaker that got fired to name the person in charge of electing another speaker?

Why not let the Clerk of the House run it, like s/he did back in Jan when the new session started?
The speaker makes a list of his 5 replacements if he’s incapacitated. So the pro tempore takes over. But since the house voted to vacate the chair, it’s a lame duck temporary speaker. But line of succession still applies. As for selecting next speaker, his voice still carries influence. Provided party follows his selection.
 

Amused

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Some Texas R is going to nominate Trump. Hannity says Trump is open to it, likely because he has no idea how much work it will be and because he likely thinks it will help him get out of legal trouble. Too bad for him Republicans passed a rule against people with indictments becoming speaker. Then again, we know Republicans don't think rules apply to them.

The Qtards are currently wetting their panties over this on social media.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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It’s not about an actual vote, it’s the policies that she’ll bring to the floor.

I think that'll likely be pretty consistent across any of the possible/likely GQP candidates. Scalise/Jordan/Emmer/etc are all going to bring 99.999999999% of the same things up for vote.
 
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The speaker makes a list of his 5 replacements if he’s incapacitated. So the pro tempore takes over. But since the house voted to vacate the chair, it’s a lame duck temporary speaker. But line of succession still applies. As for selecting next speaker, his voice still carries influence. Provided party follows his selection.
From what I was reading, most experts and Congress read the succession statutes narrowly, and thus the line of succession actually moves now to the Senate Pro Tempore, because the Speaker's spot is technically empty and the placeholder person doesn't really have powers of the speaker. But I don't know why we're really speaking about that, given that there is a perfectly healthy vice president.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Some Texas R is going to nominate Trump. Hannity says Trump is open to it, likely because he has no idea how much work it will be and because he likely thinks it will help him get out of legal trouble. Too bad for him Republicans passed a rule against people with indictments becoming speaker. Then again, we know Republicans don't think rules apply to them.

But if it does happen.. it solves 1 problem.

He'll have to give up his SS detail as he takes up another government job.. just like Hillary did.
 

fskimospy

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The Qtards are currently wetting their panties over this on social media.
Someone nominated him the first time around too and it didn’t go anywhere.

Trump is probably more inclined to try it now as he might think it will help delay his criminal trials, but getting to 218 seems challenging for him, especially considering the number of republicans who just defied him on the CR.
 
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Someone nominated him the first time around too and it didn’t go anywhere.

Trump is probably more inclined to try it now as he might think it will help delay his criminal trials, but getting to 218 seems challenging for him, especially considering the number of republicans who just defied him on the CR.
Also, nothing like trying to show the American people that you can govern and be above the drama like nominating and electing the Ringleader of Fools to be speaker.
 
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fskimospy

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Also, nothing like trying to show the American people that you can govern and be above the drama like nominating and electing the Ringleader of Fools to be speaker.
It would also be bad news for his election bid I imagine. The public really dislikes Trump’s antics and he would be back in the spotlight doing them every day.
 

K1052

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Scalise and Jordan seem to be early favorites.

House Dems should spend their time lining up several discharge petitions they can amend at will for whatever needs to get done (Ukraine, CR, etc) that they can find a few R votes for and would pass the Senate. The GOP House majority is non-functional and will be for the rest of this Congress.
 

K1052

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It would also be bad news for his election bid I imagine. The public really dislikes Trump’s antics and he would be back in the spotlight doing them every day.

Reminding much of the country on a near daily basis that they really don't like him at all would totally own the libs.
 
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eelw

Lifer
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From what I was reading, most experts and Congress read the succession statutes narrowly, and thus the line of succession actually moves now to the Senate Pro Tempore, because the Speaker's spot is technically empty and the placeholder person doesn't really have powers of the speaker. But I don't know why we're really speaking about that, given that there is a perfectly healthy vice president.
Oh are we even talking that far? We were talking about person who is holding the gaval during the speaker nomination process.