Herman Cain wins FL straw poll

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MovingTarget

MovingTarget

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GarfieldtheCat said:
oh look, another bigoted troll on P&N...shocking
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I would absolutely loooooooove to see a real muslim run for office if for no other reason than to see and expose the hate that supposedly rational people spew. Bonus points if said muslim is completely electable for every other reason aside from his religion.
 
herm0016

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Craig234 said:
You have got to be kidding. Tell me when the side you champion has 'brought us back'?
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i don't think anyone that has my views has ever been elected.

What we have now is not working, what we had before was not working.
I am ready to try something different. Ron Paul seems to be something different compared to the rest of the field, who are all run of the mill social conservatives.
 
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Cain actually has some ideas I like but then when he says stupid shit like he won't sign a bill longer than 3 pages, I realize how much of an idiot joke he really is.
 
Jaskalas

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bl4ckfl4g said:
Cain actually has some ideas I like but then when he says stupid shit like he won't sign a bill longer than 3 pages, I realize how much of an idiot joke he really is.
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He won't accept 2,000 page bills. F' yeah, I'm tired of that crap too! Write that down as another positive.

A limited government does not need thousand page bills.

A limited government is an absolute requirement!
 
trenchfoot

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Romney is the guy that has any chance of beating Obama, but it looks as if Perry will get the nod from sucking up to the TP.

However, due to Perry selling his very soul to the far rightwingers he will lose because of it. The independents who have wised up and learned their lesson outside of Texas will seal his fate.

Romney will suffer from guilt by association and the curse the Tea Party has put on him. He will lose a close race to Obama, just as Mccain did, but not for choosing the wrong running mate. <---LOL

Herman Cain? Herman Cain? Just how desperate can the Repubs get to put HIM up against Obama?

I can see him debating Obama and the whole event would turn into one big joke. It would be surreal. It would be comical. Cain would be throwing spitballs, Obama would be swinging a loaded bat and foul balls galore would be the inevitable result.

What's real anymore?

OTOH, it would be just as fascinating to watch if 'ol Spooky Eyes were in Cain's place, or Palin too for that matter.
 
rudder

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spidey07 said:
Believe it or not, I think Obama and his supporters would still claim racism if Cain got the nomination. I just like how he tells it like it is and slams Obama constantly. Cain's had my support ever since I've started paying attention to him at the start of the race.
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The term is Uncle Tom. Colin Powell was an Uncle Tom until he threw support to Obama.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/04/12/23778/-Uncle-Tom-Powell-Stumps-for-Massah-Bush

Herman Cain, because of his membership in the Republican party, will be labeled as such.
 
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zsdersw

zsdersw

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spidey07 said:
Care to make a wager on Obama losing?
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Care to wager on the next Republican president actually fixing things?

If you bet that the next Republican president after Obama will actually fix things (unemployment down to pre-financial crisis levels, significant cuts to Medicare/Medicaid/SS, no tax increases, and a balanced budget) ... even with a Republican-controlled congress... you're a fool who will soon be parting with his money.

You and others cheer for Obama to lose, welcoming any Republican with arms open and eyes closed. That's the same recipe for disaster that has gotten us into this mess, in every presidential election since The New Deal.
 
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spidey07

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zsdersw said:
Care to wager on the next Republican president actually fixing things?

If you bet that the next Republican president after Obama will actually fix things (unemployment down to pre-financial crisis levels, significant cuts to Medicare/Medicaid/SS, and a balanced budget) ... even with a Republican-controlled congress... you're a fool who will soon be parting with his money.
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I love how Liberals try to change the terms and have pretty much accepted Obama is going to lose. When even their base knows he's going to lose Obama is in a bad spot. You see every time Obama talks, people grow more and more tiered of his failed presidency and agenda.

You really should listen to Cain some more and how he lays it out on just how bad Obama is and how he simply "doesn't get it". We NEED that kind of attitude in the republican nominee, somebody who will flat out and viciously attack this president and chew the marxist out in debates. Herman Cain is just such a candidate. Stop being nice, stop trying to "be civil", the future of our country is at stake and this is a very serious time in our history.
 
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zsdersw

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spidey07 said:
I love how Liberals try to change the terms and have pretty much accepted Obama is going to lose. When even their base knows he's going to lose Obama is in a bad spot. You see every time Obama talks, people grow more and more tiered of his failed presidency and agenda.
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Consider the following:

1. I'm not a liberal.
2. I didn't vote for Obama.
3. Unlike you, I don't have faith in any one party to fix things.

You really should listen to Cain some more and how he lays it out on just how bad Obama is and how he simply "doesn't get it". We NEED that kind of attitude in the republican nominee, somebody who will flat out and viciously attack this president and chew the marxist out in debates. Herman Cain is just such a candidate. Stop being nice, stop trying to "be civil", the future of our country is at stake and this is a very serious time in our history.
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Yes yes yes... I've heard it all before. Your ideological opposites were saying many of the same things about Obama in 2008; "He's the one we need!" Attitude and speeches are one thing... how he acts in office is another. The track record for politicians, of any party, living up to their campaign rhetoric is abysmal.
 
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Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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zsdersw said:
Yes yes yes... I've heard it all before. Your ideological opposites were saying many of the same things about Obama in 2008; "He's the one we need!" Attitude and speeches are one thing... how he acts in office is another. The track record for politicians, of any party, living up to their campaign rhetoric is abysmal.
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You're correct, it's possible - even likely, that he's lying to us for his campaign rhetoric so he'll sound all warm and fuzzy. How is that different from every other candidate? If all else is equal, that's hardly a negative reason to oppose Cain. Certainly Perry and Romney are much worse in this regard.

By all accounts Cain is NOT a smooth talking snake of a politician. Dems say he couldn't debate Obama. Apparently he doesn't have a slick TV personality needed to win American idol. Hell, that'd be refreshing.

I'm not 'sold' on Cain, but he's very interesting at this point and I'll be watching him closely to see why I shouldn't vote for him. Your saying he's a politician? Not good enough. What else would you like to argue about him, that he'd be a sellout to corporate America, that he'd invade a Muslim country? He'd open the borders?

Give me something he'd do against conservatism. Something I can work with to understand why Cain shouldn't be President.
 
zsdersw

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Jaskalas said:
You're correct, it's possible - even likely, that he's lying to us for his campaign rhetoric so he'll sound all warm and fuzzy. How is that different from every other candidate? If all else is equal, that's hardly a negative reason to oppose Cain. Certainly Perry and Romney are much worse in this regard.
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It's not different at all from every other candidate. Never said it was. In fact, that's the point; there has always been a disconnect between pre-election rhetoric and post-election decisions.

By all accounts Cain is NOT a smooth talking snake of a politician. Dems say he couldn't debate Obama. Apparently he doesn't have a slick TV personality needed to win American idol. Hell, that'd be refreshing.

I'm not 'sold' on Cain, but he's very interesting at this point and I'll be watching him closely to see why I shouldn't vote for him. Your saying he's a politician? Not good enough. What else would you like to argue about him, that he'd be a sellout to corporate America, that he'd invade a Muslim country? He'd open the borders?
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For me it is. I don't have faith in anyone who held, currently holds, or seeks that office.

Just like in 2008, there will be too many people in 2012 who blindly embrace whomever tells them exactly what they want to hear, jumping from one bandwagon to another. It's the bandwagon-jumping that has gotten us into this mess.

Give me something he'd do against conservatism. Something I can work with to understand why Cain shouldn't be President.
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Why should he be president?

As for your question... not that it's relevant to the point I'm making... Cain has said in the past he "believes in affirmative action" but doesn't support quotas. That's a slick way to try to avoid being pinned on the issue by either side.

http://new.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=172858
 
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