Hauting video of "Elliot Rogers Retribution" student shoots and kills Sorority girls

[Genx87]

It's a fruitless argument at this point, and especially in this place. Gun manufacturers and their lobbyists are so firmly entrenched in the U.S., even if all gun manufacturing stopped today, we'd still be at near saturation levels for the rest of our little, American lives.

Our congress is very much in the pocket of the NRA, so no reasonable background check law will ever get through. A gun sold to an insane person or a criminal is still a sale. And the more guns that are sold to the 'bad guys,' the more guns we need in the hands of the good guys. More sales!

But then we Americans succumb to so much sales marketing, we're killing ourselves with food and alcohol too. We're suckers. I just can't imagine suckling at the teat of fear (they're coming for your guns!, you need to have a gun for protection wherever you go!) that the NRA presents, which of course spurs more gun sales. Continuing behavior that doesn't work, or especially is harmful, is the very definition of insanity.

The dream of our country being free of regular, often gun violence will never be realized (at least in our lifetimes).

It's a fruitless argument because half the victims in this case were killing using a knife.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It's a fruitless argument because half the victims in this case were killing using a knife.

That is a fairly specious argument given that the great majority of murders are committed with guns. Gun violence is a much more serious issue in the United States than knife violence.

 

[Genx87]

That is a fairly specious argument given that the great majority of murders are committed with guns. Gun violence is a much more serious issue in the United States than knife violence.

If Bradly is looking for a case to fight this battle. I don't think exploiting an incident where half the victims were killed with something other than a gun is the place to do it.

 

[nehalem256]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ple-for-ideological-reasons-is-terrorism.html

Its pretty hard to argue that the guy was driven by an ideological hatred of women when his killing spree started by knifing 3 men.

I think that he was driven more my jealousy and narcissism than ideology.

 

[fskimospy]

Its pretty hard to argue that the guy was driven by an ideological hatred of women when his killing spree started by knifing 3 men.

I think that he was driven more my jealousy and narcissism than ideology.

Except that the killer came right out and said he was doing it out of an ideological hatred of women, of course.

 

[nehalem256]

Except that the killer came right out and said he was doing it out of an ideological hatred of women, of course.

From the OP's article:

In the six-minute video, the young man who identifies himself as a student in Santa Barbara, says: “This is my last video, it all has to come to this. Tomorrow I will have my revenge against humanity, against all of you".

Seems like he hates everyone.

For additional evidence see the fact that he stabbed 3 men to death before going on his shooting spree.

But maybe he is just applying Hillary Clinton logic where if a man gets killed the "real" victim is his mother, wife, sister, etc.

 

[fskimospy]

From the OP's article:

Seems like he hates everyone.

For additional evidence see the fact that he stabbed 3 men to death before going on his shooting spree.

But maybe he is just applying Hillary Clinton logic where if a man gets killed the "real" victim is his mother, wife, sister, etc.

Or we could also simply continue reading the article and not selectively quote it.

The very next two paragraphs after your quote:

As he sits in his car recording the video, he talks about his loneliness, alienation and rage, saying, “girls gave their affection and sex and love to other men but never to me".

"Girls, all I’ve ever wanted was to love you and to be loved by you. I’ve wanted sex. I’ve wanted love, affection, adoration. You think I’m unworthy of it. That’s a crime that can never be forgiven. If I can’t have you girls, I will destroy you.

We could also read his manifesto, which explicitly states why he thinks humanity hates him:

"All I ever wanted was to fit in and live a happy life amongst humanity, but I was cast out and rejected, forced to endure an existence of loneliness and insignificance, all because the females of the human species were incapable of seeing the value in me,"

That of course would require applying your brain and basic logic to the event, however.

 

[nehalem256]

Or we could also simply continue reading the article and not selectively quote it.

The very next two paragraphs after your quote:

We could also read his manifesto, which explicitly states why he thinks humanity hates him:

22 year old man wants to get laid

That of course would require applying your brain and basic logic to the event, however.

You mean like not ignoring the 3 men he stabbed to death?

Knifing 3 men to death because of an anti-woman ideology makes about as much sense as blowing up a Catholic Cathedral because you hate Muslims.

 

[fskimospy]

22 year old man wants to get laid

You mean like not ignoring the 3 men he stabbed to death?

Knifing 3 men to death because of an anti-woman ideology makes about as much sense as blowing up a Catholic Cathedral because you hate Muslims.

Except of course that he also mentioned that he wanted to kill his roommates to "get them out of the way", which shows that he viewed them as an obstacle to his goal, not his target.

You used the "confused" emoji. Are you unable to read all the way through articles, watch whole videos, or is your confusion stemming from a more general difficulty with reading comprehension? I am also very confused how someone would be having so much trouble with basic facts.

Then again considering how much you hate women this is probably just some sick manifestation of your underlying pathology.

 

[Jaskalas]

Knifing 3 men to death because of an anti-woman ideology makes about as much sense as blowing up a Catholic Cathedral because you hate Muslims.

It makes perfect "sense". He was jealous. The men had the women.

 

[nehalem256]

Except of course that he also mentioned that he wanted to kill his roommates to "get them out of the way", which shows that he viewed them as an obstacle to his goal, not his target.

Your right. How could he possibly have driven around town shooting people if he hadn't knifed his roommates first?

It makes perfect "sense". He was jealous. The men had the women.

He hated other men because they got to have sex and he didn't.

and

He hated women because they wouldn't have sex with him.

In other words he hated everyone.

 

[fskimospy]

Your right. How could he possibly have driven around town shooting people if he hadn't knifed his roommates first?

He hated other men because they got to have sex and he didn't.

and

He hated women because they wouldn't have sex with him.

In other words he hated everyone.

Your argument about tactics is with the killer, not me. If you want to continue to ignore the killer's explicit statements about his motivations and his explicit statement as to why he killed his roommates in order to satisfy the demands of whatever mental illness you suffer from that's fine.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

After listening to him several times I have to wonder if he wasn't a repressed homosexual and was tormented by the fact neither men or women were attracted to him.

 

[fskimospy]

After listening to him several times I have to wonder if he wasn't a repressed homosexual and was tormented by the fact neither men or women were attracted to him.

I haven't seen anything in his writings or in any of his videos that gave me the slightest impression that he was gay. What are you referring to?

 

[jhbball]

Your right. How could he possibly have driven around town shooting people if he hadn't knifed his roommates first?



He hated other men because they got to have sex and he didn't.

and

He hated women because they wouldn't have sex with him.

In other words he hated everyone.

In other words, you're a blathering idiot.

 

[waggy]

Your right. How could he possibly have driven around town shooting people if he hadn't knifed his roommates first?



He hated other men because they got to have sex and he didn't.

and

He hated women because they wouldn't have sex with him.

In other words he hated everyone.

I agree. that's what i got out of it.

he hated his roommates because he thought they were beneath him and they were having sex. he hated women because they weren't throwing themselves on his dick for just walking around.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I haven't seen anything in his writings or in any of his videos that gave me the slightest impression that he was gay. What are you referring to?

I don't know of any straight males who refer to themselves as being:

“drop dead gorgeous, fabulous, stylish, exotic gem among thousands of rocks”

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't know of any straight males who refer to themselves as being:

“drop dead gorgeous, fabulous, stylish, exotic gem among thousands of rocks”

I see that as a crazy guy thing, not a closeted gay guy thing. It is clear he was obsessive about his failure to attract women, and I find it nonsensical to interpret his actions as in any way motivated by being gay.

 

[nehalem256]

Elliot Rodger spent five years planning his “Day of Retribution” during which he planned to murder his six-year-old brother who he had once apparently saved from drowning.

The “virgin killer”, who had never had a girlfriend, wrote in his manifesto that he was jealous because his younger brother had been signed up to act in television commercials and could grow up to be more popular than him.
...
“He will become a popular kid who gets all the girls. Girls will love him. He will become one of my enemies. That was the day that I decided I would have to kill him on the Day of Retribution. I will not allow the boy to surpass me at everything, to live the life I’ve always wanted.

“It will be a hard thing to do, because I had really bonded with my little brother in the last year, and he respected and looked up to me. But I would have to do it. If I can’t live a pleasurable life, then neither will he! I will not let him put my legacy to shame.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...liot-Rodger-planned-to-murder-his-family.html

I think that makes it pretty clear that his issues went far beyond a "hatred of women".

Unless of course someone wants to argue that his 6 year old brother is a girl.

 

[Zodiark1593]

That is a fairly specious argument given that the great majority of murders are committed with guns. Gun violence is a much more serious issue in the United States than knife violence.

Regardless of whether guns in the hands of civilians is a good thing or not, the fact of the matter is that Pandora's Box has been opened here, and no amount of laws will close it again. I find it pointless to discuss firearms control in a thread like this.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I see that as a crazy guy thing, not a closeted gay guy thing. It is clear he was obsessive about his failure to attract women, and I find it nonsensical to interpret his actions as in any way motivated by being gay.

Could be, it sure as hell strikes me as being an odd thing to say

 

[kia75]

He hated other men because they got to have sex and he didn't.

and

He hated women because they wouldn't have sex with him.

In other words he hated everyone.

As much as I hate to agree with Nehalem, after reading his manifesto I think Nehalem's reading of the situation is correct.

Girls never rejected Rodger. Rodger never tried to date any girls, or befriend them, or even talk to them. He was under the impression that he was so awesome that they should have just walked up to him and offer to be his girlfriend, or at the very least sleep with him. Being a rich, good looking guy that drove a BMW, he could have easily gotten a girlfriend if he tried, but he didn't try.


IMO, Rodgers was obsessed with status and popularity. He drove a $40,000 BMW, he had $300 sunglasses, and IMO, a white girlfriend was just one more status symbol that he felt he deserved. Rodgers was convinced if a white girl magically became his girlfriend then everyone would see how awesome he was, but if you read his manifesto, especially before puberty, he was always trying to become the coolest kid in school. When he wasn't the coolest kid he'd be angry at the person who dared be cooler, who dared to be a better skate-boarder, or had cooler clothes or a cooler haircut. He hated those people. After puberty when boys start obsessing about sex, Rodgers became convinced that having a white girlfriend would make him the coolest person around. It really wasn't about sex or girls, despite what he said in his video and what he believed. It was the status symbol of a hot girl that he craved.

His fantasies weren't about sleeping with pretty white girls, he fantasized about making it so that nobody had sex. He wanted others to pay for having what he lacked but (in his opinion) rightly deserved. If somehow Rodgers had gotten a girlfriend, it would only have delayed the day of retribution as he would throw a fit and kill people for having better clothes, or more money, or a better car then him. It was the idea that other people dare have something he didn't have (i.e. kill his little brother because his little brother might get a girlfriend before he did) that drove him, and even if he got what he wanted, there were always other people that had what he didn't have.

 

[z1ggy]

I don't know of any straight males who refer to themselves as being:

“drop dead gorgeous, fabulous, stylish, exotic gem among thousands of rocks”

Sounds like something a metrosexual narcissist would say.

 

[CitizenKain]

Is it any surprise that a MRA person like nehalem is bending over backwards to make it seem like Elliot didn't target women?

 

[Nebor]

The feminists are having a field day with this one. Apparently this guy is a symbol of misogyny. Hah.