probably some worthless journalism or english degree. People who have non-technical degrees get into all sorts of fields.
probably some worthless journalism or english degree. People who have non-technical degrees get into all sorts of fields.
~31K doesn't seem *that* bad for an entry-level job, depending on the location.
I could probably live pretty decently on that anywhere in the US outside of the North East/Mid-Atlantic or any major metro area.
I think it would've been good for you to work the line for awhile. I worked on a line while in college, and it sucked (Frito Lay), but it certainly made me appreciate school and the opportunities it afforded.
However, I think five weeks is a little excessive. I could see two or maybe three but five makes it seem like they really just needed extra help on the line. It was also dishonest of them to not mention it to you before you started. I would say you should've stuck with it if it was just for a couple of weeks but at five you may have gotten stuck on the line for a longer term. You probably should've kept it while you were looking for something else though.
However, I think five weeks is a little excessive. I could see two or maybe three but five makes it seem like they really just needed extra help on the line. It was also dishonest of them to not mention it to you before you started. I would say you should've stuck with it if it was just for a couple of weeks but at five you may have gotten stuck on the line for a longer term. You probably should've kept it while you were looking for something else though.
Most sales people don't know shit about the product they are trying to shovel or what it does. So I'd consider this good training regardless of the product.
MmmSkyscraper
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kranky
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Anyone who says the idea of working on the floor was fine, but it shouldn't be 5 weeks, has to concede that maybe the company has good reasons to do it for 5 weeks. We have no idea what the operation is, we don't know what they have planned, and in fact neither does the OP. The Japanese do not run their operations on whims, and it's pretty certain that they have plenty of studies to show why that part of the training is exactly 5 weeks, not 4, and not 6.
So it's pretty tough to say whether the OP was right to bail out after a couple of days, but I am leaning towards it was a dumb move.
So it's pretty tough to say whether the OP was right to bail out after a couple of days, but I am leaning towards it was a dumb move.
wheresmybacon
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You would think wrong.
Let me break down some rules for the people who are apparently in the dark on How Things Work:
Rule #1) A college degree = 6-12 months job experience, when it comes to weight with employers. If all other things are equal, the employer will take the employee with work experience over the guy with the degree 99.9% of the time. Why? Because he knows how to do the work. Degree-boy knows how to get a degree. Those are different skills.
I know a lot of collegiates think this magical piece of paper they have received is a passport to prosperity. It isn't. It just helps, sometimes. What it almost always does is give you ludicrously unrealistic expectations about compensation and lifestyle immediately out of college, because you "got a degree".
Rule 1.5: Technical degrees far outstrip fake degrees. Fake degrees include any of the following:
- Any Bachelor of Fine Arts degree
- Any BA in a science
- Any liberal arts degree
This is the classic disconnect between the academic world, which wants you to have *knowledge*, and employers giving you money (the REAL world), who want you to have *skills*. I don't care if you know it - can you DO it? Application is the name of the game.
Rule #2) You will NOT be making the average salary in your field. It's the *average* because half the people in your field make less money. That half includes you - the "new graduate" demographic. The people earning the "average" salary in your field are the people who have been in it the "average" amount of time and have the "average" amount of experience. That's how careers work.
Rule #3) If you drop out of a job after three days because you don't particularly like it, you're going to be job searching for a long damn time. Lemme letcha in on a little secret: Every job has at least a few aspects that suck. Even the ones you love. I've worked part time as a rock-climbing guide for some time now, and I love the job to the core - but guess what? Sometimes, I still have to put up with morons.
Rule #4) Remember, employers want references! That job you just dumped after three days is going to have some interesting things to tell the next place when they phone in.
Edit: I'm a college graduate with a Bachelor's of Science in Exercise Science who is currently pursuing his Doctor of Physical Therapy degree, and I approved this message.
Shouldn't that be the median salary?
A lot of jobs require a bachelor's in something, anything, before they consider you. The piece of paper is merely something you need to get before getting into the game, and it's becoming more and more expensive to obtain.
You can still get lucky and make average to above average salaries in your field if you know the right people and have the right experience. However, for every one college grad that has those things, I'm sure many don't. Most people don't make 100k by 25 like most people here at Anand.
hanoverphist
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i agree. i probably would have stuck it out, depending on the pay and the possibility of future pay. ive done far worse jobs, and i have a Bachelors as well. education doesnt guarantee a cushy job either.
For that pay, I wouldn't have stayed. I'll also just toss in that the best sales people also have the best understanding of the process that the product goes through in each department. There is no better way to understand that process than to experience it first hand. They also should have told you before you accepted the job and 5 weeks is long time in the factory. Maybe 5 weeks amongst all the departments would be more beneficial and realistic.
MichaelD
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x2. You made the right move. They wouldn't have moved you ANYWHERE. You'd have spent your life as a warehouse monkey. Not that there's anything wrong w/that; the world would not function w/o our precious warehouse monkeys. But as you said, that's NOT what you went to 4 years of college (and paid all that dough!) for.
And just as a qualifying statement; I'm not talking about the amount of MONEY he was making. I'm talking about the physical labor.
I'm an IT Monkey (SysAdmin/Tier1 support) and probably once a month I have to rack/unrack/move some damn heavy servers (ML570 anyone? :Q) But other than that, I sit at my clean little desk with my clean little keyboard and my telephone.
There's a BIG diff b/t what I do and what he was doing. Filling orders by carrying around plastic totes all day is monkey work. And BTW, I did for quite a few years when I was younger.
I worked at a plumbing supply house. You want heavy? Try cast iron sewer pipe fittings in the 4" and up sizes. I also moved office furniture. Monkey work.
That was before I got the experience I have now. I don't make six figures (yet) but I don't do monkey work anymore.
A college degree should get you an ENTRY LEVEL OFFICE JOB w/a shiny clean desk and phone. No money, but no broken back either.
I still say he did the right thing. If that's the way they do it in Japan, good for them. This isn't Japan.
Exactly....sounds like kids these days think they are entitled to whatever just because they go to college for 4 years. I just recently moved to a new job working with ERP software for manufacturing companies. A few very sharp, high paying consultants used to work on the floors, warehouse, and they are very well paid because of their knowledge and experience on the floor so they can configure the software for the shop.
SacrosanctFiend
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Mostly great points.
I disagree with your 'fake degrees,' simply because, while BA may not give you technical skills, it does show that you have a work ethic and the capacity to learn a wide-variety of things. When hiring for certain positions, this is important, and will give you a leg up over a similar candidate with only work experience (this is assuming the college grad has some work experience, related or unrelated, on his/her resume).
As for Rule #4, since it was such a short duration, he can leave that experience off of his resume. Though, I do agree overall. References are very important and you shouldn't burn bridges at your places of employment.
Not necessarily, but possibly. As I'm sure you're aware, it's highly situational, and depends on the job. Is there a wide range of compensation? In Physical Therapy, for example, there isn't much of a gap between the highest paid and lowest paid, but if you're in a field with a wide range, the median may serve you better by far in terms of pay expectancy.
The point is thus: You're going to be making less than the statistic.
And a lot of jobs don't. I don't see the massive cost-barrier that a lot of folks do in education. State schools are still, generally speaking, pretty cheap.
Agreed.
BA's are fine - but if you get a BA in a science, the employer is going to ask you point blank why not the BS in that field? I certainly would. Getting a BA in a science is just silly.
Depending on his state. In some states it's illegal to leave ANY prior employers off the app/resume if they're within the purview of the document (typically last three employers).
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