Hauting video of "Elliot Rogers Retribution" student shoots and kills Sorority girls

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spidey07

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So you are saying there wasn't enough gun control, and you are right.

No. The left in a push for rights of mentally ill people are why we have crazy people doing crazy stuff.

The firearm and self defense is a god given natural right incorporated via our constitution.

Funny you don't know the history of democrats. The wrong side of history every issue every time.

But do try to infringe on our rights. It's getting more wins for republicans and leftist getting recalled. Go right ahead. Make my day.
 

jpeyton

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So you are saying there wasn't enough gun control, and you are right.
If you're saying California doesn't have "enough gun control", than you will need to face the political reality that there is no way to pass gun control legislation stricter than California's on a national level.

Not this year, not next year, and probably not in the next decade. We'll see how mindsets evolve after that, but gun-hating liberals would have to run up a pretty large voting gap to overcome the current gridlock in Congress.

And last time I checked the polls for the upcoming midterms, conservatives are predicted to gain seats, not lose them.

This is coming from a self-proclaimed gay-marriage-loving, marijuana-legalizing liberal.
 

Zorkorist

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Pragmatically, this was neither a mental health nor a criminal justice issue. With puberty comes some level of social readjustment, and there is no criteria which can tell you what any are in need of in order to adjust. Are you going to put goths in jail because they dress in black? Are you going to put nerds in jail because they might be the next Adam Lanza? Are you going to lock the "promiscuous" girls in an institution until they mend their wicked ways?
Rodgers was a high functioning autistic whose basic juvenile routines no longer worked and so he needed to shift paradigms. This is not necessarily clean, and extreme behavior in order to unearth failure points which can break down the previous paradigm as well as form the foundation of the new, more robust paradigm is expected. (If your theory of physics isn't working you may have to smash a few atoms to find out why.) The problem is there's no way to tell angst from someone whose first go assembled the /pol/ hivemind as a self-reinforcing entity. Rodgers latched onto a worldview that was completely defined in terms of himself, but you're going to find that most people define a heck of a lot of their worlds in terms of themselves at that age. There'd be no way to tell that his first reformation was so pathological that the place where the rubber met the road for the next test wasn't the mere flirtation with the idea of murder or the "crazy" persona, but actual murder.

Neither a hospital nor jail setting would have helped him overcome an autistic social dysfunction. Both are systems that operate by easily identifiable rules and regulations -- each person has their place, and everything is done for a specific function. He would have taken to the routine and looked perfectly healthy (other than normal autistic tendencies), but upon coming out he would be in the same situation as when he went in, only more alienated than ever. A system of institutionalization based on nothing but "worry" would probably create more killers than anything.


Some change to the gun culture would probably help. Americans like their entertainment simple, with morality spoon-fed to them as a black and white proposition with the correct answer always being, "violence." A gun's simplicity of use lowers the bar as to what constitutes a worthwhile killing. (Go through your movie library and in each instance of gun violence ask yourself, "Would the perpetrator still kill if he had to pounce on the victim, overcome them in violent struggle, and chew through their jugular to do it; or would all that effort make an alternative solution the [now] obviously preferable one?")
Steeped in a culture where the self-insert hero is always right and the forces against him are designed to be clearly wrong, it's not surprising that conservatards are as racist and self-absorbed as they are or that someone like Rodgers likewise might get caught up in such a tale.
I see families and friends intervening all the time on COPS. My husband may have spit on me, call the cops. etc.

In this case, purportedly, the family tried to intervene.

The failure is not with society, or family, but with Government for establishing itself as the response to family and society.

You can't spank your child. The Government is the responsible authority for spanking your child.

The Government has declared your son or daughter mildly autistic. Now you are liable for child abuse charges from a person in power.

etc.

Complete and utter claptrap.

The only thing this case illustrates is the Governments ineffectiveness in controlling people.

Or terrorists.

etc.

They (the Government) are beyond useless, and driving the nation into insolvency.

-John
 

Mai72

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I really feel bad for his Chinese victims. They looked like smart computer students and not the good looking brutes that he hated so much.

:(
 

PieIsAwesome

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I really feel bad for his Chinese victims. They looked like smart computer students and not the good looking brutes that he hated so much.

:(

The girls he killed were also unremarkable as far as appearances go. Wat an idiot.
 
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No. The left in a push for rights of mentally ill people are why we have crazy people doing crazy stuff.

The firearm and self defense is a god given natural right incorporated via our constitution.

Yeah of course Jesus would have packed a Desert Eagle .50 caliber....duh....
 
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http://www.sbsheriff.org/05281401.html
Isla Vista - May 28th, 2014



On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, at approximately 2:30 pm, Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Deputies responded to an apartment in the 6500 block of Pardall Road for a gunshot that had come through the reporting party’s apartment wall. Deputies arrived and found that a bullet had been shot through the wall from a connecting apartment, deflected off of a TV stand and lodged into the adjacent wall, narrowly missing the resident inside. Deputies went to the suspect’s apartment and contacted the lone resident, identified as 21-year old Kevin Tym (UCSB student). When questioned, Tym admitted that he was playing with his legally owned handgun and accidentally fired a Glock 17, 9mm round through his neighbor’s wall. During a search incident to arrest, Tym was found in possession of 7 firearms and approximately 1000 rounds of ammunition. In addition, he was found in possession of high capacity assault rifle magazines. All of the firearms were legally owned by Tym.



All of Tym’s firearms, ammunition and magazines were seized. Tym was arrested and booked into jail for a violation of 246.3 PC – Negligent discharge of a firearm and 32310(a) PC – Possession of high capacity magazines. His bail was set at $2,500.
So... responsible gun owner or another budding psychopath?
 
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neither. that is a idiot that was playing with his gun. I have no sympathy for losing his collection.

I am all for having guns legally. But idiots like that make it hard for others.

OK, if not responsible gun owner, patriot then? His guns should be returned?
 

bshole

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Irresponsible gun owner who was careless and negligent not following the cardinal 4 safety rules. His "cache" of weapons and ammunition is nothing remarkable and typical of normal gun owners.

Hell, I have probably 100 standard capacity 30 round magazines. They're cheap right now.


Why? Seriously why? Are you some kind of obssesive compulsive? No sane well-adjusted person would own 100 30 round mags. There is no logical reason or need for them.
 

Munky

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Did all the gun control loons forget the fact that he stabbed people too? Or should we demand knife control too, like the UK nanny state is proudly pioneering?

The real problem is his sexual frustration due to misguided ideas about life. Had his parents, peers, and popular media taught him that being a "nice guy" is perceived as weak and boring by women, and maybe if he wasn't raised by an uncaring step-matriarch, his path in life could have been very different.

And if that option is not available, if only there was some way a rich kid could pay for sexual services to relieve himself... maybe then the killing spree could have been averted. Has such a novel, revolutionary service been invented yet?
 

jackstar7

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Did all the gun control loons forget the fact that he stabbed people too? Or should we demand knife control too, like the UK nanny state is proudly pioneering?

He stabbed people while they slept. If you care about the larger context, care about all of it.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Irresponsible gun owner who was careless and negligent not following the cardinal 4 safety rules. His "cache" of weapons and ammunition is nothing remarkable and typical of normal gun owners.

Hell, I have probably 100 standard capacity 30 round magazines. They're cheap right now.

Still waiting for the riots in Kentucky eh???
 

Theb

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How about you can only buy a gun if you can only buy a gun if you can prove you've gotten laid.

We can call it the Beast With Two Background Check.
 

Jaskalas

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Still waiting for the riots in Kentucky eh???

Simple mathematics would find it only a matter of time. Perhaps the question is not IF we face civil unrest and a civil breakdown, but when. Then a little bit of preparedness can go a long way.

It's easy to hope and pray the day does not come, but that doesn't stop unreasonable policies from continuing to do the nation harm. Look to the Arab Springs, or Ukraine, or places where ethnic breakups occur. Look to Greece where bankruptcy and riots still loom, temporarily staved from one bailout after another.

Look at our national and private debts, rising costs, devalued labor. There is turmoil building up, and a serious gridlock against action in this nation. The US is a melting pot with the lid attached. Pressure building. You may as well be telling him he's crazy for thinking the seasons change, that summer turns to fall, and fall to winter.

Faith that summer lasts forever will not keep you warm in the long night.
 

Paratus

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Did all the gun control loons forget the fact that he stabbed people too? Or should we demand knife control too, like the UK nanny state is proudly pioneering?

The real problem is his sexual frustration due to misguided ideas about life. Had his parents, peers, and popular media taught him that being a "nice guy" is perceived as weak and boring by women, and maybe if he wasn't raised by an uncaring step-matriarch, his path in life could have been very different.

And if that option is not available, if only there was some way a rich kid could pay for sexual services to relieve himself... maybe then the killing spree could have been averted. Has such a novel, revolutionary service been invented yet?
It's not that being a nice guy turns women off. It's that when you stereotype an entire gender or treat them all as property status/symbols, it comes through and not in nice way.

Treating a woman as an individual tends to work. Try it sometime.

BTW you sound a bit frustrated too.

How many guns you own?
 
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Paratus

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Irresponsible gun owner who was careless and negligent not following the cardinal 4 safety rules. His "cache" of weapons and ammunition is nothing remarkable and typical of normal gun owners.

Hell, I have probably 100 standard capacity 30 round magazines. They're cheap right now.

This is more conservative than I was expecting. :sneaky:
 

jpeyton

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Hell, I have probably 100 standard capacity 30 round magazines. They're cheap right now.
Exactly, I have at least 1k rounds of every caliber that I shoot, and dozens of standard capacity mags. And I'm just your average office nerd.

Better to stock up now and cash out when Hillary tries to take Obama's salesperson of the year crown.
 

Fenixgoon

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Why? Seriously why? Are you some kind of obssesive compulsive? No sane well-adjusted person would own 100 30 round mags. There is no logical reason or need for them.

why would someone own 100 cars?

it doesn't matter. if spidey wants 100 mags, it's his choice.

i have 1200 rounds of ammo. so what?