Has the right gone completely insane about immigration?

[retrospooty]

Its been quite a while since I posted here, I just had to ask. What is wrong with todays republicans and the anti immigration backers? I mean seriously, we have so many issues in this country. Real, important issues that will affect all of our lives and the lives of our descendants for generations to come. Can someone please explain to me how illegal immigration is even on the top 10, or top 50 for that matter? We have a national debt that is spiraling out of control and are still spending borrowed money like it grows on trees. The economy (nuf said). Manufacturing jobs have been leaving for decades, our education system is absolutely atrocious and falling further behind each year as we pay teachers with 4 year degrees like fast food workers. Congress is simply broken, Washington in general is simply broken. The government is spying on us in unprecedented ways and what is worse, they seem to think it's OK because "hey, terrorism exists". Cops kill FAR more Americans every year than terrorists do, why aren’t we spying on them? We have a higher percentage of our population incarcerated than any other country. We are involved in 2 wars in the middle east that wont end, and all gains made will be lost when we leave, whether we leave this year, in 10 years or 50 years, as soon as we are gone it goes back to the way it was - there is no winning in the shithole that is the Middle East. We are dealing with a potential nuclear Iran, pollution, climate change, the rising price of energy, corporations buying off politicians, the list goes on and on... How on Earth has the republican party determined that illegal immigration is even worth discussing at this time? We have much MUCH bigger issues to deal with. With all that going on, how is it that you are worried about the legal status of the poor guy that washes your dishes trying to feed his kids?

The republican party used to stand for something great. Small govt, freedom, a low tax business friendly environment and most importantly "govt. out of peoples lives. All of that sounds great, but it doesn't sound anything like today's reps. WTF? HTF did this happen?

 

[Atreus21]

No, they haven't.

 

[Moonbeam]

HTF did this happen?

It happened when we lost the external threat of the Soviet Union. The Conservative brain is wired for teamwork against threats and when the threat isn't out there they turn inward and attack what they define as the other among their own people, be it liberals or aliens or dark people.

 

[BoberFett]

Its been quote a while since I posted here, I just had to ask. What is wrong with todays republicans and the anti immigration backers? I mean seriously, we have so many issues in this country. Real, important issues that will affect all of our lives and the lives of our descendants for generations to come. Can someone please explain to me how illegal immigration is even on the top 10, or top 50 for that matter? We have a national debt that is spiraling out of control and are still spending borrowed money like it grows on trees. The economy (nuf said). Manufacturing jobs have been leaving for decades, our education system is absolutely atrocious and falling further behind each year as we pay teachers with 4 year degrees like fast food workers. Congress is simply broken, Washington in general is simply broken. The government is spying on us in unprecedented ways and what is worse, they seem to think it's OK because "hey, terrorism exists". Cops kill FAR more Americans every year than terrorists do, why aren’t we spying on them? We have a higher percentage of our population incarcerated than any other country. We are involved in 2 wars in the middle east that wont end, and all gains made will be lost when we leave, whether we leave this year, in 10 years or 50 years, as soon as we are gone it goes back to the way it was - there is no winning in the shithole that is the Middle East. We are dealing with a potential nuclear Iran, pollution, climate change, the rising price of energy, corporations buying off politicians, the list goes on and on... How on Earth has the republican party determined that illegal immigration is even worth discussing at this time? We have much MUCH bigger issues to deal with. With all that going on, how is it that you are worried about the legal status of the poor guy that washes your dishes trying to feed his kids?

The republican party used to stand for something great. Small govt, freedom, a low tax business friendly environment and most importantly "govt. out of peoples lives. All of that sounds great, but it doesn't sound anything like today's reps. WTF? HTF did this happen?

LOL, another imbecile who believes immigration has nothing to do with the bolded.

So the quality of our education system and the availability of low skilled jobs have NOTHING to do with importing millions upon millions of low skilled, low wage people?

LOL, Democrats.

 

[retrospooty]

No, they haven't.

OK, but how? How is illegal immigration an issue with all of our problems?

 

[retrospooty]

LOL, another imbecile who believes immigration has nothing to do with the bolded.

So the quality of our education system and the availability of low skilled jobs have NOTHING to do with importing millions upon millions of low skilled, low wage people?

LOL, Democrats.

No, it doesn't. That is not where our money goes. Very little of it goes to dealing with undocumented workers and they arent exactly taking good jobs. They are working in fields and washing dishes - doing the jobs we wont do. Have you even been to the USA? Seems like you havent by your comment.

 

[boomerang]

No, it doesn't. That is not where our money goes. Very little of it goes to dealing with undocumented workers and they arent exactly taking good jobs. They are working in fields and washing dishes - doing the jobs we wont do. Have you even been to the USA? Seems like you havent by your comment.

So tell us where our money goes.

Oh, and as a bonus, tell us why you feel Republicans need to solve the problems facing our nation as you perceive them. Why don't you put that onus on Democrats?

 

[retrospooty]

So tell us where our money goes.

Oh, and as a bonus, tell us why you feel Republicans need to solve the problems facing our nation as you perceive them. Why don't you put that onus on Democrats?

First off, its not all on reps. The dems are almost as stupid, and every bit as unwilling to work with the other side... The question posed is why are they concentrating on illegal immigration and ignoring the 20+ elephants in the room. As far as our money, on paper the largest chunks go to defense and Social security. My big issue with that, is alot of it goes to lucrative contracts being given to corporate friends of congress (both sides) but that is another subject entirely.

 

[Moonbeam]

So tell us where our money goes.

Oh, and as a bonus, tell us why you feel Republicans need to solve the problems facing our nation as you perceive them. Why don't you put that onus on Democrats?

American Union then. If you are born in the Americas you're an American Citizen and allowed to live or work in any American country.

 

[boomerang]

So you expect both parties in Congress to be for porous borders that negatively affect our sovereignty and along with that our financial system, our healthcare system, our educational system, our penal system, the security of the citizens of this nation, etc.?

I'm thankful that we have two parties that are opposed on this issue. I consider it the most important one in this election cycle.

Do you leave your door unlocked at your home when you're gone?

 

[boomerang]

American Union then. If you are born in the Americas you're an American Citizen and allowed to live or work in any American country.

That sounds prejudicial to residents of other continents.

 

[1prophet]

No, it doesn't. That is not where our money goes. Very little of it goes to dealing with undocumented workers and they arent exactly taking good jobs. They are working in fields and washing dishes - doing the jobs we wont do. Have you even been to the USA? Seems like you havent by your comment.

You mean jobs you consider beneath you and refuse to pay an American what you would want if you had to do those jobs.

Funny how phony liberals cry out for all sorts of unions, worker protections, living wages, etc. but when it comes down to paying for that they have no problem using someone that employs undocumented or under the table workers so they won't have to reach too deep in their pocket and pay their "fair share".

 

[Londo_Jowo]

No, it doesn't. That is not where our money goes. Very little of it goes to dealing with undocumented workers and they arent exactly taking good jobs. They are working in fields and washing dishes - doing the jobs we wont do. Have you even been to the USA? Seems like you havent by your comment.

Right, keeping on telling yourself that. Guaranteed many construction workers are undocumented. In the area where I live you can't find a home construction/electrical/plumbing/hvac crew that's not 100% hispanic.

 

[nixium]

No, it doesn't. That is not where our money goes. Very little of it goes to dealing with undocumented workers and they arent exactly taking good jobs. They are working in fields and washing dishes - doing the jobs we won't do [FIXED] for pay that is not worth the effort [FIXED] . Have you even been to the USA? Seems like you havent by your comment.

Fixed that for you.

Makes you wonder how all those dishes washed themselves before 12 million + illegal immigrants made it in here, and how much the salary of a dishwasher has changed.

 

[retrospooty]

You mean jobs you consider beneath you and refuse to pay an American what you would want if you had to do those jobs.

Funny how phony liberals cry out for all sorts of unions, worker protections, living wages, etc. but when it comes down to paying for that they have no problem using someone that employs undocumented or under the table workers so they won't have to reach too deep in their pocket and pay their "fair share".

No, I mean jobs that Americans aren't applying for and aren't doing. You have economics backwards. It's not demand and supply, its supply and demand. There is a vacuum on low paying service jobs. Immigrants are coming here filling that vacuum.

And funny how when anyone questions the highly questionable logic of today's republican party, he gets called a dem and a liberal. Sorry, I am a registered independent and I think the dems are full of crap. I don't like unions, I don't like raising minimum wage and I hate the nanny state mentality that we are drifting toward... I vote based on the issues not the party and have voted D and R in the past. I have alot of respect for the old school republican party I mentioned in my OP. If I were a rep, I would be pretty dam pissed off as to what happened to my party. This modern circus that runs the rep party is what perplexes me... and still, you have no answer as to why illegal immigration is what they are focusing on with so many bigger issues.

 

[alcoholbob]

Nobody brought it up until Trump brought it up. Every other candidate is just saying "me too!" to stay relevant.

 

[retrospooty]

Fixed that for you.

Makes you wonder how all those dishes washed themselves before 12 million + illegal immigrants made it in here, and how much the salary of a dishwasher has changed.

What is your point? This is a nation of immigrants. I am the descendant of immigrants and I assume you are too. Long before the population got bigger, there was no restaurant, no dishes no customer and therefore no job at all. The laws of economics rule here, its supply and demand.

 

[Indus]

The republican party used to stand for something great. Small govt, freedom, a low tax business friendly environment and most importantly "govt. out of peoples lives. All of that sounds great, but it doesn't sound anything like today's reps. WTF? HTF did this happen?

It's nothing new because all they do is obstruct blame and fan the hate since the Civil Rights Era.

They have had 0 solutions since Eisenhower came up with 90% progressive tax on the rich (those making $200,000 in 1950's) and used it to build our infrastructure which still exists to this day.

Since then what have they done?

Can you name 1 legislation that helps all Americans?

So what have they done besides try and scare people with China, Russia, Radical Islam, God and illegal immigrants?

 

[retrospooty]

Nobody brought it up until Trump brought it up. Every other candidate is just saying "me too!" to stay relevant.

That really isn't true at all. Republicans have been all over illegal immigration for many election cycles "Build that fence" "No amnesty" "kick them out" etc... Trump brought it up this round and his popularity skyrocketed. He want from a joke candidate to the front-runner overnight when he brought it up. That is why we are talking about it now.

 

[michal1980]

No, I mean jobs that Americans aren't applying for and aren't doing. You have economics backwards. It's not demand and supply, its supply and demand. There is a vacuum on low paying service jobs. Immigrants are coming here filling that vacuum.

And funny how when anyone questions the highly questionable logic of today's republican party, he gets called a dem and a liberal. Sorry, I am a registered independent and I think the dems are full of crap. I don't like unions, I don't like raising minimum wage and I hate the nanny state mentality that we are drifting toward... I vote based on the issues not the party and have voted D and R in the past. I have alot of respect for the old school republican party I mentioned in my OP. If I were a rep, I would be pretty dam pissed off as to what happened to my party. This modern circus that runs the rep party is what perplexes me... and still, you have no answer as to why illegal immigration is what they are focusing on with so many bigger issues.

Talk about putting the cart before horse.

More workers = lower wages.

Want americans to work as dishwashers? Well then start paying them well. But no one will, because some 'undocumented' worker wont care about making 6 bucks an hour, because that's 6 bucks more then he was making at home.

 

[MiniDoom]

i don't know, my kids school system has a huge budget shortage and about half the kids in her class are esl students which cost more and demand more time from teachers.

 

[retrospooty]

Talk about putting the cart before horse.

More workers = lower wages.

Want americans to work as dishwashers? Well then start paying them well. But no one will, because some 'undocumented' worker wont care about making 6 bucks an hour, because that's 6 bucks more then he was making at home.

Again, that is backwards. The demand for jobs drove people to come here to fill them and hopefully have a better life. And for the record, no, I don't "want americans to work as dishwashers" I want us to stop acting like our problems are because of immigrants. history people, it need not repeat itself here.

 

[rudder]

No, I mean jobs that Americans aren't applying for and aren't doing. You have economics backwards. It's not demand and supply, its supply and demand. There is a vacuum on low paying service jobs. Immigrants are coming here filling that vacuum.

Maybe this was true in the 80's. Now the sheer number of illegals have depressed wages in industries where American citizens used to be able to earn a decent living. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Americans find it beneath them to be brick masons or framing carpenters?

 

[piasabird]

I think the opposite has occurred. Immigration has gotten completely out of control. This is why more and more people think it is a good idea to change our way of using the 14th Amendment's birthright citizenship clause. I see no real reason for it. In fact changing this law may dramatically change all the illegal immigration. If you remove incentives like this birthright citizenship this may make some better outcomes.

Another idea is to send help to some of these countries that these desperate people are coming from. Maybe some federal aid or some careful economic targeted aid might go a long way to improve local conditions.

 

[rudder]

Talk about putting the cart before horse.

More workers = lower wages.

Want americans to work as dishwashers? Well then start paying them well. But no one will, because some 'undocumented' worker wont care about making 6 bucks an hour, because that's 6 bucks more then he was making at home.

And since the illegal immigrant had no regard for the law when that is how they crossed the border.... they can live on $6 an hour. Cash payments, overcrowding rental units, not bothering to carry auto insurance, filing fraudulent IRS returns, not being subject to court costs, etc, etc.

If all the illegals here are given amnesty and brought out of the shadows... they will find earning $6/hour is not so hot. Of course the next wave of illegals will be flooding the border to assume those vacated $6 an hour jobs.