Actually, from what I've read about Lean production, Toyota (at least in Japan) makes EVERYONE work in the factory for a while at first, including salesmen and engineers.
You are telling me a CEO contributes the same as a factory worker? You are telling me a janitor in a hospital contribute the same as doctors?
If you think so, congratulations, you are a communist.
There is a hierarchy of food chain in any company, even if you are comparing two non-managerial positions. It's life, deal with it.
No, I said that a Sales Rep is no more important than a factory worker.
Congrats on the reading comprehension.
A lot of places do that. It helps the people see what they will be a part of the end product. It also helps weed out the little babies that are not team players and those that can't handle real work.
The OP did the company a favor, now they can look and find a real professional.
Cdubneeddeal
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I'm sorry OP, but you're a pussy. 30-40 lbs? I work with Japanese customers on a regular basis (All Nippon Airways, Japan Airlines, etc) it's part of their work ethic to know what they're selling and I'll tell you this, Japanese people work 10 times harder than us Americans do, hands down. A couple of years ago we were doing a first installation for one of All Nippon Airways' jets, 747 I believe. They had sent three reps from Japan to work along side us to do a first article inspection. These guys flew all the way from Japan, got in a car, and headed right to our facility which was 1.5 hrs away and worked hard all night then finally went to sleep for four hours and was back again in the morning with no bitching and no moaning. They would have gladly worked through the night.
As what was said before, you did the company a favor. You fail.
As what was said before, you did the company a favor. You fail.
Some companies do stuff like this to teach employees about the business, you certainly will learn a lot after working on the factory floor for a few weeks. I'd do it provided that I am told in writing that I will start the sales job within the five weeks you mentioned, and the commission looks promising.
I don't know what world you're living in buddy but I'd be very happy with that.
Though I am a Political Science major. . .
SacrosanctFiend
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Sounds on par with Japanese companies. This is one of the reasons why they're so successful. I've heard stories of Toyota doing this sort of thing to EXECUTIVE MANAGER level people. It's all part of this philosophy and why they're so good.
IronWing
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I voted "Yes". You landed a job at a largish company where, presumably, there would be great promotion potential and you did so with nothing under your belt but a marketing degree. You balked at spending five weeks learning the business of the company because you would have had to get your hands dirty. Maybe as you fill out applications for CC or BB you will reflect on your true position in the world. Yes, this is harsh, but you just pissed away a good job at a time when we're facing what is shaping up to be a long, deep recession.
ConstipatedVigilante
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5 weeks seems a bit much. Maybe 1 week would be okay - 1 day at each of the positions. That doesn't really sound like sales training, though. I don't see how lifting the nuts/bolts makes you a better salesman.
The Boston Dangler
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rolling on the mf'ing floor! that's classic.
edit: $14.75 / hour in Boston? prepare to spend a lot of time unsuccessfully begging for spare change.
Chaotic42
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You're not always going to get what you're promised in the interview. We had someone who was promised one thing in her interview, but they needed her somewhere else, so she was moved over there. It happens, and it's a perfectly valid reason to quit. I hope you find a job that you like better.
Nitemare
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Most janitors and factory workers don't make absolutely retarded decisions causing shareholders to lose millions while getting paid million a year to do so
then get fired after a few years and rehired by another company to make more retarded decisions while getting paid millions...
MetalMat
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Most oil field service companies (Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Weatherford, etc...) make you work in the field minimum of 2 years before you even get a chance to get out of the field. Course the money is good in the field, some some people opt to stay. Most people get out cause field work sucks.
alkemyst
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Well usually a commissioned person would include that detail...if it's 14.75 + comm that's different...it'd have to be decent though or be wrapped in a nice benefits pack.
Seriously though I am pro making college much harder to get into (again...) instead of being just an automatic extension of high school.
It's not uncommon today for the average worker to be undermined by a recent grad still living at home with no projection on moving out willing to work for whatever paid better than his best buy job while in school. It used to be the young professional would not settle for peanuts yet not expect to make what a seasoned person would.
Add this to the fact while living at home they don't push for raises/promotions and many times rather take on less responsiblity and keep status quo.
You were offered a job by a Japanese company and it seems you did not do your homework to understand their corporate culture and the Japanese way of doing business. You proved to them quite fast they did not really want you as an employee. I am a college grad x2 and I would have stayed at the job if I had taken the offer they made me, but I have studied Japanese business.
yeah.
what possible good could come from knowing the ins and outs of one of the most important parts of the company?
one of my friends from high school is making pretty close to 3 figures in a white collar position at enterprise rent-a-car. he spent his first 2 weeks after getting hired as an accountant washing cars.
what possible good could come from knowing the ins and outs of one of the most important parts of the company?
one of my friends from high school is making pretty close to 3 figures in a white collar position at enterprise rent-a-car. he spent his first 2 weeks after getting hired as an accountant washing cars.
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