House set to begin formal impeachment hearings

[woolfe9998]

Does anyone know if limiting the scope of the "impeachment inquiry" to the Ukraine issue alone means that this is the only issue they intend to impeach on? If so, I think it's a huge mistake.

 

[Maxima1]

Does anyone know if limiting the scope of the "impeachment inquiry" to the Ukraine issue alone means that this is the only issue they intend to impeach on? If so, I think it's a huge mistake.

I have no idea, but it's obviously a redux of 2016. Why toss the rest aside to just look at Ukraine? Not even the several obstruction charges Mueller conclusively proved? It's almost like some Democrats want to protect the Republicans from complete destruction, which I'm sure some Democratic donors are probably crapping bricks at the prospect of eliminating the legislative filibuster. Some of their phrasing is irritating as well. Examples below. I already know Biden is in that camp.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177571841612951552

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176876088011702273

 

[woolfe9998]

I have no idea, but it's obviously a redux of 2016. Why toss the rest aside to just look at Ukraine? Not even the several obstruction charges Mueller conclusively proved? It's almost like some Democrats want to protect the Republicans from complete destruction, which I'm sure some Democratic donors are probably crapping bricks at the prospect of eliminating the legislative filibuster. Some of their phrasing is irritating as well. Examples below. I already know Biden is in that camp.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177571841612951552

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176876088011702273

No, it's a political strategy of Pelosi, and not a very good one IMO. The key to her is how quickly they can get through the process, because she believes any impeachment process during an election year will be perceived as entirely political. I think there are many variables affecting political outcomes, and she is putting too much weight on one. I agree we don't need a bunch of investigatory hearings about the Russia stuff at this stage because we've already had tons. But we've got to impeach on every crime or abuse of power. I don't care if it takes us into March instead of December.

The right is already trying to play this as the dems never believed in any of that Russia stuff anyway, because if they had, they'd impeach on that too. They sort of have a point if the dems aren't going to impeach on everything they have.

 

[dawp]

Keep telling yourself everything will be ok. We will keep laughing at you.

he keeps shitting on his own dinner and eating it up.

 

[dawp]

It has happened!! Too bad for those in the way of Justice -- View attachment 11319

someone should change the label on the fan to read trump

 

[dawp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177335312084799518

lololololo. when it rains it pours.

curiouser and curiouser

 

[dawp]

Yeah, that is another scary possibility. Trump (along with the GOP) could start a needless war in order to make the claim that we can't afford to weaken the Commander in Chief in these trying times. I can hear their talking points already, 'Yes, we find what Trump did to be alarming, but we think it is more important right now to show a strong front against our enemies than to punish the President for some campaign finance violations'

kind of a 'wag the dog' scenario?

 

[dawp]

Yeah the plan of bringing Pence down with him is far too complex of a plan for the President to follow.
The President is just a whiny snowflake who can’t accept any blame. He will divert to every single person in the world.
I’m not kidding, he would even throw @SlowSpyder under the bus.

I don't think he's capable of doing that intentionally, but unintentionally, all bet are off.

 

[dawp]

I think Pence would make a fine president. He could still do 8 years after finishing Trumps presidency, right?

there is a real possibility of trump taking him down too.

 

[interchange]

curiouser and curiouser

Cohen is the kind of witness that would be really useful in court to establish an understanding of how Trump operates to bust those crying "no quid pro quo!". However, if Republicans get their chances to attack him politically I think he's too useful for them to use the circus-making defense again. I really hope that, when things really get underway publicly, they do this with lawyers and not congresspeople in 5 minute blocks.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Does anyone know if limiting the scope of the "impeachment inquiry" to the Ukraine issue alone means that this is the only issue they intend to impeach on? If so, I think it's a huge mistake.

According to Pelosi this is all about the complaint, however I don't think it likely that it will remain so. My hope is that this is a launching point and with Trump and his minions tactics it is probably wise to keep things unannounced until the last minute.

So in the end I don't know, but for now it's the complaint.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

According to Pelosi this is all about the complaint, however I don't think it likely that it will remain so. My hope is that this is a launching point and with Trump and his minions tactics it is probably wise to keep things unannounced until the last minute.

So in the end I don't know, but for now it's the complaint.

I’m going to guess it doesn’t matter
Remember how White Water went from being a question about a land deal, to finances, to who used what mode of transportation to BJs & DNA.
Seems like the house can investigate in anyway it wants.
Unlike most on this board I’m not going to claim to be a Constitutional Law expert so above is just an opinion.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I’m going to guess it doesn’t matter
Remember how White Water went from being a question about a land deal, to finances, to who used what mode of transportation to BJs & DNA.
Seems like the house can investigate in anyway it wants.
Unlike most on this board I’m not going to claim to be a Constitutional Law expert so above is just an opinion.

This is true and that code word system may be accessed depending on where things lead. It might take many months, well into next year before the House can properly pass this on to the Senate.

 

[hal2kilo]

curiouser and curiouser

Damn, almost forgot about Cohen. Yea, I bet he's got some good background to share if not hard evidence.

 

[ewdotson]

Nothing to see here, just the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee playing golf with the President right after the House started an impeachment inquiry and talking about “what’s going on with the whistleblower.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177960787224223746

 

[zzyzxroad]

The great uniter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1178055467987275776

 

[Jhhnn]

Does anyone know if limiting the scope of the "impeachment inquiry" to the Ukraine issue alone means that this is the only issue they intend to impeach on? If so, I think it's a huge mistake.

Why? The charge is simple, straightforward & concise. It is against the law for any political campaign to solicit help from a foreign govt under any circumstances. Black letter law. That's been pointed out to Trump many times & many ways but he & Giuliani did it anyway. They then engaged in a cover-up & still are. That level of corruption is simply unacceptable in our system of govt.

 

[BUTCH1]

The great uniter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1178055467987275776

Wow, so laughable it's sad, even sadder is Trump's base will actually believe it. This is a rich, entitled asshole who is "watching out" for himself, notice not one speck of detail of why he's under an impeachment investigation, he knows the loyal idiots don't need one, just "Dem's are evil" is good enough for the brain-dead minion's.

 

[Jhhnn]

The great uniter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1178055467987275776

Tell them they're being attacked! It's a classic Nazi propaganda technique.

 

[zinfamous]

Wow, so laughable it's sad, even sadder is Trump's base will actually believe it. This is a rich, entitled asshole who is "watching out" for himself, notice not one speck of detail of why he's under an impeachment investigation, he knows the loyal idiots don't need one, just "Dem's are evil" is good enough for the brain-dead minion's.

yes, exactly. He hasn't mentioned a single charge that has currently been reported. Not one response to the details of the last 3 days. It's all-in on attack whistleblower (ordered his acolytes to do this with murder), and the evil Dems are doing it all. Evil! Evil! Evil! (decided that their leadership is no longer in power, because he thinks he can remove them by force of statement--dude is 4th level syphilis.)

 

[woolfe9998]

Why? The charge is simple, straightforward & concise. It is against the law for any political campaign to solicit help from a foreign govt under any circumstances. Black letter law. That's been pointed out to Trump many times & many ways but he & Giuliani did it anyway. They then engaged in a cover-up & still are. That level of corruption is simply unacceptable in our system of govt.

Yes, but the question isn't whether the current scandal is enough. The issue is holding Trump accountable for everything. And politically speaking, it's also about perception: we have been making noises about impeachment practically since Trump took office. The perception is that we never really believed any of that other stuff was impeachable.

 

[cytg111]

At the start of this Ukraine debacle I thought to myself : This is what you get for getting rid of all the generals ... those grownups that keep you from acting on your worst impulses..
It was a matter of time before something like this would happen.

Yo Cy .. remember when you made this post a few days ago? Get a load of this :

John Kelly reportedly used to mute the line during calls with world leaders to urge Trump not to discuss sensitive topics

John Kelly reportedly used to mute the line during calls with world leaders to urge Trump not to discuss sensitive topics

The fallout over a recent call between Trump and the Ukrainian president has cast new scrutiny over Trump's previous calls with other world leaders.

www.businessinsider.com

I for one is delighted the moron managed to fire the few people who could actually keep him safe from him self.
Good job tRUmp .

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, but the question isn't whether the current scandal is enough. The issue is holding Trump accountable for everything. And politically speaking, it's also about perception: we have been making noises about impeachment practically since Trump took office. The perception is that we never really believed any of that other stuff was impeachable.

Enough for whom? The rest of it has been put on hold with bullshitting, stonewalling & wrangling in the courts. In this, the evidence of malfeasance is clear & compelling. The issue isn't holding Trump accountable for everything but rather getting him the fuck out of the Presidency. The rest can be dealt with in the future.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

A few days ago the majority were against taking action against Trump.

How quickly things change

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The great uniter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1178055467987275776

And this is why he gets nothing permanent done. Nearly everything he has done will be erased by the next President because it’s mostly executive orders.
Trump could have had such a great accomplishment list.
All he had to do was agree to immigration reform and a daca fix for a lot of wall funding. This was offered to him in his first meetup with Chuck & Nancy.
The President could have easily sold the Republican Party on immigration reform.
That first compromise could have lead to other great compromises, like infrastructure, VA system, prison reform, student debt. He literally could have gotten credit for great things but he chose not to.