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YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: mboy
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: sygyzy
So you guys think the AutoEQ is sufficient? Hmm that really saves me alot of hassle.

Should be fine. I'm happy with how my auto eq 1014 sounds.


YOyoYOhowsDAjello

That a PB10 you have there?
Nice, I was going to get one, then decide I wanted to step up to a 20-39PCi (once the wife said she liked the cylinders better), then I found the used 16-46PC+ on audiogon.

Wanna take a guess and see if I like the 16-46PC+ :D

1. Yes, PB10

2. Uhhhh... yes? :p I bet you like it.

I ran the idea of a cylinder by my gf and she said they looked cute, then I showed her this pic and she did a jaw drop. She thought the cylinder subs were like a foot and a half tall or so.
My PB10 definately doesn't look so huge near my new center anymore though... so a future upgrade may be possible.
I'm quite happy with it now, and if I want extra rumbles for movies I have my bass shakers.
 

mboy

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Yeah, I was prepeared for how tall the 16-46 was, just not the diamieter, It is REALLY BIG :)

Bass shakers, nice.

I have my SVS behind my sectional between where it curves and back wall (sitting on a subdud). You can see it, but does not stick out since most of it is below the top of the couch.

Gotta love those SVS subs.

I would also reco you busting out the SPL meter and do a proper calibration. It may only be off a db or 2 here and there, but for 10mn it is well worth it.

BTW, that center is HUGE :)
 

sygyzy

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What exactly does EzSet alter? If it adjusts your speaker levels, then why would you need the SPL meter?

Also, how do you place it at the listening level/position if your couch is in the way? Tripod won't work there. Do you guys actually move your funiture out of the way? That might prove difficult to me. I don't exactly have a lot of room to store a sofa temporarily.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: mboy
Yeah, I was prepeared for how tall the 16-46 was, just not the diamieter, It is REALLY BIG :)

Bass shakers, nice.

I have my SVS behind my sectional between where it curves and back wall (sitting on a subdud). You can see it, but does not stick out since most of it is below the top of the couch.

Gotta love those SVS subs.

I would also reco you busting out the SPL meter and do a proper calibration. It may only be off a db or 2 here and there, but for 10mn it is well worth it.

BTW, that center is HUGE :)

The center was pretty influencial in my decision to go with these speakers.

I thought I lost my SPL meter until yesterday when I found it behind a stack of black discs :confused:

I didn't buy a calibration DVD of any sort yet... so I guess I'd have to use the test tones from the 1014.
I'm moving all my stuff to a different location in about 3 weeks, so I'm not too enthusiastic about going to a lot of trouble to optimize everything yet.

 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
What exactly does EzSet alter? If it adjusts your speaker levels, then why would you need the SPL meter?

Also, how do you place it at the listening level/position if your couch is in the way? Tripod won't work there. Do you guys actually move your funiture out of the way? That might prove difficult to me. I don't exactly have a lot of room to store a sofa temporarily.

I put mine on a tripod between my two couches. My tripod had legs that were thin enough to fit between my couches so I didn't have to move anything.
 

mboy

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
What exactly does EzSet alter? If it adjusts your speaker levels, then why would you need the SPL meter?

Also, how do you place it at the listening level/position if your couch is in the way? Tripod won't work there. Do you guys actually move your funiture out of the way? That might prove difficult to me. I don't exactly have a lot of room to store a sofa temporarily.

My tripod sits on my couch where I sit and the spl meter is where my head would be.

I am telling you, you need the spl meter to confirm the autosetup calibrated the levels correctly, and if not, you need it to tweak them to correct settings (like I did last nite).

Oh, and if you have a parametric EQ for your sub (like my bfd), then you will need it to plot your fr so you can set the filters to eq it flat (or house curve it).

 

sygyzy

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You are not worried about reproducibility? Putting a tripod on a cushioned couch is not a good idea. Won't it fall over?

Why run the EzSet at all if you are going to correct it with the SPL? Isn't it better to just do the SPL plus Avia/DVE yourself? You'd save time.

Also, does EzSet adjust EQ too like messes with my treble and bass levels artificially?
 

mboy

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Doesn't fall over on my couch at all.

EZ setup will also set the distance for your speakers (important and my MCACC does a god job with that).

It won't adjust your treble or bass (and neither should you) mine is flat (and can't even adjust in DD or DTS).
It will eq you rspeakers, probably has 5-6 bands that it will adjust.

I think with the ascends, you will be best served to bypass the eq and run the straight without it.

To be frank with you, I will only be using MCACC for distance from now and and will rely on my trusty SPL meter and Avia to calibrate level settings.
 

Muadib

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
You are not worried about reproducibility? Putting a tripod on a cushioned couch is not a good idea. Won't it fall over?

Why run the EzSet at all if you are going to correct it with the SPL? Isn't it better to just do the SPL plus Avia/DVE yourself? You'd save time.

Also, does EzSet adjust EQ too like messes with my treble and bass levels artificially?

That's why I'd suggested using a meter, because the 2 friends of mine that have receivers with EzSet ended up changing their settings. Try just using EZSet, make note of your settings, then try Avia with a meter. I'm betting you will go with the Avia settings. I must warn you though, tweaking is very contagious.:D

 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: mboy
Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Ascend system ordered today. I have a calibration disc already (Avia).

Will I need a SPL meter if I use the AutoEQ from the HK?

nope :) Not unless you really want to.


Not true, you wil def. need the SPL meter ( as I suggested on AVS for ya).

Ascend 340's LCR (awesome), jbls for sides & rears, SVS 16-46PC+ and a Pio 1014. VEEERRYYYYYY happy witht his setup. Only thing eventually is to swap out JBL rears and sides for Ascends, but that won't happen anytime soon.

BTW, took me 10mn to tweak with the SPL meter and Avia and sounds MUCH better then MCACC did on it's own with the Ascends. On my old JBL's it was fine.

you seem to have found the need to argue with everything I said. He said "will I NEED". The answer is no, he will not NEED. He can, but many find HK's system works just fine by itself
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: mboy
Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: sygyzy
My God. The 1015 has everything going for it. It has upconversion, 3 component inputs, inputs through the front, and 120W per channel for $449 with free Fed-Ex 3 day from One Call. What am I missing here? Comparable HK would be the 625 for $700. What is going on?


People have said that that receiver is the same as the 52tx. A very pricey receiver. Personally, I along with some others, don't believe this whatsoever. There has not been any tests to test the 1014 or 1015 for REAL power output. People just assume it has the same amp section as the 52tx. Personally I don't think a few features make all the difference between a receiver that costs over $1000 to one that costs $400.

With the advent of the problems with power surges killing 1014's I think that this might be something that shows that maybe my opinion might be right. A company simply cannot put out a receiver that is the SAME(at least in the most expensive section) as a much higher class receiver but charge a low price. That wouldn't be smart buisness.

Just my opinion though.

If you ask on AVS or HTF you will see most people recommend either HK or Denon when the choice is put out there, and I think the reason is simple. Quality.

Not saying the Pioneer is bad, but I don't think its up to the level of quality of a 435 or 635.

Plus I think the Pioneer is uber fugly lol.

If you like the sound of kilpsch speakers you would definitely like the Axioms. They use metal dome tweeters so they do tend to be "brighter" but then again, the HK is supposed to be "warmer" so they might balance out to a pretty neutral sound.

You can't go wrong with Axiom because they offer a trial period where you can try them in home. Not sure how long its for but they do have quite the following. If you read any professional review of them you will see that most all conclude that they have no right to sound as good as they do for the money.

But in the end, its your speakers. As long as your happy, you made the right choice. Whats right for me or Jello might not be right for you(I don't own the axioms however, I did consider them at one point before deciding to learn to make my own). Although I bet you any of these options will blow you away.

BTW most agree that the Auto setup and EQ of the HK is superior to Denon's and Pioneers equivalent offerings.

If you have any more questions, again feel free to follow up. My previous post was short because I was at work again ;)

Note: The HK 435 and 635 have 3 component ins, and inputs in the front.

Actually, you are incorrect once again, go search some old posts @ ht forums.

As a matter of fact, the only difference between the 52tx and the 1014 was the rs232 port and slightly different capacitors in the amp section. Everything esle was pretty much identical.

The 1014 was tested powerwise and did put out a TRUE 100 watts per (RMS).

Go look it up.

I have seen tests in regards to the 52tx having put out that much power. But I have never seen a true test of the 1014 or 1015. If you have one I would really like to see it because I actually have looked for it before.



 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: mboy
Doesn't fall over on my couch at all.

EZ setup will also set the distance for your speakers (important and my MCACC does a god job with that).

It won't adjust your treble or bass (and neither should you) mine is flat (and can't even adjust in DD or DTS).
It will eq you rspeakers, probably has 5-6 bands that it will adjust.

I think with the ascends, you will be best served to bypass the eq and run the straight without it.

To be frank with you, I will only be using MCACC for distance from now and and will rely on my trusty SPL meter and Avia to calibrate level settings.


The EQ adjusts for room EQ. Something that every type of speaker could use as all rooms have some sort of(usually negative) affect on the SQ. So he should use this if he likes the results.
 

mboy

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Eq's the room to what baseline? Unless he is using RTA, he will not be able to determine if the EQ is doing it's job to totally eq all speakers flat. With the Ascends, I BET he likes it beter without EQ.

As far as tests for the 1014, go back about 9 months to a year on hometheaterforums.com, there was a lengthy thread about it.
 

spidey07

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wow. Would love to help but with the misinformation spewing forth it will be impossible.

My advice. Save your money for a real home theater and don't try and piece one together bit by bit.

2000 bucks should get you some speakers...we can start from there.
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: mboy
You seem to have found the need to provide inaccurate information.

Nothing I said was inaccurate. He asked if he needed an SPL meter. And the truth is no you don't. The purpose of EZset is to do this without the need for one, and it will do the job fairly well, might a SPL meter be more accurate? Possibly. But does it warrent needing one? No. I found the EZset, to be very accurate with the settings for each channel and yes, I checked it with a SPL meter.

Sorry that your receiver didn't do a good job, doesn't mean that this one is the same way. Nor does it mean that your, or any other receiver, doesn't do a good job with auto-calibration for most people
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: mboy
Eq's the room to what baseline? Unless he is using RTA, he will not be able to determine if the EQ is doing it's job to totally eq all speakers flat. With the Ascends, I BET he likes it beter without EQ.

As far as tests for the 1014, go back about 9 months to a year on hometheaterforums.com, there was a lengthy thread about it.

It EQ's the speakers to a nearfield baseline by analyzing each speakers freq. resp. characteristics and comparing them to the far field characteristics. I am glad you think he will like the ascend's better without the EQ, but how about you let him decide what is best to his ears. You don't own the receiver he will be getting so you have no experience with how the EQ will sound nor how good of a job it will do with his setup. I dont' care if you give your opinion, but claiming I was wrong with what I said just because you have a difference in opinions wasn't necessary.

BTW, I checked out that thread, which I have read before, and I see no tests of the 1014. I don't care that they have tested the 52tx. I see those results and I can completely agree with them. But I am interested in proof that the 1014 can put out 100 watts RMS as you said. Until I see a test of the 1014, or the 1015, its just a guess to me that it can.
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: spidey07
wow. Would love to help but with the misinformation spewing forth it will be impossible.

My advice. Save your money for a real home theater and don't try and piece one together bit by bit.

2000 bucks should get you some speakers...we can start from there.

No please, go ahead I wanna hear this...

Not everyone has tons of money to spend on HT. $2000 is more than enough to get a very nice home theater.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: spidey07
wow. Would love to help but with the misinformation spewing forth it will be impossible.

My advice. Save your money for a real home theater and don't try and piece one together bit by bit.

2000 bucks should get you some speakers...we can start from there.

No please, go ahead I wanna hear this...

Not everyone has tons of money to spend on HT. $2000 is more than enough to get a very nice home theater.

No it is not. 2000 bucks gets speakers and IMHO you shouldn't spend anything less.

2000 bucks is severely just touching entry level home theater.
 

PurdueRy

Lifer
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: spidey07
wow. Would love to help but with the misinformation spewing forth it will be impossible.

My advice. Save your money for a real home theater and don't try and piece one together bit by bit.

2000 bucks should get you some speakers...we can start from there.

No please, go ahead I wanna hear this...

Not everyone has tons of money to spend on HT. $2000 is more than enough to get a very nice home theater.

No it is not. 2000 bucks gets speakers and IMHO you shouldn't spend anything less.

2000 bucks is severely just touching entry level home theater.

Ok so its entry level to you. But are the speakers he's getting utter garbage? No, many would love to be able to get speakers that nice.

Different people have different expectations, yours are obviously very high. Its cetainly better than any HtiB solution out there
 

Kremlar

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No it is not. 2000 bucks gets speakers and IMHO you shouldn't spend anything less.

LOL, that's not true at all. I started off with an under $2000 home theater and loved every minute of it.

You have to start somewhere.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: rleemhui
Originally posted by: spidey07
wow. Would love to help but with the misinformation spewing forth it will be impossible.

My advice. Save your money for a real home theater and don't try and piece one together bit by bit.

2000 bucks should get you some speakers...we can start from there.

No please, go ahead I wanna hear this...

Not everyone has tons of money to spend on HT. $2000 is more than enough to get a very nice home theater.

No it is not. 2000 bucks gets speakers and IMHO you shouldn't spend anything less.

2000 bucks is severely just touching entry level home theater.

Ok so its entry level to you. But are the speakers he's getting utter garbage? No, many would love to be able to get speakers that nice.

Different people have different expectations, yours are obviously very high. Its cetainly better than any HtiB solution out there

just barely, IMHO.

That's what I'm trying to say. Save your money and get a hometheater when you can afford one. Otherwise you'll just be constantly upgrading.