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This is really confusing me, if being "gay" isn't a defect or a disease... Than what is it exactly? Why are some people "gay" and others not? I know being gay is NOT a choice, I know a couple gay people they did not choose this.

I've been told it's like being "alcholic" some people are just more suspectible to becoming a alcholic than others....

Hopefully someone can help me out here..
 
My favorite color is green, what is yours...
It's all in preference, it's not a disease, illness, addiction or anything like that.
It's a preference that has been seen in nature and throughout our history.
Fortunately it is getting to be publically accepted and people are able to freely discuss how they truly feel.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
My favorite color is green, what is yours...
It's all in preference, it's not a disease, illness, addiction or anything like that.
It's a preference that has been seen in nature and throughout our history.
Fortunately it is getting to be publically accepted and people are able to freely discuss how they truly feel.
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I don't think people are born with liking a certain color... hmmm
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Stunt
My favorite color is green, what is yours...
It's all in preference, it's not a disease, illness, addiction or anything like that.
It's a preference that has been seen in nature and throughout our history.
Fortunately it is getting to be publically accepted and people are able to freely discuss how they truly feel.
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I don't think people are born with liking a certain color... hmmm
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That's a great opinion, what if i say people are born into liking a color...
Wow, i countered your point just like that...lamest argument ever...

Nobody really knows what you are born with or not born with when it comes to psychological preference. I guess you just have to accept it.
 
I doesn't still make sense to me. There has to be some kind of explanation of why guys want to do guys and girls want to do girls. How does this idea get into their heads.
 
Are you religious?...how did religion get in your head?
Or better, why are you conservative/liberal?
How do you determine morality?
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Are you religious?...how did religion get in your head?
Or better, why are you conservative/liberal?
How do you determine morality?
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Not religious, it's illogical and the existance of a god hasn't been logically proven to me.
Depends what the issuse is, I am conservative on somethings and liberal on others. Generally more liberal as it's a general I see it's general the correct choice for certain issuses.

Good Quesiton, I don't know.
 
I don't think theyll ever know. Can you explain why you are attracted to people, and I'm not talking about physical traits. It's not like most people give it a lot of thought beforehand, you either are attracted to somoene or you're not. You don't say to yourself, "should I find this person attractive or not"

I also don't believe it's a choice, cuz what kid would choose to be gay? and as an adult they'd know better and choose not to be. TBH, more turn gay as adults than flip-flop the other way
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I know a couple gay people they did not choose this.
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Well, I guess that settles it. :disgust:

There is a very low incidence of homosexuality among Asians. I guess they lack the "gay gene".

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed?
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Actually, there have been one or two genes isolated that are more associated with homosexuality. There is high, but far from perfect concordance in 'twin studies', suggesting a genetic prevalence, but not a genetic imperative.

The best explanation seems to be variable genetic prevalence coupled with early childhood experiences; most research suggests that sexual orientation is set well before puberty.

The ex-gay movement would be quite the joke if it didn't destroy so many lives.
 
Originally posted by: rickn
I don't think theyll ever know. Can you explain why you are attracted to people, and I'm not talking about physical traits. It's not like most people give it a lot of thought beforehand, you either are attracted to somoene or you're not. You don't say to yourself, "should I find this person attractive or not"

I also don't believe it's a choice, cuz what kid would choose to be gay? and as an adult they'd know better and choose not to be. TBH, more turn gay as adults than flip-flop the other way
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Why are you attracted to some people? Its the way our brains store information. We find people that are "attractive" resemeable our fathers (assuming you're female). We also find that the more symmetrical a person is the more attractive a person is.

Besides, phyiscal things... Simaller interestings obiviously...

Whats werid is that art discourged to be symmetrical.
 
From the link I posted:

What causes homosexual desire?

If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field. Important factors, however, seem to fall into four categories. As with so many other odd sexual proclivities, males appear especially susceptible:

1. Homosexual experience:
any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it is a first sexual experience or with an adult
any homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported childhood sexual involvements with elementary or secondary school teachers (5).

2. Family abnormality, including the following:
a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother
an absent, distant, or rejecting father
a parent with homosexual proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the same sex
a sibling with homosexual tendencies, particularly one who molests a brother or sister
the lack of a religious home environment
divorce, which often leads to sexual problems for both the children and the adults
parents who model unconventional sex roles
condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle? welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into the family circle

3. Unusual sexual experience, particularly in early childhood:
precocious or excessive masturbation
exposure to pornography in childhood
depersonalized sex (e.g., group sex, sex with animals)
or girls, sexual interaction with adult males

4. Cultural influences:
a visible and socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites curiosity and encourages exploration
pro-homosexual sex education
openly homosexual authority figures, such as teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported that their first homosexual experience was with a teacher)
societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable behavior
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I know a couple gay people they did not choose this.
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Well, I guess that settles it. :disgust:

There is a very low incidence of homosexuality among Asians. I guess they lack the "gay gene".

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed?
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The VAST majority of homosexual will tell you it is NOT a choice.

Take your bible thumping bs somewhere else.
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They may not choose to be attracted to people of the same sex, but they certainly choose to have sex with them.

And besides, since when does what people say about their lifestyle take precedence over scientific facts on the matter?
 
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
They may not choose to be attracted to people of the same sex, but they certainly choose to have sex with them.

And besides, since when does what people say about their lifestyle take precedence over scientific facts on the matter?
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Apparently since reading the link Rip posted, where that is the 'evidence' offered.

And what is wrong with choosing to have sexual relationships with people you are attracted to? Don't forget - not all homosexuals are promiscuous, and not all heterosexuals are monogamous, so you aren't going to get far with that sort of argument.
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
I doesn't still make sense to me. There has to be some kind of explanation of why guys want to do guys and girls want to do girls. How does this idea get into their heads.
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Because when you were a little boy, your parents told you that you should like little girls. That is all.

Why would it not be a choice? Being homosexual requires action, and actions require choices.

Personally, I would prefer that the gay movement embrace the choice argument. The genetic argument basically tells people that we have no freedom whatsoever in our lives, which is BS.

As for this "why would anyone choose to be gay?" argument, that's about as homophobic as anything that could be possibly imagined.
 
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I know a couple gay people they did not choose this.
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Well, I guess that settles it. :disgust:

There is a very low incidence of homosexuality among Asians. I guess they lack the "gay gene".

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed?
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The VAST majority of homosexual will tell you it is NOT a choice.

Take your bible thumping bs somewhere else.
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They may not choose to be attracted to people of the same sex, but they certainly choose to have sex with them.

And besides, since when does what people say about their lifestyle take precedence over scientific facts on the matter?
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How is a gay indiviual's opinion not scientific evidence?
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Tabb
I doesn't still make sense to me. There has to be some kind of explanation of why guys want to do guys and girls want to do girls. How does this idea get into their heads.
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Because when you were a little boy, your parents told you that you should like little girls. That is all.

Why would it not be a choice? Being homosexual requires action, and actions require choices.

Personally, I would prefer that the gay movement embrace the choice argument. The genetic argument basically tells people that we have no freedom whatsoever in our lives, which is BS.

As for this "why would anyone choose to be gay?" argument, that's about as homophobic as anything that could be possibly imagined.
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In the world today, is it easier to be gay, or straight? Have you ever been fired for being straight? Beaten up? Denied the opportunity to marry your lover? The argument follows from homophobia, but it isn't itself 'homophibic'.

As for the choice argument, besides being incorrect according to the best available evidence, it is inconsistent: If you are attracted to girls, but do not have sex until you are married, would you say that you don't become heterosexual until your wedding night? Pure bullshit.

 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Tabb
I doesn't still make sense to me. There has to be some kind of explanation of why guys want to do guys and girls want to do girls. How does this idea get into their heads.
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Because when you were a little boy, your parents told you that you should like little girls. That is all.

Why would it not be a choice? Being homosexual requires action, and actions require choices.

Personally, I would prefer that the gay movement embrace the choice argument. The genetic argument basically tells people that we have no freedom whatsoever in our lives, which is BS.

As for this "why would anyone choose to be gay?" argument, that's about as homophobic as anything that could be possibly imagined.
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In the world today, is it easier to be gay, or straight? Have you ever been fired for being straight? Beaten up? Denied the opportunity to marry your lover? The argument follows from homophobia, but it isn't itself 'homophibic'.

As for the choice argument, besides being incorrect according to the best available evidence, it is inconsistent: If you are attracted to girls, but do not have sex until you are married, would you say that you don't become heterosexual until your wedding night? Pure bullshit.
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:roll:

People do lots of things that cost them everyday, like be an asocial arrogant asshole, but we don't say that people are born that way, do we?

What kind of sexuality then is a geeky nerd who never leaves his parent's basement, never loses his virginity, and jerks off to internet porn his whole life? And more to the point, was he born that way?
Your argument crumbles to dust.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
:roll:

People do lots of things that cost them everyday, like be an asocial arrogant asshole, but we don't say that people are born that way, do we?

What kind of sexuality then is a geeky nerd who never leaves his parent's basement, never loses his virginity, and jerks off to internet porn his whole life? And more to the point, was he born that way?
Your argument crumbles to dust.
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It depends what kind of porn now, doesn't it? If it's kiddie porn, you and I would both call him a pedophile now, wouldn't we... Reports of my argument's death are greatly overblown...

If you have the choice between two roughly equivalent options, all else being equal, do you choose the one that makes life harder for you?

Originally posted by: Rhin0
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: ntdz
It's a genetic defect. Very simple.
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genetic difference, yes.
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DEFECT.
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Based on the evidence, you're all wrong😉

There are probably genetic correlates to homosexuality, but you can be homosexual or not, with or without those genes (proven through identical twin studies).

Oh, and Rhin0: congratulations on a life filled with hate.
 
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