Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: rleemhui
People have said that that receiver is the same as the 52tx. A very pricey receiver. Personally, I along with some others, don't believe this whatsoever. There has not been any tests to test the 1014 or 1015 for REAL power output. People just assume it has the same amp section as the 52tx. Personally I don't think a few features make all the difference between a receiver that costs over $1000 to one that costs $400.
With the advent of the problems with power surges killing 1014's I think that this might be something that shows that maybe my opinion might be right. A company simply cannot put out a receiver that is the SAME(at least in the most expensive section) as a much higher class receiver but charge a low price. That wouldn't be smart buisness.
Just my opinion though.
If you ask on AVS or HTF you will see most people recommend either HK or Denon when the choice is put out there, and I think the reason is simple. Quality.
Not saying the Pioneer is bad, but I don't think its up to the level of quality of a 435 or 635.
Plus I think the Pioneer is uber fugly lol.
If you like the sound of kilpsch speakers you would definitely like the Axioms. They use metal dome tweeters so they do tend to be "brighter" but then again, the HK is supposed to be "warmer" so they might balance out to a pretty neutral sound.
You can't go wrong with Axiom because they offer a trial period where you can try them in home. Not sure how long its for but they do have quite the following. If you read any professional review of them you will see that most all conclude that they have no right to sound as good as they do for the money.
But in the end, its your speakers. As long as your happy, you made the right choice. Whats right for me or Jello might not be right for you(I don't own the axioms however, I did consider them at one point before deciding to learn to make my own). Although I bet you any of these options will blow you away.
BTW most agree that the Auto setup and EQ of the HK is superior to Denon's and Pioneers equivalent offerings.
If you have any more questions, again feel free to follow up. My previous post was short because I was at work again
Note: The HK 435 and 635 have 3 component ins, and inputs in the front.
HK fanboy.
Enough said.
Lets see, I looked at each the 1014, the Denon 1905, 2105, 2805 and I analyzed which I liked best. I bought it. Its my first high end receiver.
Somehow I don't think thats equivalent to being a fanboy. I was torn between the Denon and the 435 and ended up going with the HK for its Parametric EQ. Some people love their Denon's some people love Yamaha, some love HK, some love Pioneer. Its all a matter of opinion of what you think sounds best, and what fits your needs.
Probably wouldn't call me a fanboy if I said to get the receiver you like best. Instead of doing that why don't you suggest a receiver and give your opinion on it? I think that would be more helpful. Notice I didn't trash all the other receivers, people have opinions, deal with them.
lol, relax man. I didn't think you would take it like that. I already did suggest a receiver, earlier in the thread. All you said in your 2nd post of this entire thread was:
"The HK will blow away most receivers. It has the processor of the 635 and power output is more than sufficient for even the most high end of systems. I will be picking one up shortly. It is a steal for the price. If you want you can go up to the 635 for the extra 10 watts and video upconversion, but if you ask me its not worth it, but it depends how much you can stretch your budget and what your needs are.
"
If that isn't fanboy talk, then I don't know what is.
by most I meant most ones you will find your average consumer buying. Like Sony's and such. But no, I would say it is on PAR with many brands with equivalent models such as Denon and Pioneer. The steal for the price was in regards to J&R's price versus most stores prices because they have free shipping
If you read M CODE's posts on AVSforum, he has the best way to do it. Set it at ear level. 10 inches away for near field....well I am at work, so just check AVS, or I will link when I get home.
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Just ordered the AVR-635 from Amazon.com. Sorry rleemhui, I just didn't want to regret my decision later on. I am going to be keeping this for a while.
Ordering Ascends tomorrow.
Now here is the complicated final part of my setup. I need my rears to be ear level plus 2-3' from what I've read. I have a sofa that faces the display. I also have two end tables on each side. There is some space behind the sofa but not too much since that's where my dining table sits. The end tables are really short, like 17". So what is the best way for me to mount the speakers? If I place them on the end tables alone, half of the surrounds will be blocked by the arm rests of the sofa.
I can place them on stands and squeeze them between the sofa and end tables, which would place them closer to the rear corners of the sofa. That would be a floor stand and it'd have to be pretty secure to support the weight. The downside is that it's more susceptible to getting knocked over as people walk by.
Another solution would be to get small (short) stands that sit on top of the end tables. This could work since the end tables are pretty wide. They should have enough room for both the speaker (stands) plus one lamp on each table.
Also, the surrounds have mounts that can be used to secure them to wall mounting brackets. Do they make free standing (non wall mount) brackets that have the same hole configuration? That way I can get a speaker stand that securely attaches to the speakers. I don't feel comfortable just placing them on top of a stand.
Any help would be appreciated.
Ordering Ascends tomorrow.
Now here is the complicated final part of my setup. I need my rears to be ear level plus 2-3' from what I've read. I have a sofa that faces the display. I also have two end tables on each side. There is some space behind the sofa but not too much since that's where my dining table sits. The end tables are really short, like 17". So what is the best way for me to mount the speakers? If I place them on the end tables alone, half of the surrounds will be blocked by the arm rests of the sofa.
I can place them on stands and squeeze them between the sofa and end tables, which would place them closer to the rear corners of the sofa. That would be a floor stand and it'd have to be pretty secure to support the weight. The downside is that it's more susceptible to getting knocked over as people walk by.
Another solution would be to get small (short) stands that sit on top of the end tables. This could work since the end tables are pretty wide. They should have enough room for both the speaker (stands) plus one lamp on each table.
Also, the surrounds have mounts that can be used to secure them to wall mounting brackets. Do they make free standing (non wall mount) brackets that have the same hole configuration? That way I can get a speaker stand that securely attaches to the speakers. I don't feel comfortable just placing them on top of a stand.
Any help would be appreciated.
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From your description I think putting stands on your end tables would be the best option.
I have some nasty blockage on my surround speakers happening right now, but due to needing seating for 4 people and room width, I'm pretty stuck how everything is right now.
Ascend should be able to direct you to compatable mounts.
I have some nasty blockage on my surround speakers happening right now, but due to needing seating for 4 people and room width, I'm pretty stuck how everything is right now.
Ascend should be able to direct you to compatable mounts.
Don't feel bad, the 635 is better! I just didn't find the cost affordable or worth it for me. You will just be that much happier
Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: rleemhui
People have said that that receiver is the same as the 52tx. A very pricey receiver. Personally, I along with some others, don't believe this whatsoever. There has not been any tests to test the 1014 or 1015 for REAL power output. People just assume it has the same amp section as the 52tx. Personally I don't think a few features make all the difference between a receiver that costs over $1000 to one that costs $400.
With the advent of the problems with power surges killing 1014's I think that this might be something that shows that maybe my opinion might be right. A company simply cannot put out a receiver that is the SAME(at least in the most expensive section) as a much higher class receiver but charge a low price. That wouldn't be smart buisness.
Just my opinion though.
If you ask on AVS or HTF you will see most people recommend either HK or Denon when the choice is put out there, and I think the reason is simple. Quality.
Not saying the Pioneer is bad, but I don't think its up to the level of quality of a 435 or 635.
Plus I think the Pioneer is uber fugly lol.
If you like the sound of kilpsch speakers you would definitely like the Axioms. They use metal dome tweeters so they do tend to be "brighter" but then again, the HK is supposed to be "warmer" so they might balance out to a pretty neutral sound.
You can't go wrong with Axiom because they offer a trial period where you can try them in home. Not sure how long its for but they do have quite the following. If you read any professional review of them you will see that most all conclude that they have no right to sound as good as they do for the money.
But in the end, its your speakers. As long as your happy, you made the right choice. Whats right for me or Jello might not be right for you(I don't own the axioms however, I did consider them at one point before deciding to learn to make my own). Although I bet you any of these options will blow you away.
BTW most agree that the Auto setup and EQ of the HK is superior to Denon's and Pioneers equivalent offerings.
If you have any more questions, again feel free to follow up. My previous post was short because I was at work again
Note: The HK 435 and 635 have 3 component ins, and inputs in the front.
HK fanboy.
Enough said.
Lets see, I looked at each the 1014, the Denon 1905, 2105, 2805 and I analyzed which I liked best. I bought it. Its my first high end receiver.
Somehow I don't think thats equivalent to being a fanboy. I was torn between the Denon and the 435 and ended up going with the HK for its Parametric EQ. Some people love their Denon's some people love Yamaha, some love HK, some love Pioneer. Its all a matter of opinion of what you think sounds best, and what fits your needs.
Probably wouldn't call me a fanboy if I said to get the receiver you like best. Instead of doing that why don't you suggest a receiver and give your opinion on it? I think that would be more helpful. Notice I didn't trash all the other receivers, people have opinions, deal with them.
lol, relax man. I didn't think you would take it like that. I already did suggest a receiver, earlier in the thread. All you said in your 2nd post of this entire thread was:
"The HK will blow away most receivers. It has the processor of the 635 and power output is more than sufficient for even the most high end of systems. I will be picking one up shortly. It is a steal for the price. If you want you can go up to the 635 for the extra 10 watts and video upconversion, but if you ask me its not worth it, but it depends how much you can stretch your budget and what your needs are.
"
If that isn't fanboy talk, then I don't know what is.
by most I meant most ones you will find your average consumer buying. Like Sony's and such. But no, I would say it is on PAR with many brands with equivalent models such as Denon and Pioneer. The steal for the price was in regards to J&R's price versus most stores prices because they have free shipping
Oh alright, thats cool.
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There are "large" and "small" settings on your receiver for speakers. Large means the speakers will be given a full frequency range signal to produce, while small will use the crossover to give the low end to your sub.
With Ascends you want to use small.
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Well, if you're into stereo music listening, a lot of people prefer to use just two front speakers and not use a sub.
You have to pay more to get really low bass from floorstanding speakers though compared to a system with a dedicated sub.
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That makes sense. Do you have any good guides on setup? Every guide I have seen contrasts each other. Some have the fronts toed in. Some don't. Some have the rears facing down (angled). Some have them pointing at each other, with the listener in the middle. Some use rule of thirds. Some....
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Yeah, lots of info out there and a good deal of it is conflicting.
I tried to go off the placement that Dolby has on their site, although I wasn't able to do a very good job due to my room here.
I tried to go off the placement that Dolby has on their site, although I wasn't able to do a very good job due to my room here.
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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Dolby's site? I've sen that. You can't really tell what they are trying to tell you. You can't see height. It's hard to make out angles. Or distance.
But the list the angles
Height is in the written description... and distance from listener I think should be as close to equal as you can, although I'm sure your 635 has distance adjustment options.
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Originally posted by: rleemhui
nope
Not true, you wil def. need the SPL meter ( as I suggested on AVS for ya).
Ascend 340's LCR (awesome), jbls for sides & rears, SVS 16-46PC+ and a Pio 1014. VEEERRYYYYYY happy witht his setup. Only thing eventually is to swap out JBL rears and sides for Ascends, but that won't happen anytime soon.
BTW, took me 10mn to tweak with the SPL meter and Avia and sounds MUCH better then MCACC did on it's own with the Ascends. On my old JBL's it was fine.
BTW, 635 is nice unit (lots of quality issues tho, MANY MNAY). That was out of my budget and I am quite happy with my Pioneer (very actually).
I believe the 635 will auto eq the sub where the 435 will not.
I used to use the MCACC auto EQ featue with my old JBL 80's and EC35. Def improved their sound. No way I would use the auto eq (eq, not distance settings) for the Ascends. Just doesn't sound anywhere near as good. Remember, the Ascends are as flat and nuetral as you are going to get (without spending HUGE$$$), so why color them with eq?
I believe the 635 will auto eq the sub where the 435 will not.
I used to use the MCACC auto EQ featue with my old JBL 80's and EC35. Def improved their sound. No way I would use the auto eq (eq, not distance settings) for the Ascends. Just doesn't sound anywhere near as good. Remember, the Ascends are as flat and nuetral as you are going to get (without spending HUGE$$$), so why color them with eq?
Originally posted by: rleemhui
People have said that that receiver is the same as the 52tx. A very pricey receiver. Personally, I along with some others, don't believe this whatsoever. There has not been any tests to test the 1014 or 1015 for REAL power output. People just assume it has the same amp section as the 52tx. Personally I don't think a few features make all the difference between a receiver that costs over $1000 to one that costs $400.
With the advent of the problems with power surges killing 1014's I think that this might be something that shows that maybe my opinion might be right. A company simply cannot put out a receiver that is the SAME(at least in the most expensive section) as a much higher class receiver but charge a low price. That wouldn't be smart buisness.
Just my opinion though.
If you ask on AVS or HTF you will see most people recommend either HK or Denon when the choice is put out there, and I think the reason is simple. Quality.
Not saying the Pioneer is bad, but I don't think its up to the level of quality of a 435 or 635.
Plus I think the Pioneer is uber fugly lol.
If you like the sound of kilpsch speakers you would definitely like the Axioms. They use metal dome tweeters so they do tend to be "brighter" but then again, the HK is supposed to be "warmer" so they might balance out to a pretty neutral sound.
You can't go wrong with Axiom because they offer a trial period where you can try them in home. Not sure how long its for but they do have quite the following. If you read any professional review of them you will see that most all conclude that they have no right to sound as good as they do for the money.
But in the end, its your speakers. As long as your happy, you made the right choice. Whats right for me or Jello might not be right for you(I don't own the axioms however, I did consider them at one point before deciding to learn to make my own). Although I bet you any of these options will blow you away.
BTW most agree that the Auto setup and EQ of the HK is superior to Denon's and Pioneers equivalent offerings.
If you have any more questions, again feel free to follow up. My previous post was short because I was at work again
Note: The HK 435 and 635 have 3 component ins, and inputs in the front.
Actually, you are incorrect once again, go search some old posts @ ht forums.
As a matter of fact, the only difference between the 52tx and the 1014 was the rs232 port and slightly different capacitors in the amp section. Everything esle was pretty much identical.
The 1014 was tested powerwise and did put out a TRUE 100 watts per (RMS).
Go look it up.
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That a PB10 you have there?
Nice, I was going to get one, then decide I wanted to step up to a 20-39PCi (once the wife said she liked the cylinders better), then I found the used 16-46PC+ on audiogon.
Wanna take a guess and see if I like the 16-46PC+
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