Homosexsuals...

[tcsenter]

That was actually pretty well put! But I think you're deluding yourself in that homosexuals are incapable of expressing love through sex.

Nor did I suggest homosexuals were incapable of expressing love through sex. Only that the de facto sexual practices within gay culture, that is to say what is 'mainstream' in the gay community, would be classified as deviant even if practiced by heterosexuals; Oral-anal, rimming, anal bareback, extreme promiscuity, multiple partners and much higher rates of substance abuse (i.e. sexual aids).

How could you possibly know one way or the other?

The same way I know that persons who take a steaming dump in someone's mouth, or need to inflict pain or humiliation on another sexually, or be hurt and humiliated sexually, in order to become sexually aroused and gratified, isn't expressing nor motivated by love.

I don't claim to know, but I would say the authority on the subject are homosexuals themselves. Why don't you ask one?

Would you settle for a family member who fled a small conservative Michigan community to the epicenter of gay culture because she was a lesbian, believing she was going to the 'promise land' (in a manner of speaking), only to be utterly repulsed by gay culture; rampant substance abuse, extreme promiscuity, the deliberate pursuit of high risk sexual practices, personal and political radicalism, a generalized and far-reaching dysfunction on multiple levels, etc?

Also, I've read a number of studies and reports from the early 80s documenting the lifestyle and behavior of homosexuals in NYC, Atlanta, San Francisco, and other urban centers, back when epidemiologists and public health investigators were trying to figure out why homosexual men almost exclusively (>95%) were dying of a mysterious illness and what was causing that illness.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

That was actually pretty well put! But I think you're deluding yourself in that homosexuals are incapable of expressing love through sex.

Nor did I suggest homosexuals were incapable of expressing love through sex. Only that the de facto sexual practices within gay culture, that is to say what is 'mainstream' in the gay community, would be classified as deviant even if practiced by heterosexuals; Oral-anal, rimming, anal bareback, extreme promiscuity, multiple partners and much higher rates of substance abuse (i.e. sexual aids).

How could you possibly know one way or the other?

The same way I know that persons who take a steaming dump in someone's mouth, or need to inflict pain or humiliation on another sexually, or be hurt and humiliated sexually, in order to become sexually aroused and gratified, isn't expressing nor motivated by love.

I don't claim to know, but I would say the authority on the subject are homosexuals themselves. Why don't you ask one?

Would you settle for a family member who fled a small conservative Michigan community to the epicenter of gay culture because she was a lesbian, believing she was going to the 'promise land' (in a manner of speaking), only to be utterly repulsed by gay culture; rampant substance abuse, extreme promiscuity, the deliberate pursuit of high risk sexual practices, personal and political radicalism, a generalized and far-reaching dysfunction on multiple levels, etc?

Also, I've read a number of studies and reports from the early 80s documenting the lifestyle and behavior of homosexuals in NYC, Atlanta, San Francisco, and other urban centers, back when epidemiologists and public health investigators were trying to figure out why homosexual men almost exclusively (>95%) were dying of a mysterious illness and what was causing that illness.

You, sir, are far more versed than I in the study of homosexuality but sexual devience has what bearing on marital rights?

 

[tcsenter]

You, sir, are far more versed than I in the study of homosexuality but sexual devience has what bearing on marital rights?

That wasn't the question to which I was responding. See Post #1.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

This is really confusing me, if being "gay" isn't a defect or a disease... Than what is it exactly? Why are some people "gay" and others not? I know being gay is NOT a choice, I know a couple gay people they did not choose this.

Well there is a fair amount of homosexuality that is purely elective. Homosexuality has been and continues to be sufficiently deviant and out of the mainstream that it serves to attract the same type of persons who harbor a need or urge to engage in deviant or self-destructive behavior, be it drugs or criminality or sexual fetishes such as S&M.

The standard sexual practices for which gay bath houses are notorious have little to do with expressing love and affection, but inflicting or receiving pain, taking serious risks to one's health, reputation, or professional standing (rebelling), dominating, or being dominated. Nobody shoves their arm up someone's rectum half-way to the elbow because they want to express their love. I would add that heterosexuals are not immune from having extreme dysfunction, but heterosexuals aren't encouraged to believe their dysfunctional behavior and underlying pathology is 'normal and healthy'.

The consensus among psychologists and psychiatrists is not that homosexuality is 'normal' but that it is not curable or treatable, just as the consensus is that personality disorders are not curable or treatable. This is pretty much true for all sexual fetishes or severe personality dysfunction stemming from underlying pathology, such as people who cannot become sexually aroused unless their partner is wearing high heels, or has big smelly feet, or takes a big steaming dump on their face or in their mouth, etc. etc. or is of the same sex.

Damn, I thought you were talking about Blacks. Their whole situation is all f#cked up too, right? All the men in jail and the women and kids on welfare. Wow, now I see it's choice. Heck, I wonder why all them sickos that choose being gay didn't just choose to paint themselves black, mug their neighbors and rob banks.

 

[tcsenter]

Damn, I thought you were talking about Blacks. Their whole situation is all f#cked up too, right? All the men in jail and the women and kids on welfare. Wow, now I see it's choice. Heck, I wonder why all them sickos that choose gays didn't just choose to paint themselves black, mug their neighbors and rob banks.

Well in the sense that a culture of money and material worship (bling bling), emulating if not celebrating criminals, a penchant for over-dramatizing, a mentality of victimhood and entitlement, a rejection of personal responsibility (i.e. supporting one's children), class envy, and actually desiring to sound backwards and ignorant when one speaks, all are choices that have nothing to do with one's skin color, then you could just as well make the same observations in other groups.

behavior is behavior

behavior is not skin color

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Damn, I thought you were talking about Blacks. Their whole situation is all f#cked up too, right? All the men in jail and the women and kids on welfare. Wow, now I see it's choice. Heck, I wonder why all them sickos that choose gays didn't just choose to paint themselves black, mug their neighbors and rob banks.

Well in the sense that a culture of money and material worship (bling bling), emulating if not celebrating criminals, a penchant for over-dramatizing, a mentality of victimhood and entitlement, a rejection of personal responsibility (i.e. supporting one's children), class envy, and actually desiring to sound backwards and ignorant when one speaks, all are choices that have nothing to do with one's skin color, then you could just as well make the same observations in other groups.

behavior is behavior

behavior is not skin color

Come on, how can it be that all choosing to be degenerates are choosing to be either down beat black or sexually gay?

A thinking person might just conclude that, far from being a choice, this pathology is the result of being particularly put down by the wider society. We have a need out of our own feelings of worthlessness to make target groups feel that way and then we are sickened when we see what we have done to them. It is the nasty habit of people whose hidden inferiority expresses itself as a need to deflect their own inner sickness by projecting it onto others and who create, thereby a perpetuation of worthless feelings. Then they can look down their noses and say, " See, there are people in the world worse than me." Man oh man I am wonderful and self righteous. The Devil is always masked as the Good. The Devil says, you need to take personal responsibility.

But you cannot take to task and hold responsible the responsibility pushers because they are completely unconscious of what they are about. When you see your own pain what pain they are in there is nothing to do but love them.

Jesus went up on the Cross to show us what it is we suffer and that in that suffering there is a resurrection.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Piobaireachd

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
God evangelism is irritating, what bunch of cooks

lol, if you're going to insult someone, at least spell it correctly. It's kooks, not cooks.
This way, you won't look like such an ass.

I thought he meant what a bunch of c0cks

 

[tcsenter]

Come on, how can it be that all choosing to be degenerates are choosing to be either down beat black or sexually gay?

So far, because the topic of discussion is homosexuality and you've introduced blacks. I will draw your attention to a statement I made earlier:

I would add that heterosexuals are not immune from having extreme dysfunction, but heterosexuals aren't encouraged to believe their dysfunctional behavior and underlying pathology is 'normal and healthy'.

You always start out seeming rational but then devolve into religious overtones complete with God, the Devil, and evil do-ers, or Astrological signs and mystic beads, things that I don't relate or speak to, so I think we're done here.

 

[Moonbeam]

M: Come on, how can it be that all choosing to be degenerates are choosing to be either down beat black or sexually gay?

tc: So far, because the topic of discussion is homosexuality and you've introduced blacks.

M: You tried to assign pejoritives to a class of people as follows:

"Well there is a fair amount of homosexuality that is purely elective. Homosexuality has been and continues to be sufficiently deviant and out of the mainstream that it serves to attract the same type of persons who harbor a need or urge to engage in deviant or self-destructive behavior, be it drugs or criminality or sexual fetishes such as S&M."

That would surly mean that because blacks are sufficiently deviate (right?) and out of the mainstream that those same types that harbor a need to engage in deviant and self destructive behavior would be painting themselves black and joining in the party there.

In other words I brought in race to clarify why your proposition is absurd. People do not choose to be gay or black and whatever statistically aberrant behavior may be the property of these two communities is far more easily understood as a result of an equal and opposite reactionary response to bigotry, hatred and violence directed at them over centuries than any ridiculous notion that they have some randomly acquired need to rebel which self selects them.


tc: I will draw your attention to a statement I made earlier:

"I would add that heterosexuals are not immune from having extreme dysfunction, but heterosexuals aren't encouraged to believe their dysfunctional behavior and underlying pathology is 'normal and healthy'.

M: The clear implication is that heterosexuality itself is OK but perversion is not which simply means that homosexuality is OK too minus its perversions.

tc: You always start out seeming rational but then devolve into religious overtones complete with God, the Devil, and evil do-ers, or Astrological signs and mystic beads, things that I don't relate or speak to, so I think we're done here.

M: Either that or talk about our own self loathing scared the pants off you.

Hehe, it's not like I haven't seen similar evasion a million times before.

Edit: You also make the mistake that everythig I said was directed at you or couldn't be said in secular terms or that the truth works for you and not the other way round.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: loki8481
just gotta lay this out there... even if homosexuality is a 100% conscious and deliberate choice, so what?

They are going to hell with their choice, and bringing us with them. Isn't that obvious? Sheesh.

If God is that petty we're ALL screwed.

 

[Piobaireachd]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Piobaireachd

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
God evangelism is irritating, what bunch of cooks

lol, if you're going to insult someone, at least spell it correctly. It's kooks, not cooks.
This way, you won't look like such an ass.

I thought he meant what a bunch of c0cks

lol, perhaps..

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Piobaireachd

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Piobaireachd

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
God evangelism is irritating, what bunch of cooks

lol, if you're going to insult someone, at least spell it correctly. It's kooks, not cooks.
This way, you won't look like such an ass.

I thought he meant what a bunch of c0cks

lol, perhaps..

I admit that is kind of funny

 

[CptFarlow]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: ntdz
It's a genetic defect. Very simple.

genetic difference, yes.

Genetic difference,yes, very true. Defect, no. There is nothing wrong with it. I have a simple solution for people who do not like homosexuals, don't be homosexual.

Now, my gf has been with another girl before, does that make her gay? No. Not when it is one or two times. When it is a continuous relationship, then yes.

I'm happy people are finally accepting homosexuality openly. One of the biggest problems though are all of the religious people who are taking life seriously. Calm down, as long as its not hurting you, what do you care?

 

Originally posted by: CptFarlow1
Now, my gf has been with another girl before, does that make her gay? No.

I'd like to see proof. Do you have this on film?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: CptFarlow1
Now, my gf has been with another girl before, does that make her gay? No.

Have YOU been with a girl before?

 

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: CptFarlow1
Now, my gf has been with another girl before, does that make her gay? No.

Have YOU been with a girl before?

Hahahahahahahahaha

Freaking owned, mortgaged, and foreclosed!

 

[tooltime]

that is a tough topic to comment on. it's difficult to say. i don't know any gay men but a few years back i did work with two. they were ok people at work but it seemed you could tell they were gay the moment you met them

 

[Archman]

 

[Archman]

I find this funny, I used to get hit on by men all the time when I worked downtown, and yet it didn't bother me, and a lot of them thought I was a homosexual as well because I was slim and trim, dressed well, and wasn't bothered by getting hit on by men. I actually had one guy hit on me for a month, and he kept alluding to something... he finally came up to me one day and said to me point blank, "You're not Gay are you?"...

I chuckled and said no... he was so shocked because most heterosexuals that get hit on get mad and upset, and I did neither. It doesn't bother me, and whatever you want to do that makes you happy, do it... unless you are hurting, being cruel, or abusive to your partner... I am not up for seeing two men sharing themselves, that has no interest for me, I'd rather watch paint dry, and that is my personal preference, but two women get my attention ... besides, in different eras of human history, homosexuality was the norm... the ancient greeks and romans to whom we owe so much of our History & Art. Different strokes for different folks.

Now on a weird note, I read a newpaper artiicle in the new newspaper/tabloid "DOSE"... apparently in the Netherlands beastiality has been legal since 1944, unless you can prove that the animal did not have a good time... I just about fell on the floor LMAO when I read this.... imagine sitting in a courtroom and examining the defendant.... "So Mr.Ed, stamp your hoof once for 'no', and twice for 'yes'... do you understand?"....

Oh my, those wacky Europeans

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: totalcommand

I can't wait till God Judges you. That will be a sight to see.

Your post is full of logical stupidity and plain old "this is the way it is, because I say so".

I have already been judged. Maybe you should read the book, before you start talking about judgement.

Romans 1:26-32

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I think you and few others need to pay close attention to verse 32. And by the way thats not from the old testament that is the new testament. And also Paul was taught by Jesus.

Paul perverted Jesus's teachings for political reasons. Just as you are a perversion of Christianity. You are deluding yourself if you think you've already been judged. You haven't even lived a full life. When the Final Judgement comes, you will be damned.

 

[ChicagoPCGuy]

Originally posted by: Archman
I find this funny, I used to get hit on by men all the time when I worked downtown, and yet it didn't bother me, and a lot of them thought I was a homosexual as well because I was slim and trim, dressed well, and wasn't bothered by getting hit on by men. I actually had one guy hit on me for a month, and he kept alluding to something... he finally came up to me one day and said to me point blank, "You're not Gay are you?"...

I chuckled and said no... he was so shocked because most heterosexuals that get hit on get mad and upset, and I did neither. It doesn't bother me, and whatever you want to do that makes you happy, do it... unless you are hurting, being cruel, or abusive to your partner... I am not up for seeing two men sharing themselves, that has no interest for me, I'd rather watch paint dry, and that is my personal preference, but two women get my attention ... besides, in different eras of human history, homosexuality was the norm... the ancient greeks and romans to whom we owe so much of our History & Art. Different strokes for different folks.

Now on a weird note, I read a newpaper artiicle in the new newspaper/tabloid "DOSE"... apparently in the Netherlands beastiality has been legal since 1944, unless you can prove that the animal did not have a good time... I just about fell on the floor LMAO when I read this.... imagine sitting in a courtroom and examining the defendant.... "So Mr.Ed, stamp your hoof once for 'no', and twice for 'yes'... do you understand?"....

Oh my, those wacky Europeans

Well, speaking from a gay male perspective because I happen to be gay, I want to THANK YOU for not getting upset or acting negatively.

For the rest of the people reading this thread, take a page out of Archman's book and read on...

I do not want to come off arrogant or superior or anything, but gay males are extremely visual. The moment gay males STOP looking at you is the day you should be married and you no longer "have it" in regards to appearance. I have a lot of heterosexual friends who now no longer object to being looked at and admired for their good looks by people of the same sex--they realize that, especially in the male/male scenario, that this is a major complement and not to be interpreted in a threatening way. Some of those straight males now VALIDATE their appearance based upon gay male opinion.

As for gay being a choice. Well, speaking from my experience, I can tell you I have absolutely no control over what I am attracted to. I have never been attraced to females, and never likely will. I have never had any desire what-so-ever to have sex with a girl, and and never likely will. In fact, the thought of sex with a female makes me want to puke. Seriously. It, to me, is just as equally abhorrent as gay male sex might be to you.

I do, however, have powerful attractions to males. There is no controlling it. I have tried (before I came out of the closet and accepted myself) to be attracted to females, but it simply does not work.

If you are a straight male and doubt me, then by all means spend a week and try to no longer be attacted to girls and and focus on males. Will it work? Will you change from straight to gay? Didn't think so. I am in the same boat.

So, gay for me at least, is certainly no choice. I can choose NOT to have sex with other males, but why should I do this? Simply because some bigots say it is wrong? And I am supposed to live MY LIFE in TOTAL MISERY and die alone just because some ancient text that I don't even believe in is pushed on me by people who refuse to believe that there can be a good, responsible, tax-paying, loving and society-enhancing citizen that is not a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP)? SCREW that.

We are on this planet for a very brief period of time. What might be after is for me open for debate. I will not spend my life trying to appease other's opinions about how I should live my life, just to make someone else more comfortable with their own prejudices.

Also, for those who have not noticed, the younger generations are much more accepting and embracing of people who are different than they are. This is happening with the Y Gen (Millenium generation) and younger. The ones who still have problems accepting something different than they are are older Gen X'ers, Baby Boomers, and Veterans (over 65). When those generations are DEAD AND GONE, the world will be a better place for those of us who have to put up with homophobia.

For those who want to actually not offend a gay person by trying to endear yourself, here are some tips:

1. Don't say "I know some gay people, and they seem to be good." That is the same thing as saying "I know some black people, and those ones are OK."
2. Don't say "I don't care what you do in your own bedroom, that is your business" (in reference to gay in general). DO NOT marginalize my sexuality by saying it is something for the bedroom. I am totally gay--the whole person. For the record, I don't care what you do in your bedroom either.

I do my best to NOT come off bitter or hateful towards people who are intolerant, because that actually makes me lesser of a person. But, a good vent now and then...

 

[Archman]

Originally posted by: ChicagoPCGuy
Well, speaking from a gay male perspective because I happen to be gay, I want to THANK YOU for not getting upset or acting negatively.

For the rest of the people reading this thread, take a page out of Archman's book and read on...

I do not want to come off arrogant or superior or anything, but gay males are extremely visual. The moment gay males STOP looking at you is the day you should be married and you no longer "have it" in regards to appearance. I have a lot of heterosexual friends who now no longer object to being looked at and admired for their good looks by people of the same sex--they realize that, especially in the male/male scenario, that this is a major complement and not to be interpreted in a threatening way. Some of those straight males now VALIDATE their appearance based upon gay male opinion.
...
We are on this planet for a very brief period of time. What might be after is for me open for debate. I will not spend my life trying to appease other's opinions about how I should live my life, just to make someone else more comfortable with their own prejudices.

Hey, I totally agree, it was funny when I used to work downtown... not only were there guys constanlty giving me looks or trying to ask me out on a date, a lot of good looking women were as well... so yes, if a man is hitting on you, then take it as a compliment, because if men find you "hot" or good looking, women do as well, generally they have similar tastes from my experiences Heck, I had a few women ask me if I was a model... go figure talk about an ego boost.

Heck I'm just laid back about the whole thing, why stress over someone's sexual preference??? I mean, seriously, aren't we supposed to be educated people that live in North America (Canada & US) that are not supposed to opress?

What annoys me are the people that whine and complain and say being Gay is bad... seriously, WTF??? Where's the proof, show me studies, not just one study but as many as you can. All I seem to get are biblical references or hersey in response... good people are good people regardless of their skin colour, ethnicity, sex, sexual preference, etc...

Grow up and get over it if you're a homophobe...

 

[Archman]

If someone thinks that by assuming I'm a homosexual that it is an insult... Sometimes I'll goof around and throw it back at them by hitting on them, and my friends will laugh their asses off because I've just made the person trying to insult me uncomfortable... damn is it funny

Women are bang on about my heterosexuality, but men sometimes are wondering or try to hit on me... compliments is what those are

Anyways, that's all I have to say... it is frustrating to see anyone get picked on for whatever reasons... so excuse the rant

cheers

 

[newParadigm]

Being gay is a choice that goes against the biologigical use of the reproductive organs of the body. Thats ironic infact, reproductive organs will never reproduce anything in a gay relationship.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: newParadime
Being gay is a choice that goes against the biologigical use of the reproductive organs of the body. Thats ironic infact, reproductive organs will never reproduce anything in a gay relationship.

I like the quote you have there in your signiture:

Never criticize a man until you've walked amile in his shoes, because, by tehn, you're a mile a way, and you have his shoes.

It seems pretty pertinent here.