Hillary or Donald Trump?

[MongGrel]

"Ma'am, whatever you do, don't push that big red button"

"You mean this one?"

If Putin really pissed her off, she might do it on purpose.

 

[Spungo]

He also builds the best walls.

Does the wall get to declare bankruptcy?

I'd take Trump just to shake things up.

Maybe if the house and senate are 99% democrats. Then the result would be gridlock instead of whatever the hell Trump has in mind. Remember the time he said he would bring gas prices down to $2? I think he was completely serious. He really would try some shit like invade Saudi Arabia and try stealing all of their oil, completely unaware of how this could start a global war. Remember that China is the world's largest importer of oil.

I think the biggest threat Americans face is poor leadership. Every leader is preparing to fight the last war, and it leads to a false sense of superiority. WW1 started with French soldiers wearing bright colored uniforms that a blind soldier could see, and men ran across open fields just to get cut down by machine guns. WW2 started with the French assumption that tanks should be used as infantry support and be spread out across the front, so France was crushed even though the French army was quite large. The British expeditionary force was completely crushed as well. They couldn't believe how unprepared they were. In Vietnam, Americans were trying to fight something similar to WW2, but that's not how it worked. It was a war of ideology. There were no clearly defined lines of who is a friend and who is an enemy. There was no land to "capture" in a conventional sense. We ended up losing that war because our leaders didn't know how to fight that kind of war. When the first gulf war started, there was widespread concern that it would be a repeat of Vietnam. Thankfully, that turned out to be incorrect, and it was a near flawless victory. Unfortunately people expected a repeat of that during the second gulf war. The last war was easy, so this war should be easy too, right? The second gulf war was a different animal with different objectives. Much like vietnam, it was a war without clearly defined enemies. It was a war of insurgency and guerilla tactics - one that lasts a decade and slowly bankrupts the country, as all wars do eventually. The war we expected and the war we got were very different.

So where am I going with this? My point is that some of the crazier people in government are absolutely convinced we can bully the world without retaliation because we have the biggest army, the best bombs, the best tanks, the best jets, the best soldiers, and the most money. This is a very dangerous mindset because it assumes future wars are the same as past wars. If history has taught us anything, it's that war is never exactly the same. We are braced for a shooting war, but what about economic warfare? What about cyberwarfare? I really don't want a moron like Donald Trump being in charge. He seems like the kind of guy who would shoot first and ask questions later. "The Chinese hacked our computers so all of California has no drinking water? They can do that? I thought we were invincible! I would have used more caution if I thought we were vulnerable in some way!"

 

[The Day Dreamer]

This. But, unlike the others who would vote Kardashian over Trump, uh, no. Trump's a pompous ass, but at least he's intelligent enough to run the country. Russia could start WWIII, and Kardashian would be too busy getting a manicure to push the red button.

He went bankrupt twice, as far as I know.

 

[MongGrel]

He went bankrupt twice, as far as I know.

Well then you need to look at things in reality.

 

[DrPizza]

He went bankrupt twice, as far as I know.

He didn't go bankrupt (4 times) - his companies did. He used the tools of bankruptcy in a very skilled manner to come out on top, though the first time hurt him. This might be a bit of a gross simplification, but for the most part, he stopped putting his own assets up as collateral, and instead, relied on his name to secure investments. If they made money, he made money. If they were losing money... there's a saying, "when you owe $100 to the bank, that's your problem. When you owe $10,000,000 to the bank, that's their problem."

Here, I found this Forbes article that kind of summarizes it better than I did.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc...ow-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/

Here's another that explains how it benefited him: https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/...dly-file-for-bankruptcy-and-still-stay-on-top

He's a pompous ass, but he knows how to use the rules to his own advantage. In the real world, I have no idea how his business savvy and ego would translate into international relations, but I'm guessing poorly.


Hell, "Hey China, loan us $15 trillion so we can restructure our debt." "Hey China, we're bankrupt. Hahahaha!"

 

[xaero999]

Trump

Hillary is Clinton. No more Clintons, it's a passed stage.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump

Hillary is Clinton. No more Clintons, it's a passed stage.

Because the country did so bad under Bill?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Funny I'm a pretty progressive guy and its obvious that we need to tighten up the boarder with Mexico. I'm not so sure a wall would do it but I'm open to think about it. I think Trump has an interesting idea of billing Mexico for every person we send back its basically saying if you won't do your job I'll do it for you.
We also need more reasonable immigration. Are we really going to ship a Father back to Mexico & leave his family here? What does that accomplish if he is providing for them?
We need to help/pressure Mexico to be more successful then less people will come here.
Why do we send a lot of good people to Canada?
Examine the fines on businesses why do they risk hiring illegal? Do we need more enforcement & fines?
Lets all be honest we can never eliminate illegal immigration and still be America but we certainly can do better. I doubt the solution will be one action because its a complex problem.

 

[Oyeve]

Send Texas to Florida, give Texas to Mexico. Problem solved.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Because the country did so bad under Bill?

No kidding. I guess it's much like conservatives railing on the ACA. It's bad because...well it's just bad, reality be damned.

 

[The Day Dreamer]

Trump. We havent had a good presidential assassination in a long time.

This.

 

[zinfamous]

Because the country did so bad under Bill?

well, the country "did well" under Reagan, as well. But both of these assessments depend very much on where you were in line to enjoy that wealth during those eras.

It's also difficult to ignore that the two presidents most responsible for the financial collapse and recession of 2009, were Reagan and Clinton.

I like Bill and all; but he sure made some awful, disastrous decisions.

 

[soundforbjt]

well, the country "did well" under Reagan, as well. But both of these assessments depend very much on where you were in line to enjoy that wealth during those eras.

It's also difficult to ignore that the two presidents most responsible for the financial collapse and recession of 2009, were Reagan and Clinton.

I like Bill and all; but he sure made some awful, disastrous decisions.

That's because he decided to "work" with republicans.

 

[OutHouse]

Trump over Hildabeast any-day.

 

[OutHouse]

Because the country did so bad under Bill?

I voted for Bill and under no circumstances would i ever vote for his wife.

 

[OutHouse]

He went bankrupt twice, as far as I know.

so? he is now worth 10 BILLION.

 

[thraashman]

Asking if you'd rather Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is like asking if you'd rather have a burnt burger that tastes awful (Hillary) or a flaming pile of dog shit crawling with maggots while being stabbed with a soldering iron in the eye and being gang raped by donkeys on top of a pile of venomous spiders (Trump). You'd have to be so fucking stupid you don't deserve the option of making your own choice to pick Trump.

 

[Indus]

Xenophobia is going mainstream in Germany

And this is particularly interesting: Angela Merkel To Crying Teen Refugee: 'We Can't Cope' With Everyone

This is the vein Trump is tapping into.

 

[Slew Foot]

Im not sure if id choose Hillary over anyone. Id rather have Putin or Saddam or Imelda Marcos. Im thinking the line gets drawn at Stalin or Hitler.

 

[werepossum]

Asking if you'd rather Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is like asking if you'd rather have a burnt burger that tastes awful (Hillary) or a flaming pile of dog shit crawling with maggots while being stabbed with a soldering iron in the eye and being gang raped by donkeys on top of a pile of venomous spiders (Trump). You'd have to be so fucking stupid you don't deserve the option of making your own choice to pick Trump.

Ah, that vaunted proggie tolerance - if you disagree with me you don't deserve a vote.

Oh well, at least we now know how Hillary tastes. Along with the, um, depth of your imagination.

 

[BoberFett]

Xenophobia is going mainstream in Germany

And this is particularly interesting: Angela Merkel To Crying Teen Refugee: 'We Can't Cope' With Everyone

This is the vein Trump is tapping into.

No way! How dare a prosperous country control their immigration to maintain their prosperity! They should let anyone and everyone in! No rules! Down with the system!

LOL, if every first world country had unfettered immigration, those people who immigrated for a better life would soon find that better life doesn't exist.

 

[trenchfoot]

No kidding. I guess it's much like conservatives railing on the ACA. It's bad because...well it's just bad, reality be damned.

This attitude and modus operandi to lock the steering wheel hard right all originates from the time Bush II had to crawl out of the White House with his tail between his legs as the nation's economy was crashing all around him. Then, to add insult to injury, the next Repub that tried to fill in for Bush got beat by a black muslim commie no-birth-cert Kenyan.

That poured a cocktail of alcohol and sea salt into the deep wounds the Repubs suffered from Bush's failures which was then followed by a period of disbelief, denial and mourning. That was precisely when the mother of all horrors sunk in: The great Reaganomic trickle down theory, a critical load bearing plank of which the Repub Party ideology is based, was debunked in grand fashion and left the Repub Party marooned on a raft drifitng in a sea of red ink.

Not to be outdone by this nation-wide experiment gone putrid, The Repubs doubled down on this voodoo economics model and started the whole clusterfuck over again at the state level. And every time it got put into law it did what it was meant to do: make the rich richer and have everybody else pay for it.

And waddaya know, somehow Obama and the Dems gets blamed for why the economy isn't doing as well as the Repubs in Congress scammed their base into believing where it should be.

So what's a good faithful Repub to do? Well apparently, it's ignoring that a significant part of their ideology is proven failed, double-triple-quadruple down on it, keep repeating it, all while being faithful in the knowledge that sooner or later the top-down theory WILL encourage the job creators to pony up with what they've been promising for decades, and the economy WILL blossom as prophesied by the very crooks that are driving them down the economic ladder of prosperity along with the working class Dems that are pointing to the rip-off and screaming their heads off at their Repub brethren to stop taking everybody else down with them.

Or something quite like that.

 

[Indus]

No way! How dare a prosperous country control their immigration to maintain their prosperity! They should let anyone and everyone in! No rules! Down with the system!

LOL, if every first world country had unfettered immigration, those people who immigrated for a better life would soon find that better life doesn't exist.

So do we kick out all White Americans because they stole a land belonging to native Americans? They never applied for green cards, they just stole at the end of a gun.

 

[sportage]

There is an old saying "be careful what you wish for".
And Trump is that wish to be careful to wish for.
Trump is a perfectionist and believes everything he does and says is perfection, correct, not to be questioned.
What I wonder, if Trump was president and he really screwed up, like another Richard Nixon screw up, can you imagine Donald's reaction should both the people and the congress turn against him?
Is it possible for a president to round up and deport every US citizen, then fire the entire US congress?
I think Donald looks at the United States as his backyard.
And, damn-it, GET OFF MY LAWN....

 

[Zorkorist]

Hillary is a rich old lady.

That she cares anything but other than her comfort, her fame, etc.

She has no idea of today's trials and tribulations.

-John