HardOCP Battlefield 4 beta performance test

[AtenRa]

Well there are those of us that despise having a touch interface forced onto us in a desktop environment. I can't even describe how much I hate using Windows 8. And the fact that Microsoft artificially limited DX11.2 to Windows 8.1 is complete and utter BS.

Could you tell me exactly what you hate from Win 8 desktop ?? except of the missing start button the rest is almost the same as Win 7.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Could you tell me exactly what you hate from Win 8 desktop ?? except of the missing start button the rest is almost the same as Win 7.

It's the dreaded metro app background usage I tell ya

I dunno, some of the issues people have with it I don't even see/have myself. Like the metro background, never ran a metro app on my PC no idea what to think of that.


Faster, cleaner, more secure with a higher degree of feature sets isn't enough to "upgrade" why is Microsoft even putting out new operating systems?

 

[hawtdawg]

the new start menu has forced me to search for anything i want to run, and i've decided that I like it better that way. Also, you can right click on the bottom left corner of the screen and get a menu with several useful tools that used to take an extra step or few to access. I hated it when i tried the RC, but after using it for a few days, I have to say that it's definitely grown on me.

Also, the difference in performance between 7 and 8 with the BF4 beta was night and day.

 

[Imouto]

Optimized for DX11.1 doesn't mean it will run like a dog for any other DX11 card. That would mean screwing with a damn lot of potential buyers. They're trying to sell games, not hardware here.

Same goes for the Win8 thing. Run way slower in a Win7 machine when it has 8 times Win8's market share? C'mon...

 

[3DVagabond]

Well there are those of us that despise having a touch interface forced onto us in a desktop environment. I can't even describe how much I hate using Windows 8. And the fact that Microsoft artificially limited DX11.2 to Windows 8.1 is complete and utter BS.

Yes, strange all of these people that lament AMD developing another render path besides Dx when you consider how M$ wields it like a weapon to force people to upgrade and buy their software. I would welcome the day that I can install the latest free OS and have all of the state of the art graphics features. Updates that are done with the sole purpose of improving the OS and user experience rather than to make you feel like you need something new or you're being left out.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Linux needs more than just API support to become a viable gaming platform for the everyday user.

 

[3DVagabond]

Linux needs more than just API support to become a viable gaming platform for the everyday user.

Oh well then, let's just keep things as they are then. /sarc

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'd rather talk about what if's and change while doing nothing to drive either.

 

[3DVagabond]

I'd rather talk about what if's and change while doing nothing to drive either.

If you are going to say something, then come out and say it. Your wittiness isn't really all that.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I did just that, perhaps it's too much for you despite its limitations?

 

[showb1z]

Well there are those of us that despise having a touch interface forced onto us in a desktop environment. I can't even describe how much I hate using Windows 8.

What touch interface is this? The start screen has buttons, you can click on them just like any other icon in Windows. Just because Windows 8 allows for other ways of input (touch) doesn't make mouse/kb secondary to it.
If you use the start screen as a dashboard to quickly access programs and functions you don't want to pin to your taskbar or desktop it's great. It's more customizable, easier to organize and faster to use than the cascading menus and the start button ever were.

 

[3DVagabond]

I did just that, perhaps it's too much for you despite its limitations?

You said nothing of value. You do that a lot. Notice how there's nothing to disagree with what you are saying? I'm sure that you think you are being very witty when you do it, though.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Hope you feel better

 

[3DVagabond]

Hope you feel better

Better than what?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I just tested again, 70 FoV, 1080p 4xmsaa fxaa off everything else ultra 100% scale.

101 fps average, seems faster than Windows 8 but might be placebo/run difference.

 

[BrentJ]

Could you tell me exactly what you hate from Win 8 desktop ?? except of the missing start button the rest is almost the same as Win 7.

Exactly the point, if it's almost the same as Win7, why upgrade to Win8? If everything I like about Win7 is in Win7, I'm gonna stay on Win7. If 8 offers me nothing over 7, then I'm not going to upgrade. Most people don't upgrade, just to upgrade, they need a reason to do it. MS, is forcing users to do it by excluding 11.1/2 to Win8, which IMO, is a jerk move.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

8 is offering better OS performance, cleaner background, better memory management, better OS thread scheduler, better DX support, and better performance in BF4.

What else do you want out of an OS upgrade?

 

[Grooveriding]

Exactly the point, if it's almost the same as Win7, why upgrade to Win8? If everything I like about Win7 is in Win7, I'm gonna stay on Win7. If 8 offers me nothing over 7, then I'm not going to upgrade. Most people don't upgrade, just to upgrade, they need a reason to do it. MS, is forcing users to do it by excluding 11.1/2 to Win8, which IMO, is a jerk move.

Thanks for the review. I wasn't too happy with Win 8 after my first experience with it after getting it installed, all my apps back on it and set it up the way I wanted it was to have activation break and Microsoft's answer was 'we can't get it working, you need to reinstall'

I used 7 for a while after that but ended up trying 8 again and use the Classic Start program so it pretty much feels and works just like Win 7 does.

Anyways, how about sharing what we all would much rather know about than 770 vs 280x; in your benchmarking how did the 290 & 290X do in Battlefield 4 compared to the 780 and Titan ?

 

[Red Hawk]

Well there are those of us that despise having a touch interface forced onto us in a desktop environment. I can't even describe how much I hate using Windows 8. And the fact that Microsoft artificially limited DX11.2 to Windows 8.1 is complete and utter BS.

You do realize that Windows 8.1 is a free update to Windows 8 users, right?

 

[Imouto]

What else do you want out of an OS upgrade?

Not spending $120 a year for sure.

 

[MeldarthX]

Not spending $120 a year for sure.

*chuckles* you could of gotten for 15-30 dollars when it first came out with a legit key from XP up.....

Win 8 is a great OS; I liken it to like win 95.....people super bitched win 95 came out because it changed so many things from 3.11.....

8.1 will be like win 98 - seriously I haven't missed the start button; because you have a start page instead of a button or you can just boot to desktop; pin things there; or pin things to the start page....just like the start button.

People just want/need to bitch and or can't adapt.....sadly win 8 has been awesome for people that are not computer literate; its only the people that have some knowledge that have been bitching badly because oh no they will have to take 10 minutes to figure out how something works.....

/rant off

even better most games are faster in win 8 because of the lower over head; better kernal handling of cpus....but hey who want's more performance......

 

[frozentundra123456]

You do realize that Windows 8.1 is a free update to Windows 8 users, right?

That wasn't the point. The point was limiting the latest versions of direct X to win 8 in a cheap move to try to force people to upgrade.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

8.1 gets exclusive DX11.2, not even 8 gets it.

Dirty MS can't even give DX11.2 to Windows 8, and 8.1 is a free ugprade...............

Wait that doesn't make a dam bit of sense, must be the other option.. Technical issues backporting to dated tech when trying to advance tech forward...

 

[MeldarthX]

That wasn't the point. The point was limiting the latest versions of direct X to win 8 in a cheap move to try to force people to upgrade.

You still have some stubbornly sticking to XP too; when it performs far far worse than win7/8 - its actually far more buggy; less secure, doesn't do 64 bit computing well.....*64 bit XP is a nightmare to find drivers for*

this has been done for 20+ years; don't improve - say you don't get new features unless you upgrade.

I like 7....I like 8.....but overall I like 8 better; its faster, cleaner....we've just finally got rid of all old xp boxes at work...and got everyone on 7.....we have some on 8....now I have my work cut out for me to get everyone over to 8; as 8 runs better on less hardware than 7 does.....just like 7 runs better on less hardware than Vista.....

 

[blackened23]

But that shouldn't be an "issue" In My Opinion. There is a large userbase of Win7 gamers, I'd say more-so than Win8 gamers. IMO, a game needs to work well on Win7 and Win8. There are a lot of Windows 7 users still, and a lot are going to stay on Windows 7, this platform, IMO, needs to be supported well, both versions of Windows do, IMO. On my personal system, I have personally seen absolutely no reason to upgrade to Windows 8. I do have Windows 8 on my laptop, cause it came with it, so I have experience using it, but on my primary desktop/gaming computer, it provides absolutely no reason for me to upgrade, it doesn't do anything that Windows 7 doesn't do, and gives me the Metro stuff I don't need or want running in the background. All of that, is my personal opinion about that. No one can force me to upgrade on my personal machine

I agree with you that Windows 7 should not have a performance penalty, even though I personally really like Windows 8.1. I don't think Windows 7 should have a performance penalty, but based on how DICE has used DX 11.1, it will.

I certainly don't think anyone should be forced to upgrade. I'm just not sure this situation will be rectified with the release version, like I said, it sounds like it won't due to how DICE has stated things.

(By the way, Windows 8.1 *is* really nice. I know folks will still pan it because it's MS and all, but, I like it).