House set to begin formal impeachment hearings

[hal2kilo]

BTW I posted a Chicago Trib article about Trump in a related thread. Trump said out loud that Pence called Ukraine several times so we should look at those calls too.

Pence is not legit to investigate as being possibly complicit with Trump.

A double impeachment is entirely possible.

Throw in Barr and we can make it a trifecta.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Throw in Barr and we can make it a trifecta.

I don't include him because he has no hypothetical protection as an Executive. Impeachment is moot when prison becomes a home.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Preet podcast on the whole mess. Worth anyone interested in non fake content.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Look at the sudden talk about Assad using gas on his people.

U.S. Intelligence Finds Syrian Government Conducted Chlorine Rocket Attack in May

The attack was the first confirmed violation of a chemical-weapons ban since a U.S. strike on Syria in 2018 over its alleged use of poison gas, a new assessment says.

www.wsj.com

Yeah, that is another scary possibility. Trump (along with the GOP) could start a needless war in order to make the claim that we can't afford to weaken the Commander in Chief in these trying times. I can hear their talking points already, 'Yes, we find what Trump did to be alarming, but we think it is more important right now to show a strong front against our enemies than to punish the President for some campaign finance violations'

 

[SMOGZINN]

I think that shows that the people guessing that Turmp would resign and have Pence pardon him were giving Turmp far too much credit. I don't think that thought ever entered Turmp's mind, partly because he's a moron, partly because he thinks he's untouchable, and partly because Turmp will burn down anything and everything he can if he goes down.

As I said in the other thread, this is Trump threatening the GOP. He is signaling to them that they can't trade him in for Pence, because if he is going down he is taking Pence with him and then they get President Pelosi. When Trump feels insecure he starts with the threats, like any good bully.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Yeah, that is another scary possibility. Trump (along with the GOP) could start a needless war in order to make the claim that we can't afford to weaken the Commander in Chief in these trying times. I can hear their talking points already, 'Yes, we find what Trump did to be alarming, but we think it is more important right now to show a strong front against our enemies than to punish the President for some campaign finance violations'

It's their MO over the years when a Republican president needs to deflect in a big way.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Looks like Rudy and Barr will be subpoenaed before the House Intel Committee.


I think US vs. Nixon is coming into play very soon.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Heard one of those what happens scenarios on the radio.

Apparently the House portion is set in stone as in what happens is vague but how it happens is firm.

The Senate portion isn’t so clear. The commentator was saying if the Senate does nothing it could be read as agreement with the House. Another possible weird angle could be Moscow Mitch decides to change the Senate rules to make it impossible to vote upon.

 

[JTsyo]

It's a bit of poetic justice that it's fake news that got Trump into this mess. He must have heard about the investigation in Ukraine and the Biden spin off some alt-right source. Instead of verifying or doing any work he just ran with it. Had he just checked with our own intelligence agencies, he would have been set straight. Though it's possible he was and that's why he tried Ukraine instead.

 

[JTsyo]

Yeah, that is another scary possibility. Trump (along with the GOP) could start a needless war in order to make the claim that we can't afford to weaken the Commander in Chief in these trying times. I can hear their talking points already, 'Yes, we find what Trump did to be alarming, but we think it is more important right now to show a strong front against our enemies than to punish the President for some campaign finance violations'

America First!

 

[zzyzxroad]

Did the White House just acknowledge that the perfect Ukraine call transcript was moved to secure system?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Did the White House just acknowledge that the perfect Ukraine call transcript was moved to secure system?

I think the White House Lawyers said they approved moving them all to the super secure server (appears this happened after the Presidents public bumbles with the Russian Diplomat and the other guy early on)
I don’t believe they explained the reasoning for it. As of now it appears to be a legal thing to do, just sort of shady.
Appears all of his communications are and have been on the super secure server.

 

[alien42]

It's a bit of poetic justice that it's fake news that got Trump into this mess. He must have heard about the investigation in Ukraine and the Biden spin off some alt-right source. Instead of verifying or doing any work he just ran with it. Had he just checked with our own intelligence agencies, he would have been set straight. Though it's possible he was and that's why he tried Ukraine instead.

yup, everyone should know the significance of the Russian/alt-right conspiracy that Ukraine, via Crowdstrike, meddled in the 2016 US election and then they pinned the blame on/framed Russia. IE, Russia is completely innocent here.

 

[Paratus]

Pompeo was just subpoenaed by the house.

 

[alien42]

Pompeo was just subpoenaed by the house.

i believe he was subpoenaed by three committees for documents.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

i believe he was subpoenaed by three committees for documents.

I think Barr was too
Summoned by all three

 

[SMOGZINN]

Did the White House just acknowledge that the perfect Ukraine call transcript was moved to secure system?

Yes they did, and that is another thing in the whistleblowers report that has been verified.
That also brings us to what I was talking about early. This is a grievous misuse of the classification powers. Now the House has to go into those compartmentalized information servers because the President was trying to hide his communications behind the highest levels of Top Secret classifications.

 

[ewdotson]

The subpoenas included a notice that, "Your failure or refusal to comply with the subpoena shall constitute evidence of obstruction of the House’s impeachment inquiry".

I think we're at a point where they've stopped fooling around.

News Item | Permanent Select Committee On Intelligence

 

[interchange]

The subpoenas included a notice that, "Your failure or refusal to comply with the subpoena shall constitute evidence of obstruction of the House’s impeachment inquiry".

I think we're at a point where they've stopped fooling around.

News Item | Permanent Select Committee On Intelligence

This is a scary tipping point. Trump officials aren't being squirrelly. By and large their approach is to treat everything with contempt. When that starts happening, if Republican media and politicians go all in on that side, the only resolution will be violent.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Mom and dad are fighting over little Donnie.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Mom and dad are fighting over little Donnie.

They do that all the time, sort of cute how they go about it.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

They do that all the time, sort of cute how they go about it.

Yeah. Smells like a setup at this point. Lobbying for their own network gig together maybe?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah. Smells like a setup at this point. Lobbying for their own network gig together maybe?

They’ve been at it since the President was elected.
Reminds me of the bald guy who advised Bill Clinton, his wife was a conservative columnist or something. They bickered all the time.

 

[feralkid]

They’ve been at it since the President was elected.
Reminds me of the bald guy who advised Bill Clinton, his wife was a conservative columnist or something. They bickered all the time.

James Carvil/Mary Matalin.

 

[esquared]

As I said in the other thread, this is Trump threatening the GOP. He is signaling to them that they can't trade him in for Pence, because if he is going down he is taking Pence with him and then they get President Pelosi. When Trump feels insecure he starts with the threats, like any good bully.

That in itself isn't very smart, if in fact, that what the cheeto is thinking.
At least with pence as president, he could be pardoned for his Federal crimes. yes, I know
that cheeto would still have to face the SDNY crimes he probably committed, in that state.

But then, no one ever accused the orange orangutan of having any common sense.