Hauting video of "Elliot Rogers Retribution" student shoots and kills Sorority girls

[TridenT]

As much as I hate to agree with Nehalem, after reading his manifesto I think Nehalem's reading of the situation is correct.

Girls never rejected Rodger. Rodger never tried to date any girls, or befriend them, or even talk to them. He was under the impression that he was so awesome that they should have just walked up to him and offer to be his girlfriend, or at the very least sleep with him. Being a rich, good looking guy that drove a BMW, he could have easily gotten a girlfriend if he tried, but he didn't try.


IMO, Rodgers was obsessed with status and popularity. He drove a $40,000 BMW, he had $300 sunglasses, and IMO, a white girlfriend was just one more status symbol that he felt he deserved. Rodgers was convinced if a white girl magically became his girlfriend then everyone would see how awesome he was, but if you read his manifesto, especially before puberty, he was always trying to become the coolest kid in school. When he wasn't the coolest kid he'd be angry at the person who dared be cooler, who dared to be a better skate-boarder, or had cooler clothes or a cooler haircut. He hated those people. After puberty when boys start obsessing about sex, Rodgers became convinced that having a white girlfriend would make him the coolest person around. It really wasn't about sex or girls, despite what he said in his video and what he believed. It was the status symbol of a hot girl that he craved.

His fantasies weren't about sleeping with pretty white girls, he fantasized about making it so that nobody had sex. He wanted others to pay for having what he lacked but (in his opinion) rightly deserved. If somehow Rodgers had gotten a girlfriend, it would only have delayed the day of retribution as he would throw a fit and kill people for having better clothes, or more money, or a better car then him. It was the idea that other people dare have something he didn't have (i.e. kill his little brother because his little brother might get a girlfriend before he did) that drove him, and even if he got what he wanted, there were always other people that had what he didn't have.

Yeah... I'm feeling weird here. I'm ideologically opposed to agreeing with nehalem. I'm really trying to find good arguments against what he's saying. The shooter seems like a serious narcissist and extremely envious of everyone else who has something/someone he doesn't.

I'll agree that the guy wasn't nice to women but he didn't seem nice to anyone... It just seems that women were the most difficult thing for a rich kid like himself to "obtain". (I'm not saying that women are property) Inevitably, it seems like that was most of his obsession.

I understand the frustration but this guy was missing a few bolts. He seemed to have things going relatively well for him outside of girl troubles. I didn't see whether or not he had any significant number of friends. Seems like he wouldn't.

I wonder why counseling/therapy didn't have a significant enough effect. I didn't read the manifesto or pay super close attention to this whole story.

The feminists are having a field day with this one. Apparently this guy is a symbol of misogyny. Hah.

Yeah, mostly because of the way he speaks about women. I understand why they're saying it. He's definitely bad but I wouldn't say he's the hitler of women like many are professing.

 

[Matt1970]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ple-for-ideological-reasons-is-terrorism.html

Was that article supposed to disprove you are a racist?

 

[Victorian Gray]

I haven't seen anything in his writings or in any of his videos that gave me the slightest impression that he was gay. What are you referring to?

Only place I've seen this kind of speculation was some 'expert' on Fox news making comments to the effect. She's since claimed to have been 'misunderstood'. Hard to misunderstand this though:

""When I was first listening to him, I was like, ‘Oh, he’s angry with women for rejecting him,'" Ludwig said. "Then I started to have a different idea: 'Is this somebody who is trying to fight against his homosexual impulses?'"
"Was he angry with women because they were taking away men from him?""


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/25/fox-news-elliot-rodger-homosexual_n_5389279.html

 

[TridenT]

Only place I've seen this kind of speculation was some 'expert' on Fox news making comments to the effect. She's since claimed to have been 'misunderstood'. Hard to misunderstand this though:

""When I was first listening to him, I was like, ‘Oh, he’s angry with women for rejecting him,'" Ludwig said. "Then I started to have a different idea: 'Is this somebody who is trying to fight against his homosexual impulses?'"
"Was he angry with women because they were taking away men from him?""


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/25/fox-news-elliot-rodger-homosexual_n_5389279.html

lol wtf, there is nothing misunderstood about that.

 

[Victorian Gray]

lol wtf, there is nothing misunderstood about that.

Yeah, in light of what she originally said, her 'walk back' doesn't really hold up too well.

 

[bradly1101]

I agree with victim Martinez's father that playing this video (and printing/reading the manifesto) is wrong in two ways; it gives the killer the stage he craved, and it encourages the next murderer who wants to be heard and send a message.

This is a result of how easy it is to purchase a weapon that can kill so easily at a distance, and is indeed designed for that. No other consumable is like it. It's like having hundreds of miniature mortar rounds at your disposal to dispense on your 'enemies' when the anger, jealousy and/or crazy comes out. We're human, that happens all the time.

Why don't they let us buy RPG's or mortars? They're designed to be deadly too.

 

[spidey07]

You can buy RPGs and mortars. Nothing prevents you from building them either.

This is why you can't take the gun grabbers seriously and must dismiss them at every opportunity. They have zero knowledge of what rights they want to destroy.

Call out their ignorance. Get in their face and shut their ignorance down. No compromise.

 

[Zaap]

This is a result of how easy it is to purchase a weapon that can kill so easily at a distance, and is indeed designed for that.

So we're banning knives now? And did he throw them at his roommates or something?

 

[CitizenKain]

You can buy RPGs and mortars. Nothing prevents you from building them either.

This is why you can't take the gun grabbers seriously and must dismiss them at every opportunity. They have zero knowledge of what rights they want to destroy.

Call out their ignorance. Get in their face and shut their ignorance down. No compromise.

Give it a try then and see what happens. Let us know where you are so we ask the ATF to come visit.

 

[shira]

You can buy RPGs and mortars. Nothing prevents you from building them either.

This is why you can't take the gun grabbers seriously and must dismiss them at every opportunity. They have zero knowledge of what rights they want to destroy.

I have complete knowledge of the alleged rights I want to take away from you. I also know that getting the guns out of your grabby little hands is just another 5-4 decision away.

Call out their ignorance. Get in their face and shut their ignorance down. No compromise.

Nice try, fool. I'm a lot smarter than you about guns and the 2nd Amendment. Your an alcoholic and a loser. We gun-grabbers will just keep pushing and pushing and pushing until we win. I can already see you crapping your pants worrying that someday you won't have a shiny weapon to rub your limp dick against.

 

[Zaap]

^ You mouth-breathing morons are the flip sides of the same stupidity coin.

 

[shira]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...liot-Rodger-planned-to-murder-his-family.html

I think that makes it pretty clear that his issues went far beyond a "hatred of women".

Unless of course someone wants to argue that his 6 year old brother is a girl.

It's so good to hear you defending Elliot Rodger. I'll bet you really identity with him and feel he was unfairly labeled a woman-hater. And I'm sure the two of you would have had lots to talk about together. Does the thought of sitting close to him, feeling the warmth of his breath wafting against your face, send shivers up and down your spine? He was EXACTLY your type of man, wearing those tight black chinos, wasn't he? Admit it. Too bad for you that he's dead, but you should be able to find an inflatable Elliot Rodger doll to play with.

 

[shira]

^ You mouth-breathing morons are the flip sides of the same stupidity coin.

Hurling insults won't stop us "grabbers" from taking away Spidey's guns.

 

[Zaap]

^ Case in point. You should seek some help. You've clearly got some weird attraction to the guy that you're trying to pawn off on nahalem. Newsflash idiot: YOU just came up with that twisted shit, not him.

 

[shira]

^ Case in point. You should seek some help. You've clearly got some weird attraction to the guy that you're trying to pawn off on nahalem. Newsflash idiot: YOU just came up with that twisted shit, not him.

Why on earth would I seek help? All I've done is given Nehalem a small nudge toward revealing his true self to the rest of us. If you've read his previous posts, the deep, hidden explanation for his hatred of women is pretty clear. And once his repressed homosexuality is allowed to come to the surface, a kinder, gentler Nehalem will result. Everyone should thank me for doing this public service.

 

[Zaap]

No, all you did was reveal your true self and try to pawn it off on someone else (that you clearly seem obsessed with.)

But then again, of course YOU don't see it. Otherwise you wouldn't think that's actually an effective tactic, to present your own warped fantasies as someone else's.

Like I said, seek help.

 

[Matt1970]

I have complete knowledge of the alleged rights I want to take away from you. I also know that getting the guns out of your grabby little hands is just another 5-4 decision away.


Nice try, fool. I'm a lot smarter than you about guns and the 2nd Amendment. Your an alcoholic and a loser. We gun-grabbers will just keep pushing and pushing and pushing until we win. I can already see you crapping your pants worrying that someday you won't have a shiny weapon to rub your limp dick against.

Good luck with that, you are going to need it.

 

[nehalem256]

It's so good to hear you defending Elliot Rodger.

Defend?

I think that makes it pretty clear that his issues went far beyond a "hatred of women".

I'll bet you really identity with him and feel he was unfairly labeled a woman-hater.

He hated other men because they got to have sex and he didn't.

and

He hated women because they wouldn't have sex with him.

In other words he hated everyone.

Great job on continuing the liberal War on English.

 

[fskimospy]

The onion is spot on as usual:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this,36131/

 

[shira]

Defend?







Great job on continuing the liberal War on English.

Yawn, so you're continuing to defend him. He didn't "just hate women." We get it, Ace. We understand how attracted you are to this guy.

 

[nehalem256]

Yawn, so you're continuing to defend him. He didn't "just hate women."

I don't think you know the meaning of the word "defend".

Unless you are trying to argue that wanting to kill your 6 year old brother*, whom you had really bonded with over the past year, is somehow less disturbing than wanting to kill women. In which case

*note, the same would be true if his brother had been a sister.

We get it, Ace. We understand how attracted you are to this guy.

Honestly at this point it seems more like you are attracted to me. Would you be satisfied with just a photo to masturbate to?

 

[bradly1101]

So we're banning knives now? And did he throw them at his roommates or something?

You can throw a knife as far as a bullet flies with the same speed and accuracy? Wow!

 

[SMOGZINN]

I have complete knowledge of the alleged rights I want to take away from you. I also know that getting the guns out of your grabby little hands is just another 5-4 decision away.


Nice try, fool. I'm a lot smarter than you about guns and the 2nd Amendment. Your an alcoholic and a loser. We gun-grabbers will just keep pushing and pushing and pushing until we win. I can already see you crapping your pants worrying that someday you won't have a shiny weapon to rub your limp dick against.

The thing is, as much as you wish it otherwise, you can't get rid of guns in the United States, at least not for the next few generations. Attempting to do so would create a literal civil war. One that your side would lose. Almost every one I know in the Armed forces are near fanatic gun owners. You can't pass a law that would put the army against you.

 

[Jaskalas]

The onion is spot on as usual:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this,36131/

Murderer kills 6 people, we're the "only nation"? Really...

 

[justoh]

Murderer kills 6 people, we're the "only nation"? Really...

can you name a few others where it regularly happens?