Hillary the Neocon. How is the Left going to package and sell her?

[dank69]

It would be an interesting race if a Republican who was reluctant to engage in war but didn't support the domestic Democratic agenda ran against a Neoconservative minded Democrat who otherwise did.

What is this domestic Democratic agenda you speak of? Gun control and ?

 

[Texashiker]

What is this domestic Democratic agenda you speak of? Gun control and ?

NDAA

http://rt.com/usa/obama-ndaa-detention-president-288/

President Barack Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2013 on Wednesday, giving his stamp of approval to a Pentagon spending bill that will keep Guantanamo Bay open and make indefinite detention for US citizens as likely as ever.

Then there is the flood of illegals.

 

[squarecut1]

Of course, it's a two party system. The finding fathers weren't too bright when it came to developing a system of elections

I'd say the fact is that most votes don't actually matter is an even bigger flaw in the system. It is only a few votes which decide a presidential election.

I've voted for republicans in the past, but it is highly unlikely that their presidential candidate will have sane views on taxation, climate change, health policy, etc. I hope someday they come back from the woods.

Yes, it is in the interests of the country that they come back from the woods. It has increasingly become the party of the angry white male, hating just about everyone else. Their stances on various issues reflect that,

 

[squarecut1]

Quote:
President Barack Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2013 on Wednesday, giving his stamp of approval to a Pentagon spending bill that will keep Guantanamo Bay open and make indefinite detention for US citizens as likely as ever.

Change that you can believe in!

 

[feralkid]

I've no fear of Hillary becoming President. She is far too old to stand up to a debate.

Prepare to be surprised.

 

[dank69]

NDAA

http://rt.com/usa/obama-ndaa-detention-president-288/



Then there is the flood of illegals.

If you want to label something as Democratic you should use policies that are not also supported by the GOP.

 

[Texashiker]

If you want to label something as Democratic you should use policies that are not also supported by the GOP.

You asked a question, I gave you an answer.

Hillary has been part of the system for so long she has become part of the problem.

She will bring nothing new to the platform.

In the end our jobs will still be in china, the economy will still be in the crapper, the federal reserve will still be printing money for wall street, the banks will still be to big to fail.

This is not a dem or rep issue.

If we want real change we have to vote like it.

 

[nehalem256]

What is this domestic Democratic agenda you speak of? Gun control and ?

taking money from men and giving it to women.

 

[feralkid]

Thing is, you don't get to choose. The establishment does it.

You (as in the generic sense) have no voice. Your views don't matter. Your principles don't matter. You just line up to vote whatever the establishment puts up, in fear of The Right.

Thanks, Captain Bringdown.

Someone needs to go outside; get some fresh air.

Put down the Nihilist Manifesto and try to find some joy in existence.


Yeesh!

 

[feralkid]

taking money from men and giving it to toasters.

We know your thoughts before you do.

 

[Attic]

The "Left" isn't going to be packaging her as the "Left" has pretty much nothing to do with her.

What little "Left" there is in the Democratic Party will be once again wondering why no one is ever listening to them.

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks either of the Clintons are "leftists" is living in 'cloud cuckoo land'.

Agree here. Real liberals, not partisans hacks (who are winning the battles), deserve a lot better than what they are putting in office. Time to stop being duped.

If Hilary runs, she's a good chance to win. Whoever the "left" sends will win. Hilary is more of the same though, lies, lies, lies and deception or just complete lack of awareness of realities. Hilary will run. Conservative leadership is cracked and there is a split in the party, that may win some seats, it won't win a Presidential election. Repulicans in office are effectively painted as folks who will cut of their noses despite their face, and that's all an opponent needs to do, "i'm trying to help, they are trying to hurt",... "look at what they've done, look at what I propose". I hope for everyone sake that Warren runs and has effect campaign manager.

A Defining Moment for our nation, in President Bill Clinton's own words...
Remarks on the Signing of NAFTA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ooMrgXido

Listen to the first few minutes. This is the rhetoric that was used to continue drainging/sucking of jobs out of the USA. It's same tactics we see all too often. Obfuscation, conflation, and not actually taking care of folks at home thruogh effective and fair policy.

Dead broke hilary is perhaps more in the vein of someone who believes their own BS. Bill is smart enough and experienced enough to know better. So is Obama for that matter. So these people are not really liberals, they are sell outs for power.

Elizabeth Warren, is a true and intelligent Liberal, more focus needs to get on her, but not so soon as to cause her to breach under any pressure before she's ready.

 

[squarecut1]

If Hilary runs, she'll win. Whoever the "left" sends will win. Hilary is more of the same though, lies, lies, lies and deception or just complete lack of awareness of realities.

I don't think a D will win the next Presidential election. These things go around in cycles and the next turn is of an R. People seem fed up of Ds for now. In a few months, Rs will control the Senate too.

Anyway, since Hillary is going to be the D candidate, I could care less whether she wins or loses.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't think a D will win the next Presidential election. These things go around in cycles and the next turn is of an R. People seem fed up of Ds for now. In a few months, Rs will control the Senate too.

Anyway, since Hillary is going to be the D candidate, I could care less whether she wins or loses.

I'm not sure how cyclical it is. By the 2016 election the GOP will have won the nationwide popular vote for president exactly once in the last quarter century. Demographic shifts are making it considerably harder for them to win the presidency. It's certainly possible, but they start at a fairly significant disadvantage now.

As for the Republicans controlling the Senate, they seem to be slight favorites for doing that at the moment. This is in large part due to an extremely favorable Senate map for them. If the Democrats do lose the Senate this year most people find it quite likely that they will regain it in 2016. (as the map greatly favors them)

 

[jruchko]

Before you go crying about scary Republicans, remember that Hillary was defeated in the primary last time.

Her own party rejected her once, it can do so again.

You are forgetting that since she was defeated in her last primary the Supreme Court has decimated campaign finance laws. Wall Street absolutely loves Hillary, and this time around they can give her a lot more money.

The only reason Obama even stood a chance against Hillary was because campaign finance laws limited the amount of money she was able to raise from individual donors.

This article from 2007 shows what I mean.

 

[Texashiker]

I'm not sure how cyclical it is. By the 2016 election the GOP will have won the nationwide popular vote for president exactly once in the last quarter century. Demographic shifts are making it considerably harder for them to win the presidency. It's certainly possible, but they start at a fairly significant disadvantage now.

I do not know if it is because we as a people and a nation are so divided, or if the politicians are out of touch with the people, but it seems like the people are having to pick between the lesser of two evils.

Since the 1970s it seems that every president is in the pocket of wall street and big business. For the most part, the only reason why people matter is to vote puppets into office.

Whether it was Regan lowering taxes on the rich, Clinton signing free trade, the bushs doing nothing to improve the middle class, obama doing nothing to bring our jobs back, bank bailouts, clinton lowering regulations on banks,, everything is tilted against the people.

We need someone to stand up to wall street and big business, end free trade, bring our jobs back and restore the middle class.

The economy, higher education and health care should be main topics. Instead of voting for our future, people are voting about hot topics that affect them right now.

 

[squarecut1]

If Hillary is on the ticket, it will energize the Right like nothing else can. There is a visceral hatred of Clintons on the right. I personally know people who get enraged at the mere mention of a Clinton. This despite the fact that Clintons are anything but leftists. To be fair, they are nothing but a sleazy, power greedy bunch. Very greedy financially too.

By the way, Chelsea is about to pop out another future President, or has she already....

 

[trenchfoot]

I took a couple of steps back for a wider view and thought about the last ten presidents we elected. I didn't know whether to laugh my ass off or cry a sea of tears.

Hillary just adds to the tragi-comedy and cranks it up a notch.

 

[fskimospy]

If Hillary is on the ticket, it will energize the Right like nothing else can. There is a visceral hatred of Clintons on the right. I personally know people who get enraged at the mere mention of a Clinton. This despite the fact that Clintons are anything but leftists. To be fair, they are nothing but sleazy, power greedy bunch.

By the way, Chelsea is about to pop out another future President, or has she already....

I'm pretty sure that the primary thing that energizes the right is that whoever is running is a member of the Democratic Party. If you go back and look at when Obama was running both times there were lots of Republicans speaking wistfully about how if only someone reasonable like Hillary were running. Needless to say, that lasted until they thought they would have to face her in an election.

 

[theeedude]

Hillary will have to package and sell herself to the left. She forgot that last time around.

 

[squarecut1]

Paul Krugman was very supportive of Hillary vs Obama in the primary. He always thought Obama was a Republican, a view he has maintained since then.

 

[yllus]

If Hillary is on the ticket, it will energize the Right like nothing else can. There is a visceral hatred of Clintons on the right. I personally know people who get enraged at the mere mention of a Clinton. This despite the fact that Clintons are anything but leftists. To be fair, they are nothing but a sleazy, power greedy bunch. Very greedy financially too.

By the way, Chelsea is about to pop out another future President, or has she already....

The electability of Bill and Hillary after him heavily stems from the fact that they aren't your classic leftists. They're pragmatic centrists (even if that pragmatism is mostly concerned with "what views will get and keep me elected"). This isn't entirely a bad thing. I prefer pragmatists to idealists myself.

I actually think that it helps Hillary to be a known quantity. She may thus be a well-known enemy and may "energize" the right to a pitch not before seen, but there are diminishing returns and easy ripostes there ("conservatives don't like Hillary because she's a woman, as a woman, you are obliged to vote for her"). Ultimately we all know she isn't going to do anything too drastic to the country, which is not the case for someone like Rick Perry or anyone else the Republicans are likely to nominate. Voters know that.

 

[jruchko]

Paul Krugman was very supportive of Hillary vs Obama in the primary. He always thought Obama was a Republican, a view he has maintained since then.

That is funny, because even though Obama moved to the right from where he was in the Primary, Hillary is even farther right.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm pretty sure that the primary thing that energizes the right is that whoever is running is a member of the Democratic Party. If you go back and look at when Obama was running both times there were lots of Republicans speaking wistfully about how if only someone reasonable like Hillary were running. Needless to say, that lasted until they thought they would have to face her in an election.

The same was also true of McCain and the left.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What is this domestic Democratic agenda you speak of? Gun control and ?

I don't need to reply since you presume to know my mind.

 

[squarecut1]

You wonder what drives such people. Hillary has had so much fame and power and influence. She and Bill make millions off the speaking circuit. She is not a spring chicken either and perhaps not in the best of health as well

Most people in her place would take it easy. Spend time with their kid(s) and grandkid(s). Yet she is willing to put herself through the gruesome demands and schedule of a presidential election. There has to be this immense greed for power within such people. Definitely not normal human beings.