Holder's Ballot Given to Young Man

[FerrelGeek]

The only voter fraud in this article is from a right wing reporter. You can't break the law just to demonstrate you can get away with it.

Investigative reporters do this frequently enough. Like the ones that go out and prove how easily it is to illegally purchase a handgun, etc.

 

[monovillage]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/04/us-indiana-white-idUSTRE8130FS20120204


You were saying?

Or is that not "noteworthy" enough?

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/01/02/naacp-worker-sentenced-to-prison-for-voter-fraud/

Sorry, not noteworthy enough to make more noteworthy press.

Or unless you seek out a story appearing at The Daily Caller but otherwise receiving no coverage by the national media. Matthew Vadum reports:

[A]n NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme.

In … April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee.

Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts, but Circuit Court Judge Charles Webster permitted Sowers to serve those terms concurrently, according to the Tunica Times, the only media outlet to cover the sentencing.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Republicans can't even run their own primaries properly so they are the last ones that should be bitching about voter fraud. Far more fraud is comitted by misshandling of ballots then dead people voting.

Yep. Just look at how the dem run boards of elections in South FL screwed things up in the 2000 election. They were the ones that layed out the butterfly ballot that became so famous.

 

[theeedude]

Investigative reporters do this frequently enough. Like the ones that go out and prove how easily it is to illegally purchase a handgun, etc.

Doesn't make it legal.

 

[theeedude]

Not surprising, Holder agrees with you.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/09/DOJ-Voter-Fraud-OKeefe

Yeah, even the O'Keefe guy agrees the situation is manufactured, there isn't proof of actual voter fraud.

 

[FerrelGeek]

You can get state ID cards if you can't / don't drive. It's not a big deal. You have to provide the same proofs of address, age, etc. as you are supposed to do with a driver's license. You get them through your local DMV. There is no good reason why anyone in the US can't get a valid picture ID.

Gotta love this argument that only dimocrats commit voter fraud especially since its was Republican Tamminy hall that pioneered the process.

Then there is the fact that many people who don't have a driver's license like my elderly mother now simply lack a picture ID. And when the idea comes up that everyone should carry a US citizenship card, the GOP goes hyperspastic in denouncing the idea as communistic. Not to mention, like any other possession, such a card can become lost or stolen.

In American politics, all parties are endless inventive in finding new ways of rigging the vote. Tactics like Gerrymandering, poll taxes, ethnic profiling, butterfly ballots, and now electronic voting machines, add rich new ways to be inventive.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Doesn't make it legal.

Never said it did, but they do it.

 

[xBiffx]

Yeah, even the O'Keefe guy agrees the situation is manufactured, there isn't proof of actual voter fraud.

The situation may be manufactured. If it wasn't it would be illegal. But you want it both ways, to call it manufactured and also claim he broke the law. Sure there is proof that fraud can happen but no fraud happened here because no one voted. The reporter took it as far as he legally could to prove a point.

I can understand you are disappointed that no law was broken here but jumping on the "it was manufactured" bandwagon doesn't make it any less probable for this to happen outside of when the camera is rolling.

 

[Jhhnn]

Have any proof of that other than you don't think its possible?

Republicans allege voter fraud- it's their job to back up their claim, not anybody else's job to prove that it doesn't exist. You claim there's a problem requiring a remedy- prove it.

Staged situations where the fraudster was thwarted are not proof- they're proof to the contrary.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Republicans allege voter fraud- it's their job to back up their claim, not anybody else's job to prove that it doesn't exist. You claim there's a problem requiring a remedy- prove it.

Staged situations where the fraudster was thwarted are not proof- they're proof to the contrary.

How was this "fraudster" "thwarted"?

Are you also against police sting operations? After all, they're often stage operations as well.

 

[xBiffx]

How was this "fraudster" "thwarted"?

Are you also against police sting operations? After all, they're often stage operations as well.

This. But we already know the police don't equal an investigative reporter so I'll throw out that counter beforehand. However, their techniques in this case are very similar. The police don't break the law either in a sting situation, they go as far as they can without breaking it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Have any proof of that other than you don't think its possible?



One word, ACORN. Sure, they got caught, but only because some people, like the person in the article, recognized the problem and acted. But it does prove that this can become rather large scale .

Misrepresenting the ACORN flap is one of the right wing's fave strawmen. ACORN ratted out their own paid signature gatherers to maintain system integrity. Prove that any such person fraudulently attempting to register actually voted.

 

[First]

Voter ID disenfranchises many, many voters. This is well documented fact. The upside of increased voter security by requiring voter ID is minimal at best, since voter fraud is not a significant problem that anyone has been able to prove. No, right-wing nuts posing as Eric Holder do not pose a significant threat to democratic elections.

None of this is controversial outside partisan hacks, btw.

 

[xBiffx]

Voter ID disenfranchises many, many lazy voters.

Fixed. I'd love for you to prove otherwise with all your documented facts.

 

[monovillage]

Voter ID disenfranchises many, many voters. This is well documented fact. The upside of increased voter security by requiring voter ID is minimal at best, since voter fraud is not a significant problem that anyone has been able to prove. No, right-wing nuts posing as Eric Holder do not pose a significant threat to democratic elections.

None of this is controversial outside partisan hacks, btw.

Thank you for this Democrat partisan hack meme from one of the biggest Democrat partisan hacks in the forum. Next time we want the official Democrat line we'll make sure to mention your name.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Voter ID disenfranchises many, many voters. This is well documented fact. The upside of increased voter security by requiring voter ID is minimal at best, since voter fraud is not a significant problem that anyone has been able to prove. No, right-wing nuts posing as Eric Holder do not pose a significant threat to democratic elections.

None of this is controversial outside partisan hacks, btw.

Such a bold statement of fact should be easy to back up, correct?

 

[FoBoT]

Is a "non-photo" ID (such as a utility bill) really an ID?

it is if that state that decided on that standard put it into their law

each state's legislature/governor get to decide on the content of their (or lack of such law) voter laws

 

[kage69]

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/01/02/naacp-worker-sentenced-to-prison-for-voter-fraud/

Sorry, not noteworthy enough to make more noteworthy press.

I agree, some lady working for a county's NAACP committee isn't any where near as noteworthy or egregious as THE INDIANA SECRETARY OF STATE getting busted for fraud, perjury and theft while acting as the State's Election chief.

While it's good Ms. Sowers had to face the music for her deeds, she serves as a piss poor analog to the example I provided. Maybe if her crimes were more substantial and she held a powerful position within government the comparison would work better.

To be clear, I'm not saying the Dems are without examples of corruption. I'm saying you guys look like partisan tools of the highest order decrying fraud committed by pissants, while ignoring and/or excusing worse fraud committed by those in more powerful and relevant positions - while maintaining that "your side" stands for security, equality and rule of law.


my $0.02...

 

[FuzzyBee]

it is if that state that decided on that standard put it into their law

each state's legislature/governor get to decide on the content of their (or lack of such law) voter laws

Well, obviously. If a state declares that every yellow bird in the state was a duck, would every yellow bird in that state therefore be a duck?

I'm asking "common sense" - not "by the law".

 

[FerrelGeek]

Voter ID disenfranchises many, many voters. This is well documented fact. The upside of increased voter security by requiring voter ID is minimal at best, since voter fraud is not a significant problem that anyone has been able to prove. No, right-wing nuts posing as Eric Holder do not pose a significant threat to democratic elections.

None of this is controversial outside partisan hacks, btw.

BS, pure and simple.

 

[Jhhnn]

Wingnuts allege that bigfoot exists, challenge the world to prove otherwise. Call for massive bigfoot dragnet. Story at 10.

Same with communists in the State Dept, Iraqi WMD's, Iranian Nukes, Obama's birth certificate, and voter fraud.

 

[monovillage]

I agree, some lady working for a county's NAACP committee isn't any where near as noteworthy or egregious as THE INDIANA SECRETARY OF STATE getting busted for fraud, perjury and theft while acting as the State's Election chief.

While it's good Ms. Sowers had to face the music for her deeds, she serves as a piss poor analog to the example I provided. Maybe if her crimes were more substantial and she held a powerful position within government the comparison would work better.

To be clear, I'm not saying the Dems are without examples of corruption. I'm saying you guys look like partisan tools of the highest order decrying fraud committed by pissants, while ignoring and/or excusing worse fraud committed by those in more powerful and relevant positions - while maintaining that "your side" stands for security, equality and rule of law.


my $0.02...

My point is that voter fraud exists. In some cases it gets almost zero coverage in the press (my example). Wanting to strengthen security to prevent it is plain common sense.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Wingnuts allege that bigfoot exists, challenge the world to prove otherwise. Call for massive bigfoot dragnet. Story at 10.

Same with communists in the State Dept, Iraqi WMD's, Iranian Nukes, Obama's birth certificate, and voter fraud.

But it doesn't include man-made global warming, right?

 

[monovillage]

Wingnuts allege that bigfoot exists, challenge the world to prove otherwise. Call for massive bigfoot dragnet. Story at 10.

Same with communists in the State Dept, Iraqi WMD's, Iranian Nukes, Obama's birth certificate, and voter fraud.

I guess you missed the accurate stories, pictures, DNA, blood samples and other evidence that have been collected in the stories about voter fraud from both Democrats and Republicans.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Thats great and all, but please produce a study that has demonstrated that voter fraud has even remotely influenced the outcome of an election. Lets not pretend that Republican attempts to tighten voting requirements is anything but what it really is, which is attempted voter suppression. For every 1 fraudulent vote these laws attempt to prevent, they would probably suppress 100 legitimate votes.

This argument is akin to the death penalty IMO. Even a 1% margin of error is unacceptable. Unless we adopt national ID cards in this country, which I have no problem with, these laws should not stand.