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Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump President 2016: Who would win?

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WelshBloke said:
You want a guy in charge of your country that operates like that?
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He's an authoritarian, and Trump is the rightful authority figure that he'll support to the end.

It's how the whole authoritarian and social dominator relationship works.

Just read his posts in the other threads. Total authoritarian. Funny, and tragic, at the same time.
 
dullard said:
Like others have said, the GOP has been throwing anything they could even imagine might hurt her for 7 years now. Nothing has really harmed her. That tactic has been tried and tried and tried. Specifically what else can Trump throw at her that will actually stick?

I'm not saying that Clinton is all that great. But the idea that Trump can suddenly come up with something that hundreds of GOP operatives have tried and failed to do seems really far fetched.
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Did you predict he would do as well as he has? I did, and if you didn't I don't see why I would listen to you. Liberals. Have a specific brain defect in this area. They just can't come to grips with how average people react to emotions rather than reason. Liberals are politically brain gimped. Notice the passion gap for Clinton? Hold your nose and vote? No thanks.
 
nickqt said:
He's an authoritarian, and Trump is the rightful authority figure that he'll support to the end.

It's how the whole authoritarian and social dominator relationship works.

Just read his posts in the other threads. Total authoritarian. Funny, and tragic, at the same time.
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So your saying that hes the bottom and Trumps his top?

SP33Demon said:
If he filed for personal bankruptcy then you would have a point. However, you don't. Worrying about business bankruptcies over the course of hundreds that comprise <2% is just stupid.
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Someone that uses bankruptcy as a business tool isnt any better. He's quite happy to screw all the people that his businesses owe money to, what make you think that he wont have any second thoughts about doing it to the American people?
 
WelshBloke said:
So your saying that hes the bottom and Trumps his top?



Someone that uses bankruptcy as a business tool isnt any better. He's quite happy to screw all the people that his businesses owe money to, what make you think that he wont have any second thoughts about doing it to the American people?
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You don't understand how business reorganization petitions work. Yes, they are called that nasty word, bankruptcy. A Chapter 11 is as described:

This chapter of the Bankruptcy Code generally provides for reorganization, usually involving a corporation or partnership. A chapter 11 debtor usually proposes a plan of reorganization to keep its business alive and pay creditors over time. People in business or individuals can also seek relief in chapter 11.

This is not the same Bankruptcy an individual takes, where they can just tell the creditors to go pound sand. Chapter 7 is a complete fuck you program, where Chapter 13 is a payback program.

Trump has no personal bankruptcies, only business Chapter 11.
 
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compuwiz1 said:
You don't understand how business reorganization petitions work. Yes, they are called that nasty word, bankruptcy. A Chapter 11 is as described:

This chapter of the Bankruptcy Code generally provides for reorganization, usually involving a corporation or partnership. A chapter 11 debtor usually proposes a plan of reorganization to keep its business alive and pay creditors over time. People in business or individuals can also seek relief in chapter 11.

This is not the same Bankruptcy an individual takes, where they can just tell the creditors to go pound sand. Chapter 7 is a complete fuck you program, where Chapter 13 is a payback program.

Trump has no personal bankruptcies, only business Chapter 11.
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What he did was run up enormous debts that his businesses couldnt cover.

Isnt that what you complain that the US government keeps doing?
 
WelshBloke said:
What he did was run up enormous debts that his businesses couldnt cover.

Isnt that what you complain that the US government keeps doing?
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Of course it is. And if it's done by anyone other than the GOP front-runner they will be foaming at the mouth and fainting with anger.
 
compuwiz1 said:
You don't understand how business reorganization petitions work. Yes, they are called that nasty word, bankruptcy. A Chapter 11 is as described:

This chapter of the Bankruptcy Code generally provides for reorganization, usually involving a corporation or partnership. A chapter 11 debtor usually proposes a plan of reorganization to keep its business alive and pay creditors over time. People in business or individuals can also seek relief in chapter 11.

This is not the same Bankruptcy an individual takes, where they can just tell the creditors to go pound sand. Chapter 7 is a complete fuck you program, where Chapter 13 is a payback program.

Trump has no personal bankruptcies, only business Chapter 11.
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Personally, I don't know anything about the different forms of bankruptcy but I've invested in a few ch11 companies over the years and the one thing they have in common is that as a general rule, the equity afterwards is often worthless. Not always. But even when that's not the case, the haircut is brutal.

Also, even debtors aren't guaranteed to get all of their money back. They definitely get some but I'd want to see stats on how much they get back before I go and pat Donald on the head for being good to his investors. Also those debtors usually fall into a hierarchy so people with collateralized debt get paid first, senior debt second and everybody else gets scraps.
 
GettyRoad said:
If the general election nominees is between Republican billionaire Donald Trump versus Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2016, who would win the presidential election in your honest opinion and why? Who will win the black, white, Latino, Asian vote? Who'd be their VPs?
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IDK. I've always admitted that I've had no luck trying to predict who will their party's nomination etc.

I expressed doubt Trump would run. When he announced he would I posted that he would flame out rather quickly. I also could not imagine Southerners voting for this bombastic Northerner. Well I was wrong there as Trump has won most of the Southern states (all but TX).

I was reminded of this quote by Gandhi:

First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.
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Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/mahatmagan103630.html

I'm starting to think Trump may win.

Fern
 
Fern said:
IDK. I've always admitted that I've had no luck trying to predict who will their party's nomination etc.

I expressed doubt Trump would run. When he announced he would I posted that he would flame out rather quickly. I also could not imagine Southerners voting for this bombastic Northerner. Well I was wrong there as Trump has won most of the Southern states (all but TX).

I was reminded of this quote by Gandhi:



Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/mahatmagan103630.html

I'm starting to think Trump may win.

Fern
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Or this:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Grabbed from https://signalvnoise.com/posts/2175-all-truth-passes-through-three-stages-first
 
Hilary. Trump has unfortunately worked himself too far into a corner. a lot of people believe he's a monster. I don't
 
Fern said:
IDK. I've always admitted that I've had no luck trying to predict who will their party's nomination etc.

I expressed doubt Trump would run. When he announced he would I posted that he would flame out rather quickly. I also could not imagine Southerners voting for this bombastic Northerner. Well I was wrong there as Trump has won most of the Southern states (all but TX).

I was reminded of this quote by Gandhi:



Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/mahatmagan103630.html

I'm starting to think Trump may win.

Fern
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Just an FYI Ghandi never said that.

I don't think Hillary will blow him out as America is too partisan for that. Just look at this place, I'm quite sure there are plenty of conservatives who dismissed him as a clown who will line up dutifully to support him. That being said, he's a weak candidate that will probably lose. He's certainly the weakest candidate I could have hoped for the republicans to nominate.
 
Lets forget everything Trump has said and vote only on paper merit and fact.

most, if not all minorities already swing liberal
half of white people are democrats
thats the majority of the votes for the left already.

Trump has the backing of only 50-60% of his party at most.
Appeals to racists and the those who dislike government and the super rich

Donald Trump is a non-politician with no experience in any elected office and is part of the 1%. His business acumen is questionable. Having both many successes and failures.
Is currently being sued by many over many things.

Hillary Clinton is a former first lady, has knowledge of how the presidency works and has a husband who was president who will be able to advise her in private. Is a former senator and secretary of state. Is also rich but not as rich as Trump(i think). Has wide backing from black and latino voters. Is under FBI investigation thats not likely to result in prosecution and if it did, other democrat candidates are even more liked by voters than Clinton and even more likely to beat Trump.

Both candidates are found to be objectionable to certain people.

If you weigh only these facts, its clear that (a democrat) if not Clinton will win the election. When you add the things Trump has said in public and his general behavior its nearly impossible for him to win as he ensures a high democratic turn out for a democrat candidate that wouldnt normaly have a high turnout. He has turned democrat apathy for voting into a feverish desire to prevent him from being elected.

IMO he has no chance in hell of winning if democrats come out to vote and he is ensuring they will.
 
LPCTech said:
Lets forget everything Trump has said and vote only on paper merit and fact.

most, if not all minorities already swing liberal
half of white people are democrats
thats the majority of the votes for the left already.

Trump has the backing of only 50-60% of his party at most.
Appeals to racists and the those who dislike government and the super rich

Donald Trump is a non-politician with no experience in any elected office and is part of the 1%. His business acumen is questionable. Having both many successes and failures.
Is currently being sued by many over many things.

Hillary Clinton is a former first lady, has knowledge of how the presidency works and has a husband who was president who will be able to advise her in private. Is a former senator and secretary of state. Is also rich but not as rich as Trump(i think). Has wide backing from black and latino voters. Is under FBI investigation thats not likely to result in prosecution and if it did, other democrat candidates are even more liked by voters than Clinton and even more likely to beat Trump.

Both candidates are found to be objectionable to certain people.

If you weigh only these facts, its clear that (a democrat) if not Clinton will win the election. When you add the things Trump has said in public and his general behavior its nearly impossible for him to win as he ensures a high democratic turn out for a democrat candidate that wouldnt normaly have a high turnout. He has turned democrat apathy for voting into a feverish desire to prevent him from being elected.

IMO he has no chance in hell of winning if democrats come out to vote and he is ensuring they will.
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Trump's business acumen is not questionable. He runs a highly profitable organization with 483 businesses in it. If you think otherwise you've been brainwashed by the left Who think highlighting that less than 2% of his businesses haven't worked out. That kind of risk is par for the course in business. Trump isn't being "sued by many people for many things". Trump U is the one of the few litigation he's in because he knows he'll win the case (otherwise he would've settled). Also questioning if hillary is as rich as Trump is funny.

Reagan democrats are going for trump now who went for obama. Think about that for a second.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/donald-trump-reagan-democrats-match-made-macomb-n532836
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432528/donald-trump-michigan-win-shows-general-election-appeal

You seem to be misinformed about a lot of things, and I know that media brainwashing is strong.
 
If Hillary wants to win, I expect her to do a comprehensive portfolio check on DJT because he has fooled a great number of people thus far.
 
eskimospy said:
Just an FYI Ghandi never said that.
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Careful, telling Fern what Indian people actually say counts as racism in his book!

eskimospy said:
I don't think Hillary will blow him out as America is too partisan for that. Just look at this place, I'm quite sure there are plenty of conservatives who dismissed him as a clown who will line up dutifully to support him. That being said, he's a weak candidate that will probably lose. He's certainly the weakest candidate I could have hoped for the republicans to nominate.
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I have to say, hearing people who bashed Obama for his lack of experience in office go blue in the face supporting never-been-elected-to-anything Drumpf is pretty damn funny. :biggrin:
 
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Poll still holding over 1/3 vote for Trump in a liberal forum. None of you find this interesting? Small sample size I know, but it's a good sign that many of us can think for ourselves and aren't brainwashed by the media.
 
I am actually baffled by the delusion that many/most Trump supporters, on social media etc. seriously believe that T. would win, not only that, the he'll win by a land-slide. It's not possible and LPCTech listed most/all the known reasons.

It was ironically Trump himself who was *entirely flabbergasted* 4 years ago, and almost lost it on TV when he saw that Obama got re-elected, because he (and other conservatives) were convinced Reps will win because "Obama is such a horrible pres", there was not other logical outcome for them in their mind...

Trump supporters ARE a minority, and their loudness, shouting, enthusiasm and T's media appearances won't change that.

You CAN'T win with little support by Latinos, Blacks, WOMEN, whatever minorities and not even full support from the own party.

Heck I have ultra-conservative in-laws, picture-book Reps, they think that T. is crazy and "scary".

* All this would be "fun" and tragic, sort-of, the problem is that T. himself likely also has this delusion....and wait 'til they lose (nomination, presidency), doesn't matter, then we can hear all that crap about rigged machines etc...and I GUARANTEE you that T. will go raging and call-up on revolts and unrest. A pathological narcissist/egomaniac *CAN* not lose. There is no place in his brain for this. That people won't vote for him "in a land-slide" is inconceivable.
 
I hate to say it, but I think the thick layer of mud that trump slings would eventually cause Hillary to slip and fall. It would not be pretty.
 
flexy said:
I am actually baffled by the delusion that many/most Trump supporters, on social media etc. seriously believe that T. would win, not only that, the he'll win by a land-slide. It's not possible and LPCTech listed most/all the known reasons.

It was ironically Trump himself who was *entirely flabbergasted* 4 years ago, and almost lost it on TV when he saw that Obama got re-elected, because he (and other conservatives) were convinced Reps will win because "Obama is such a horrible pres", there was not other logical outcome for them in their mind...

Trump supporters ARE a minority, and their loudness, shouting, enthusiasm and T's media appearances won't change that.

You CAN'T win with little support by Latinos, Blacks, WOMEN, whatever minorities and not even full support from the own party.

Heck I have ultra-conservative in-laws, picture-book Reps, they think that T. is crazy and "scary".

* All this would be "fun" and tragic, sort-of, the problem is that T. himself likely also has this delusion....and wait 'til they lose (nomination, presidency), doesn't matter, then we can hear all that crap about rigged machines etc...and I GUARANTEE you that T. will go raging and call-up on revolts and unrest. A pathological narcissist/egomaniac *CAN* not lose. There is no place in his brain for this. That people won't vote for him "in a land-slide" is inconceivable.
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I'm hearing a lot of this, but not just from ultra-conservatives. It's coming from younger (under 40), more moderate people as well, who aren't die-hard conservatives yet always vote rep. They seem to hate Trump even more than Hillary.

And despite all the chest thumping by the Trump fans so far, this group has yet to be quantified. The assumption that they will vote for Trump if he is the nominee is, well, still an assumption. Some may, but hearing a bunch of conservative (to varying degrees) Texans talk about voting for Hillary tells me something is going on.
 
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