HardOCP Battlefield 4 beta performance test

[blackened23]

Does the Metro UI sitting in the background in 8.1 use a lot of memory/resources?

No. If you don't want to use metro, don't. You never have to see metro if you don't buy metro apps from the windows store, which I think most folks wouldn't. You can change your "default apps" so that you never have to see metro, ever, in Win 8.1. You can also pin your favorite apps to the taskbar just like Windows 7 in Win 8.1 more easily than you can in Win7. Windows 8.1 also uses fewer resources than Win 7 x64 did.

Again, most of the vocal complaints about 8.1 are from those who never used it blah blah blah tablets etc. Whatever. Old arguments, annoying, mostly from people that have never touched Windows 8.1 once. That said, who cares? Just use whatever you want in terms of OS. I like Windows 8.1. If someone likes Win7, great. I agree that Win7 shouldn't have a performance deficit in BF4, but seeing as the performance enhancements are from DX 11.1 I think it will carry over to BF4 release. These type of topics usually revolve around a lot of the same arguments that appeared a year ago, though. In any case, we'll see if the DX 11.1 enhancements in BF4 carry over to the release version. I'm sure DICE is aware that a lot of gamers use Win7.

 

[BrentJ]

So you still can't stand being dropped to desktop, having a start button that gives you pinned apps section as soon as you click it?

What is it about the start button that is so different?

I hear people say they don't like the full screen start menu with 8, but what are you looking at on your desktop when navigating the old start menu?

I dunno about you, but I don't have googily eyes.

In all of this thread I've never complained about the start button, or even mentioned it

 

[BallaTheFeared]

No it's been the metro apps, which I can't argue against because it befuddles me that anyone would use them on the desktop, let alone complain about their trivial memory usage if not closed :|

 

[Face2Face]

Looks like some, not all of 11.1, none of 11.2 thus far though.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Se...irectX-11.1-Runtime-Chuck-Walbourn,19135.html

That article is from 2012 though. The link I posted was from 8/30/2013

 

[BrentJ]

There is another thing I dislike about Win8, that it forces you to do, create an email address, or use an already created email address, to install it and run it. With Win7 I did not need any kind of account to run Win7, with Win8 you need an account that connects via the Internet, I dislike having to have my Windows connected in this way or create a MS account. Personal preference.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Use local account instead, you don't need to create a microsoft account for Windows 8 *I know I never do*


Now we're making progress through information!

 

[wand3r3r]

There is another thing I dislike about Win8, that it forces you to do, create an email address, or use an already created email address, to install it and run it. With Win7 I did not need any kind of account to run Win7, with Win8 you need an account that connects via the Internet, I dislike having to have my Windows connected in this way. Personal preference.

You don't need an email account, but it's an obscured option which is made to appear that you do need to use an email address. I always choose not to use it.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

That article is from 2012 though. The link I posted was from 8/30/2013

Your link says "Partial support for Direct3D 11.1 is available on Windows 7", my link seems to outline what that support is.

 

[pcslookout]

This is in Windows 7 64 bit without HSBO and with.

2013-10-10 04:13:27 - bf4

Frames: 49010 - Time: 761034ms - Avg: 46.710 - Min: 12 - Max: 59

Frames: 47230 - Time: 730216ms - Avg: 44.189 - Min: 7 - Max: 54



This is Windows 8.1 64 bit without HSBO and with.

2013-10-10 05:27:34 - bf4
Frames: 51583 - Time: 783047ms - Avg: 65.875 - Min: 30 - Max: 109

2013-10-10 09:42:36 - bf4
Frames: 45506 - Time: 714828ms - Avg: 63.660 - Min: 25 - Max: 114

 

[Teizo]

Sorta like YouTube requires you to create a Google+ account?

D:

-Edit-

Looks like I'm moving on to 8.1, and just use the Start8 app from Stardock

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Have you tested since the recent update pcs? I heard on the forums and IG people saying their performance went up and they're no longer stuttering.

 

[Face2Face]

Your link says "Partial support for Direct3D 11.1 is available on Windows 7", my link seems to outline what that support is.

Word

 

[BrentJ]

You don't need an email account, but it's an obscured option which is made to appear that you do need to use an email address. I always choose not to use it.

Thanks, I'll look for it when I install Win8 on our test rig, cause I don't want to have to create a new MS account.

 

[Attic]

No, what is sad is that windows 8 is so poorly designed for the desktop. Up until now, there has been zero reason to switch. Also sad is that MS refused to allow the latest version of Direct X in win 7 in a lame attempt to force people to switch to win 8.

I really tried to like Win 8. I do in fact like it for tablets and maybe laptops, but for the desktop, it is an abomination.

Yea I'm disappointed, again, in MS on these same fronts.

Most likely why i'll stick with my old 5770 and go Wii U + PS4.

Main gripe is that the xbox controller is way superior to PS4. Staggered analogs needed.

 

[Skurge]

I'm using a 560Ti and I'm getting pretty terrible performance no matter the settings. Like it downright unplayable. FPS would drop into the teens for 2 secs then back to normal then back down again every few seconds. The same thing happens wether the game is on Ultra or Low.

I was using a 690 yesterday, but it was just minor and turning off AA got rid 95% of it. Anything I can do to remedy it on the 560?

 

[OCGuy]

Why do I have a feeling AMD was forced to develop Mantle because their hardware does not properly take full advantage of DX 11.2?

If 11.2 gives such a boost over 11, I doubt mantle is going to be giving much more.

 

[imaheadcase]

It doesn't give a boost, .1 versions of DX are just "bug fixes and minor improvements". Which just makes it easier for developers to use it vs before. Major releases are better items + new features.

mantle is just another tool for developers to use, no mention from AMD or dice that it will be better, just something they can use.

The whole win 8 vs win 7 thing is silly. Everyone knows it was a terrible release (easily seen by sales), should of been a service pack to win 7. If you like it great, but its not better than win 7 in any way.

 

[Fastx]

Thanks blackend 23 for posting I can't believe the difference. I got Windows 8 in a promotion for free when I bought a Laptop with W7. I installed W8 on my desktop to try out but I preferred W7 and removed it and put W7 back on.

I now hoping/wondering once the BF4 final release will perform better in W7 than currently showing and/or wonder if BF4 Mantle will even it up in performance on W7 vs. BF4 Mantle version on W8?

If not I may to have reconsider W8.

 

[AtenRa]

Point of contention there, but I like the Aero interface in Win7. I think the visuals look better on the desktop, and I liked having gadgets on the desktop. I have a row of gadgets on my Win7 desktop that allow me to get to things quickly, I'll lose all that in Win8. For me, I'm actually losing functionality, by upgrading, on my personal machine.

Im using Win 8 with Classic Shell from day one over a year ago, i have the same Win 7 gadgets in my Win 8 desktop as i had in Win 7.

 

[bystander36]

It doesn't give a boost, .1 versions of DX are just "bug fixes and minor improvements". Which just makes it easier for developers to use it vs before. Major releases are better items + new features.

mantle is just another tool for developers to use, no mention from AMD or dice that it will be better, just something they can use.

The whole win 8 vs win 7 thing is silly. Everyone knows it was a terrible release (easily seen by sales), should of been a service pack to win 7. If you like it great, but its not better than win 7 in any way.

Just because a few people who tried Win 8, and didn't like it, then proceeded to bash it, doesn't mean it isn't better in many ways. It could just mean people dislike change, or having to relearn how to use their OS and the followers just blindly listened.

There have been numerous examples of better products failing while lower quality alternative thrive. A few bad reviews, and people never give it a chance. Of course MS could have made the transition more seamless and gotten a better result, such as making the start menu optional at the start. That silly feature, which hardly means anything, is the main fault for so many disliking it from the start.

 

[Grooveriding]

If I install the 8.1 preview over my current 8 will it allow me to upgrade to the retail release next week or will I need to do a new Windows install ?

There is no fecking way I will reinstall Windows if that is the case.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Probably not, I guess that's the nice thing about having a 60GB SSD it's not much good for anything but the OS and a game from steam mover, so easily to switch OSes :|

 

[Crap Daddy]

Useless benchmark since it's a beta. Maybe the only conclusion is that AMD needs the mantle bad. The latest patch today pretty much fixed everything. I'm running Windows 7.

 

[Teizo]

Have you tested since the recent update pcs? I heard on the forums and IG people saying their performance went up and they're no longer stuttering.

It ran great for me. I don't know what my frames were though because Afterburner doesn't display the OSD for me for some reason, but I ran it on Ultra with HBAO and 4x MSAA and it ran very well.

 

[Red Hawk]

It doesn't give a boost, .1 versions of DX are just "bug fixes and minor improvements". Which just makes it easier for developers to use it vs before. Major releases are better items + new features.

mantle is just another tool for developers to use, no mention from AMD or dice that it will be better, just something they can use.

The whole win 8 vs win 7 thing is silly. Everyone knows it was a terrible release (easily seen by sales), should of been a service pack to win 7. If you like it great, but its not better than win 7 in any way.

--Native ISO mounting
--File transfer pausing
--Better Task Manager
--Better File Explorer
--Windows Store Apps (ie, Netflix or Youtube) are significantly more power-efficient than running them in a normal web browser.
--Fully integrated Skydrive
--Generally more efficient with performance and power

There, a bunch of ways Windows 8 is better than Windows 7. :thumbsup: