HardOCP Battlefield 4 beta performance test

[Face2Face]

It's probably not, the Windows 7 aspect of the game was/is probably just bugged.

That said it should still be faster and provide more features via 11.1 which are not present with Windows 7.

That's a pretty big list of enhancements. It also says it's available for windows 7, unless they released something recently that says it won't?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/hh404562(v=vs.85).aspx

 

[BallaTheFeared]

LEAVE MICROSOFT ALONE!!!!!!


Looks like some, not all of 11.1, none of 11.2 thus far though.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Se...irectX-11.1-Runtime-Chuck-Walbourn,19135.html

 

[Teizo]

I have a problem with this statement based on the frametime analysis and the average fps reported...

"After logging hours of play time in Battlefield 4 Beta using both the Radeon R9 280X and GeForce GTX 770, the AMD Radeon R9 280X appears to deliver a far superior gaming experience compared to the NVIDIA GeForce 770 GTX no matter what the framerate graphs show."

Not that I don't trust him, but something doesn't jive.

Granted, I still would recommend the 280X over the 770 based on price and across the board performance.

 

[chimaxi83]

I have a problem with this statement based on the frametime analysis and the average fps reported...

"After logging hours of play time in Battlefield 4 Beta using both the Radeon R9 280X and GeForce GTX 770, the AMD Radeon R9 280X appears to deliver a far superior gaming experience compared to the NVIDIA GeForce 770 GTX no matter what the framerate graphs show."

Not that I don't trust him, but something doesn't jive.

Granted, I still would recommend the 280X over the 770 based on price and across the board performance.

It's not a problem when Radeons get higher frame rates but the "experience" is still better on Geforce? Which is literally what they said this entire generation.

 

[railven]

I have a problem with this statement based on the frametime analysis and the average fps reported...

"After logging hours of play time in Battlefield 4 Beta using both the Radeon R9 280X and GeForce GTX 770, the AMD Radeon R9 280X appears to deliver a far superior gaming experience compared to the NVIDIA GeForce 770 GTX no matter what the framerate graphs show."

Not that I don't trust him, but something doesn't jive.

Granted, I still would recommend the 280X over the 770 based on price and across the board performance.

Remember when people argued perception is key. If you can't see those spikes, even if we have a meter that tells you they are there, who's wrong?

You or the meter?

 

[Teizo]

Like I mentioned...I trust him, and know he is not a fanboy, but 'perception' can sometimes be not so 'objective'.

:sneaky:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Doesn't really matter what felt better with broken performace does it?

 

[railven]

Like I mentioned...I trust him, and know he is not a fanboy, but 'perception' can sometimes be not so 'objective'.

:sneaky:

Well of course, and since gaming is generally a subjective hobby - being objectionive doesn't really mean much haha.

Doesn't really matter what felt better with broken performace does it?

Of course it doesn, you got broken and more broken - better of two evils. Go!

 

[BrentJ]

8 is offering better OS performance, cleaner background, better memory management, better OS thread scheduler, better DX support, and better performance in BF4.

What else do you want out of an OS upgrade?

But I don't need, nor want it, personally, Win7 performs fine for me, has a clearner background IMO without the Metro mess, runs my 16GB of RAM just fine, I have a 2600K so thread scheduling is ok, MS is forcing the DX issue.

So the only benefit of Win8 to me, is better performance in one game. I should not be forced into having to upgrade my OS for one game. That's just not right. What if I don't have the money for an upgrade.

If I'm happy with Win7, as a lot of users are, they aren't going to see a need to upgrade.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Win8 doesnt perform better in BF4 anymore. At least not with the previous margins.

 

[wand3r3r]

Win8 doesnt perform better in BF4 anymore. At least not with the previous margins.

So apparently it was an artificial limit or bug. It was suspicious to say the least.

Do you have some proof?

 

[BrentJ]

I agree with you that Windows 7 should not have a performance penalty, even though I personally really like Windows 8.1. I don't think Windows 7 should have a performance penalty, but based on how DICE has used DX 11.1, it will.

I certainly don't think anyone should be forced to upgrade. I'm just not sure this situation will be rectified with the release version, like I said, it sounds like it won't due to how DICE has stated things.

(By the way, Windows 8.1 *is* really nice. I know folks will still pan it because it's MS and all, but, I like it).

Officially, we will do a Win7 vs. Win8 performance article for BF4.

 

[BrentJ]

So what now we gotta pay $90 for BF4?



I know brett didn't write the article, but I'd like to see them revisit it with Windows 8.1 preview, since it's free to acquire and I'm sure they have an extra SSD laying around to test it with.

Win7 vs. Win8 performance in BF4 will be tested, stay tuned.

 

[thilanliyan]

So besides the visual difference, is there a huge difference between Win7 and Win8/Win8.1? I'm on the fence about it. I don't mind upgrading, but would rather not have to reinstall everything unless it is a big improvement.

 

[BrentJ]

I said the Desktop is almost the same in Both Win 7 and Win 8, i didnt say the OS is the same.

Point of contention there, but I like the Aero interface in Win7. I think the visuals look better on the desktop, and I liked having gadgets on the desktop. I have a row of gadgets on my Win7 desktop that allow me to get to things quickly, I'll lose all that in Win8. For me, I'm actually losing functionality, by upgrading, on my personal machine.

 

[BrentJ]

Far superior as in having exactly the same things available in win 7 through 3rd party software?

That's my point, I find it kind of funny people are installing Win8, then using third party software to make it look like Win7 or an earlier OS

It just, doesn't make sense to me. That shows you most people don't like the native look of Win8.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

But I don't need, nor want it, personally, Win7 performs fine for me, has a clearner background IMO without the Metro mess, runs my 16GB of RAM just fine, I have a 2600K so thread scheduling is ok, MS is forcing the DX issue.

So the only benefit of Win8 to me, is better performance in one game. I should not be forced into having to upgrade my OS for one game. That's just not right. What if I don't have the money for an upgrade.

If I'm happy with Win7, as a lot of users are, they aren't going to see a need to upgrade.

And XP still has a 32% market share, why pair your expensive gpu with your $340 cpu on an outdated platform?

Metro apps are designed for tablets, so even if you load them and don't close them you're talking 34MB of ram usage which 16GB systems can do without.


MS is forcing progress, and the performance issue in BF4 was code related not OS. It's one game now, how many do you think it will be a year from now, two years? Five years?

People who sat on XP, like the people sitting on Seven will be left behind just like XP users were with Vista and Seven.

How long before hardware goes DX12 and Windows forces another upgrade? Will you still be on Seven even though Windows 9 offers nothing more than an API in your eyes or will you stay on the cutting edge of software as you do with hardware?

 

[frozentundra123456]

All MS had to do to make Win 8 not infuriate so many potential users was to not remove the start button and to provide an option to boot to desktop instead of metro. Simple, but they seemingly had give an eff you to anyone who was not a touch user. The plethora of and popularity of aftermarket programs to do this proves it was the wrong decision.

Personally, I don't think it should be necessary to have to use a 3rd party app, free or not, to restore the functionality that I have with win 7.

But I am happy for those who are using win 8 and like it. We are getting off topic though, so I will not post any more about this. Each to his own, as they say.

 

[blackened23]

Tablets blah blah blah blah start menu blah blah blah blah metro ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I'm going to roll back to XP.

 

[BrentJ]

I would have been happy, if MS gave you the option to install Metro, or install a Destkop interface only. I feel Metro is great for tablets and phone, but not right for desktops. That's all, give the user a choice, let them install only the software on their PC they want, if they don't want Metro, then don't install it. Focus more on the desktop experience, and excel at that.

I will always hold the opinion that I think what MS ultimately should have done is more what Apple has done. iOS for phones and Tablets, OS X for desktop PCs. MS needs a phone/tablet OS, call this "Metro" and a Desktop OS, call this "Windows" problem solved. (yes i'm aware 8.1 lets you boot to desktop, but fact remains, metro is is always there in the background)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Have you tried 8.1 yet Brent? Sorry for calling you Brett before :|

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Tablets blah blah blah blah start menu blah blah blah blah metro ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I'm going to roll back to XP.

XP was a resource hog, Windows 2000 was the last great MS OS. :thumbsup:

 

[thilanliyan]

Does the Metro UI sitting in the background in 8.1 use a lot of memory/resources?

 

[BrentJ]

Have you tried 8.1 yet Brent? Sorry for calling you Brett before :|

I will try it on my laptop when it's officially released

And I guess on our testing rig as well, cause I'll be testing Win7 vs. Win8 performance in BF4, so I'll make sure its installed

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So you still can't stand being dropped to desktop, having a start button that gives you pinned apps section as soon as you click it?

What is it about the start button that is so different?

I hear people say they don't like the full screen start menu with 8, but what are you looking at on your desktop when navigating the old start menu?

I dunno about you, but I don't have googily eyes.