Have you gained new insight into the members of this forums?

[Brutuskend]

AMEN @ derfman

 

[Elledan]

<< As for you alternate solution, that's absolute bullshit. By saying we have to have understanding for the terrorists you imply we have to change our policies for them. Maybe US foreign policies aren't the best (which is a seperate issue altogether) no terrorists act deserves understanding. Over 4000 lives were lost, you don't get someone's attention by killing their people then expect them to have understanding for you. By changing certain policies because of terrorists attacks, that's saying the terrorists are right, the attack was justified. THEY WILL NOT GAIN ANYTHING FROM THEIR ATTACK. Everytime someone wants a change in the world they should just kill thousands of people to get it? NO, the deserve to die, every one of them. Change is made through protest, and rational arguements, militant religous fantics don't want understanding, they want to hurt, they want to kill and cause pain. If they wanted the world to change, there are better ways to do it. >>

So you are saying that the US should stay rigidly in its current position and simply refuse to move even an inch?

You do realize, hopefully, that this will mean that the cause for those terrorist attacks on US property will continue? This single war against terrorists will help for a while, but not forever. How many wars will be needed before the US will understand that refusing to change is futile? One hundred attacks? One thousand? Or until no American citizen can live his or her life in peace, but will live in constant fear, just like people in Israel and Spain can expect to be blown to pieces every second. Not even visiting a restaurant or playing with a toy is safe.

Is that what you want? Is it?



<< Your ignorance is astounding Elledan. If a dog is begging for scraps at a table, what happens if you feed it? The dog will come back everyday begging for more. You scold the dog once and he won't come back. The terrorists dogs who attacked the US don't understand the reason you call for, they understand death and that's what we'll give them. >>

This must be the most ignorant statement I've heard so far.

Those terrorists are fighting for a goal. In their minds, everything they do is right. Why do they think this? Because somehow there's something which motivates them to believe this. Like said before, terrorists are only the symptom, not the 'disease' itself. It's senseless to keep solely fighting the symptoms of a disease.


<< If there is no one left to retaliate how will these terrorists retaliate for the attacks by the US. I have a theory, its just a theory, that the reason a United States military strike hasn't taken place yet is because they are gathering intelligence on all the major middle eastern terrorists cells and plan on taking them out in one single attack. >>

How terrifyingly naive of you.

No army, no matter how powerful can take down every single terrorist on this planet. They'll be replaced just as quickly as you shoot them. They're just one symptom of something much larger. A doctor doesn't focus solely on the symptoms of a patient's disease, does he?



<< I'm surprised at you Elledan, for someone who says that retarded people shouldn't be allowed to live, you seem awfully quick to call for understanding when it comes to mass murder. >>

You're making that piece up, don't you? I've never said that retarded people shouldn't be allowed to live, nor would I support anyone who came up with such a disgusting idea.


<< Maybe its just me, but you seem to get off on opposing the popular view point no matter what it is (yes popular is not always right, but neither is unpopular) and being nothing more than your standard troll with a larger vocabulary and a slightly better way of articulating yourself. >>

Thanks for the compliment. No really.


<< Crawl back into your hole, maybe there you could figure out that the US deserves understanding more than terrorists that murder thousands of people. Is it so much harder to understand those calling for retribution for an attack than those who made an unprovoked attack and killed all those people? >>

Don't make me laugh. The only thing the US wants at this moment is revenge. Blinded by rage the wounded giant is looking around for someone or something to crush.

On a sidenote, those terrorist attacks were to be expected already years ago. In all honesty, I wasn't even in the least bit surprised or shocked when I took note of those attacks. Anyone could have seen it coming and even a rapport was presented to the Government, who for some reason decided that it wasn't worth the hassle to take anti-terrorist measures.
Granted, those measures might not have prevented those recent attacks, but at least it would have shown that the US Government really cares about its citizens.

The US Government is indirectly responsible for those attacks and the resulting victims.

 

[Shazam]

<< As this is the only question that i can find that you directed at me I thought i did answer it. Let me make it a little clearer. Yes I am telling you to refrain from judgement for the reasons I have stated above. >>

Check my topic title.

 

[Red Dawn]

I've learned that there are a lot of weak individuals who have used this tragedy to try and promote their bogus political stances. I also have seen that their are many who are so cowardly that they take this opportunity to falsely blame other Amercans for leading to this tragedy.

 

[Siva]

<< So you are saying that the US should stay rigidly in its current position and simply refuse to move even an inch?

You do realize, hopefully, that this will mean that the cause for those terrorist attacks on US property will continue? This single war against terrorists will help for a while, but not forever. How many wars will be needed before the US will understand that refusing to change is futile? One hundred attacks? One thousand? Or until no American citizen can live his or her life in peace, but will live in constant fear, just like people in Israel and Spain can expect to be blown to pieces every second. Not even visiting a restaurant or playing with a toy is safe.

Is that what you want? Is it? >>


Who's naive? The terrorists aren't some all-powerful force that has the ablility to attack any target in the US, nor are they like the Palistinians who are neighbors to Isreal and have many more people devoted to their cause. Terrorists may have had the means for one single calculated strike, they did their damage, they made the American people fear for a day or two, and yes it can happen again, but its doubtful that any attack can be pulled off to do the same amount of damage as the first. The only goal of terrorist organizations is running and hiding right now, they don't have the means for long term attacks on the US, and if/when a war with the terrorists start they will be a lot worse off than they are now. US foreign policy should not change when it is just, whether you want to believe it or not the United States makes the world a better place, you didn't hear Bin Laden complaining when he was getting help from the US did you?


<< How terrifyingly naive of you.

No army, no matter how powerful can take down every single terrorist on this planet. They'll be replaced just as quickly as you shoot them. They're just one symptom of something much larger. A doctor doesn't focus solely on the symptoms of a patient's disease, does he? >>


Do you think every single one of these terrorists is well-educated, well-trained, and rich? If you cut out the heart of beast and most of the body do you think the limbs have much will have much of a will to continue fighting? These terrorists will run out of money and support once most of their leaders are dead, without a central force binding the fragments of their organizations they could never again do the kind of damage Bin Laden has done in the past.


<< You're making that piece up, don't you? I've never said that retarded people shouldn't be allowed to live, nor would I support anyone who came up with such a disgusting idea. >>


Your capacity to be a dipsh1t is astounding. You've shown it before, you prove it in almost every one of your posts. I'll end mine with a little "insightful" quote you graced AT with in the past and we'll see who's the liar.


<< << Anyway what right do we have to play God? The fact that handicapped people are born and suffer, should open our hearts to compassion, and make us desperately want to find the root causes, so we can help them.>>

The root causes of their suffering? The fact that they're born. Why not grand them a swift and painless death instead of a long and painfull life filled with hardships?

Actually the question we should ask ourselves by now is:

What do we want to accomplish with Humanity?

Should we just go on like now or should we take some drastic actions?

I consider the current situation to be much alike when one or more people are seized and kept hostage: as long as the outsiders (police, for example) try to get the hostages back alive, the hostage-taker(s) know that they've control the situation. But when the value of the life of a hostage is considered to be irrelevant and the police enters the building and kills the hostage-taker(s) other people who consider taking some people hostage will know that that will proof to be futile.

In this case, the hostages are ethics, religious values and other ballast we've build up over the years. The hostage-takers are the people who use parts of the ballast to control other people (and mostly fool themselves as well). If we finally come to the conclusion that we don't need all the extra ballast and throw it off, Humanity would be a lot more free than it was before.

Chances that this will happen, however, are very small, since Humans are Human. >>



Disgusting :disgust:

 

[Brutuskend]

Check the POST topic!!

Please take this someplace else!!

My 2 cents

What I've learned:
Some people have very short attention spans...........

 

[Russ]

To get this back on topic (what the hell, why not). Yep, I've gained new insights in to some of the members. There are some normally liberal types here for whom I have gained a large measure of respect.

Siva, you rock!

Russ, NCNE

 

[Red Dawn]

<< There are some normally liberal types here for whom I have gained a large measure of respect. >>

I agree. Also add to that normally ultra conservative types who I have gained a large measure of respect, espeicially those who have put aside polititcal differences and joined with those who they normally are at odds with in their support of this country and it's leadership.




<< Siva, you rock! >>

I concur, Evan you words are wise beyond your years!

 

[b0mbrman]

Some of you talk to much. That's all you can do is talk, you don't have the balls to do anything. Well, theres a few million Americans who are going to do something, regardless of what your glorious minds think is right or wrong. I've seen some idiots, and Americans realize that bombing civilians isn't the answerhere. On the other hand some of us understand and accept that in every war there will be civilian casualties. This war will be no exception. The US will try to minimize civilian casualties, but it won't be able to prevent them all. Some of you a$$holes think you are so smart that you can second guess the US government, your opinion means nothing, and you can cry all you want, it won't change a thing. I do not condone the murder of citizens of ANY nation, but I FULLY support this military operation AT ANY COST.

I agree with the first part but I'd prefer not saying any cost since me n my Army buddies don't need to die necessarily. Also, back to the topic, I haven't really gained very much *new* insight...just realized stuff that I should have been able to predict--mostly about so many people taking such a liberal standpoint without backing up their statements with reasonable alternatives.

Yes, it's easy to talk bad about the government or the military but it's much harder to think of something better that they could have done

 

[hungrypete]

<< I agree with the first part but I'd prefer not saying any cost since me n my Army buddies don't need to die necessarily. Also, back to the topic, I haven't really gained very much *new* insight...just realized stuff that I should have been able to predict--mostly about so many people taking such a liberal standpoint without backing up their statements with reasonable alternatives. Yes, it's easy to talk bad about the government or the military but it's much harder to think of something better that they could have done >>



I don't want our boys taking casualties either, I'm just stating that my support isn't going to disappear the first time there are Americans KIA. I suspect alot of the people here will fashion themselves hippies and start running thier mouths. As far as that goes, Vietnam was different, Vietnam didn't attack us in our homeland, people had a right to protest that war. Anyone who protests this war doesn't deserve the protection of the military.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Anyone who protests this war doesn't deserve the protection of the military. >>

Wrong!! Thery might deserve criticism but they also deserve protection from both our military and our law if they are American Citizens. In America you have the right to be wrong and to be an asshole, just look at Mr. Palco

 

[Russ]

Red calling somebody else an asshole? That's a hoot.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Red calling somebody else an asshole? That's a hoot. >>

You mean calling some one else besides you an asshole?

 

[Russ]

Red,

That was so weak. Retort University should yank your degree.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Red Dawn]

<< That was so weak >>

The effort extended matched the insult. Anything more would have been overkill



<< Retort University should yank your degree >>

Yeah I can tell you what you can Yank!

Hehehe

 

[TheOmegaCode]

I'm for war because it will help our economy, and payback.

 

[thebestMAX]

Now for another R & R Mutual Admiration Society Meeting.

Anybody remember Lil Abner? "You is my Ideal"

 

[Siva]

my god, did hell freeze over or did russ just compliment me?

 

[skace]

I love you all!

 

[thebestMAX]

Siva-

I saw that too. You deserved it.