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Hillary or Donald Trump?

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I'd take Victor von Doom over Trump, for sure.

I'd say between Dr Doom and Hillary, slight edge to Hillary. Slight.

(Granted, von Doom was born in "Latveria," but I'm sure he could fix that issue. This is something Bieber would not be able to overcome)
 
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DrPizza said:
This. But, unlike the others who would vote Kardashian over Trump, uh, no. Trump's a pompous ass, but at least he's intelligent enough to run the country. Russia could start WWIII, and Kardashian would be too busy getting a manicure to push the red button.
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That's a positive for the Kardashian isn't it?

I mean it's game over if someone presses the big red button.
 
Hillary might not be the most inspiring candidate of all time, but anyone suggesting that Trump and Hillary are in the same league as far as being fit to lead this country can and will be written off as a kook in my book. Hillary is at the very least an experienced statesman who is well qualified for the job. Trump would be a national embarrassment, along with the people who would vote for him.
 
WelshBloke said:
That's a positive for the Kardashian isn't it?

I mean it's game over if someone presses the big red button.
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"Ma'am, whatever you do, don't push that big red button"

"You mean this one?"

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Moonbeam said:
No, we need a constitutional convention to change money is speech and corporations are people and a ballot where, if your primary choice for an office fails to win, your vote is transferred to your second choice. You have to make it possible for a third party candidate to get votes without your vote being subtracted from a lesser evil.

The problem is that what we need doesn't get pushed because folk are dreaming of other things. The American people need to demand election reform and only that till it happens. We have to wake up. The system is the problem and it's self-perpetuating.
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You're quite obsessed with me, aren't you?

An instant run-off system would be fantastic, a proportional system might be OK as well, but I'd still want there to be a None of the above option even in those cases.
 
TheSlamma said:
I would LOVE to see election reform

Spinning our wheels on the lesser evil for the rest of our lifetimes is a waste of time. Doesn't matter either cause the "lesser evil" still does everything they can to burden the middle class with carrying the weight of the poor and the rich.
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The devil is always in the details.

Who gets to run in a publicly funded election? Can I claim that I'm a candidate and get equal airtime on national television? Who makes the rules about what the qualifications are about who gets what money? Can't the establishment still rig the game so that we still only ever see the R and D candidates they want us to see?
 
HRC will make a good center-right President.

She's not in my top 10 list, but she isn't batshit insane, so there's that, over anyone who runs against her in the general.
 
nickqt said:
HRC will make a good center-right President.

She's not in my top 10 list, but she isn't batshit insane, so there's that, over anyone who runs against her in the general.
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The types of candidates the Republican clown car of a primary process has been producing makes you almost overlook the qualities of the democratic nominee, given how terrifying the alternative would be. After 8 years of the disaster that was Bush, followed by 8 years of racially motivated hysteria over Obama's presidency, a boring, pragmatic, establishment type candidate doesn't sound so bad.
 
Mxylplyx said:
The types of candidates the Republican clown car of a primary process has been producing makes you almost overlook the qualities of the democratic nominee, given how terrifying the alternative would be. After 8 years of the disaster that was Bush, followed by 8 years of racially motivated hysteria over Obama's presidency, a boring, pragmatic, establishment type candidate doesn't sound so bad.
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I really think Hillary Clinton is a technocrat who will get in there and work with people to solve problems. Obama's ok with the speeches and the grand ideas but we need someone to go to Washington and get things done. Republicans have acquiesced their duty to govern.
 
Mxylplyx said:
The types of candidates the Republican clown car of a primary process has been producing makes you almost overlook the qualities of the democratic nominee, given how terrifying the alternative would be. After 8 years of the disaster that was Bush, followed by 8 years of racially motivated hysteria over Obama's presidency, a boring, pragmatic, establishment type candidate doesn't sound so bad.
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You forget the raging hysteria of the Vincent Foster/David Brock era of the 1990s.

You also seem to believe that Benghazi™ won't be rehashed. Not that anyone here in reality cares, but still. It should be interesting.
 
BoberFett said:
The devil is always in the details.

Who gets to run in a publicly funded election? Can I claim that I'm a candidate and get equal airtime on national television? Who makes the rules about what the qualifications are about who gets what money? Can't the establishment still rig the game so that we still only ever see the R and D candidates they want us to see?
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My no no was only to say not enough. Since I'm obsessed with you I will let you have your no to the above. Now get busy with the reform movement. I'm pushing it in every thread where we see voter despair.
 
Who is going to build the Great Wall of America?
Trump - he knows how to stimulate the economy and create jobs with a bold construction project.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Who is going to build the Great Wall of America?
Trump - he knows how to stimulate the economy and create jobs with a bold construction projection.
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He'd probably just give up half way through and send it through bankruptcy, though.
 
dank69 said:
Challenge accepted:

Bieber vs. Trump

Go!
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Trump: declared bankruptcy 4 times
Bieber: declared bankruptcy 0 times
I'm a belieber!

I really do honestly feel that Rush Limbaugh would actually be worse than Trump.
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How many times has Rush declared bankruptcy? 5?

Between Hillary and Trump, I would pick Hillary. She's unbelievably corrupt (even Nixon didn't destroy evidence), but she doesn't seem stupid. The thought of Trump running the country is terrifying. He's probably dumber than Rumsfeld, the guy who thought Iraq could be occupied with a small number of troops even after an experience general gave an estimate of "several hundred thousand" troops being required to occupy a country the size of Iraq.
 
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I'd take Trump just to shake things up.

Hillary will give us more of the same, a sort of blend of Bush's hawkishness with a few of Obama's social policies, which I don't really mind.

I think either candidate would consolidate more power into the executive branch, which I like to see.
 
BoberFett said:
You're quite obsessed with me, aren't you?

An instant run-off system would be fantastic, a proportional system might be OK as well, but I'd still want there to be a None of the above option even in those cases.
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You stick out like a nail that needs to be hammered most of the time...
 
Can we vote for Kim Kardashian? Will she be 35 on the day of the election?

At least she'll kill ISIS and Putin with her assets, not mere words.
 
Nebor said:
I'd take Trump just to shake things up.

Hillary will give us more of the same, a sort of blend of Bush's hawkishness with a few of Obama's social policies, which I don't really mind.

I think either candidate would consolidate more power into the executive branch, which I like to see.
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Trump is a joke.
 
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