Hammer about to fall on Louis C.K.?

[zinfamous]

So our choices were between a guy associated with inappropriate behavior around women (not proven) and a woman associated with corruption and a few mysterious murders (not proven). 'murica.

when honest confessions from the perpetrator themselves, told in complete confidence, become "not proven."

there you have it, folks: the truly deplorable nature of the know-nothing alt-right movement.

 

[zinfamous]

Associated with murders? This is why you shouldn't be taken seriously. She has NEVER been associated with anything unless it was by right wing nutjobs. If you can't see the difference between people openly and publicly sharing their experiences and fucking lunatics trying to claim Hillary is killing people there's no point discussing anything further with you.

what, you forgot the totally comparable and "totally exact same thing" tapes from Hillary Clinton, where she privately bragged to an entertainment show host about murdering political rivals or compromising witnesses and how they "totally let you get away with it when you're famous, lol"? You don't remember that?

Yeah, me neither.

 

[Ns1]

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

I want to address the stories told to the New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.

These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.

I have been remorseful of my actions. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of the extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position.

I also took advantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, which disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when they tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t think that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think about it.

There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with.

I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example to them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work.

The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and have worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by all of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of Better Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You Daddy. I deeply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie and every other entity that has bet on me through the years.

I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother.


I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen.

Thank you for reading.

 

[Younigue]

Just read Louis CK's comments on CNN. As a woman I believe his response is appropriate. I'm relieved he didn't lie or diminish what he did or how what he did [repeatedly] was received or how it made the women feel or the position/status he held over them. These were not violent crimes but still, taking someone's choices or power away is unacceptable. I'll add that as inappropriate and gross as his behavior was I personally would accept an apology with the condition he never do anything like it again. It should be noted I don't consider myself a feminist, I consider myself a humanist. To be clear, in no way do I think what he has done is ok and he absolutely should be held accountable as well as accept the legal and career consequences but in the grand scheme [for me] I would shrug it off having had an experience with all my free will and power being taken from me to compare it to. He's a perv, not a violent offender.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Just read Louis CK's comments on CNN. As a woman I believe his response is appropriate. I'm relieved he didn't lie or diminish what he did or how what he did [repeatedly] was received or how it made the women feel or the position/status he held over them. These were not violent crimes but still, taking someone's choices or power away is unacceptable. I'll add that as inappropriate and gross as his behavior was I personally would accept an apology with the condition he never do anything like it again. It should be noted I don't consider myself a feminist, I consider myself a humanist. To be clear, in no way do I think what he has done is ok and he absolutely should be held accountable as well as accept the legal and career consequences but in the grand scheme [for me] I would shrug it off having had an experience with all my free will and power being taken from me to compare it to. He's a perv, not a violent offender.

Rereading again I almost now get the feeling he wrote it in the way he did to illustrate the absurdity of what he had done previously. His "my d**k" lines. Still disappointing but he's the first I've seen who really seemed to get it.

 

[allisolm]

That's the only apology I've seen in one of these cases that reads as sincere to me. I hope it is.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Just read Louis CK's comments on CNN. As a woman I believe his response is appropriate. I'm relieved he didn't lie or diminish what he did or how what he did [repeatedly] was received or how it made the women feel or the position/status he held over them. These were not violent crimes but still, taking someone's choices or power away is unacceptable. I'll add that as inappropriate and gross as his behavior was I personally would accept an apology with the condition he never do anything like it again. It should be noted I don't consider myself a feminist, I consider myself a humanist. To be clear, in no way do I think what he has done is ok and he absolutely should be held accountable as well as accept the legal and career consequences but in the grand scheme [for me] I would shrug it off having had an experience with all my free will and power being taken from me to compare it to. He's a perv, not a violent offender.

As a sane human being I regard his "apology" as a musing of why he just doesn't care at all but have to do it in a way so that the people that love his retarded antics can at least interpret it as an apology.

As a man who knows how to act like a man I call the apology bullshit and nothing else.

Sure, you, as a woman, would accept it since you never been in that position but what if you had? What if your daughter had? Would you still be fine with it?

Your daughter got sexually assaulted and all you thought was needed was a half arsed apology where the fucker made fun of the situation?

I think not.

 

[J.Wilkins]

That's the only apology I've seen in one of these cases that reads as sincere to me. I hope it is.

Almost everyone has made apologies but this one isn't an apology, it's making short and fun of the situation and not an apology at all.

How anyone can accept sexual assault so lightly from him but condemn others for it speaks not to highly of the level of integrity of the people doing so.

But sure, if this happened to your daughter and the guy doing it said "sorry for showing my dick to your daughter while forcing her to be in the room while I masturbated" then you'd probably be perfectly fine with that.

Right?

I really hate this part of politics because people just check out their brain to have opinions that they wouldn't have if this was someone like Richard Spencer or some comedian that wasn't wildly popular with your crowd.

 

[MajinCry]

Man gets caught doing a bunch of nasty shit, issues a lengthy apology, people trust it.

Where was this apology after the first incident? Or the second? Or the third? It's only now that he's been "caught", so to speak, that he came out and issued a statement on it.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Man gets caught doing a bunch of nasty shit, issues a length apology, people trust it.

Where was this apology after the first incident? Or the second? Or the third? It's only now that he's been "caught", so to speak, that he came out and issued a statement on it.

A massively dishonest apology at that, pretty much making fun of the situation.

No one cares, he's their kinda guy and that excuses everything he does since they are not directly involved and when you pose the question as if they were they get so emotional that all they have are insults and bullshit.

 

[momeNt]

As a sane human being I regard his "apology" as a musing of why he just doesn't care at all but have to do it in a way so that the people that love his retarded antics can at least interpret it as an apology.

As a man who knows how to act like a man I call the apology bullshit and nothing else.

Sure, you, as a woman, would accept it since you never been in that position but what if you had? What if your daughter had? Would you still be fine with it?

Your daughter got sexually assaulted and all you thought was needed was a half arsed apology where the fucker made fun of the situation?

I think not.

What makes you think that she has not been sexually assaulted, or that her daughter had?

What makes you not accept it by the way? You are alleging she accepts it because she hasn't been in that position? Have YOU been in that position?

 

[J.Wilkins]

What makes you think that she has not been sexually assaulted, or that her daughter had?

What makes you not accept it by the way? You are alleging she accepts it because she hasn't been in that position? Have YOU been in that position?

A basic understanding of human nature.

If there is ONE person on this forum not fit for this discussion it is most certainly you.

This discussion is now over, any more replies from you will be ignored.

 

[zinfamous]

Just read Louis CK's comments on CNN. As a woman I believe his response is appropriate. I'm relieved he didn't lie or diminish what he did or how what he did [repeatedly] was received or how it made the women feel or the position/status he held over them. These were not violent crimes but still, taking someone's choices or power away is unacceptable. I'll add that as inappropriate and gross as his behavior was I personally would accept an apology with the condition he never do anything like it again. It should be noted I don't consider myself a feminist, I consider myself a humanist. To be clear, in no way do I think what he has done is ok and he absolutely should be held accountable as well as accept the legal and career consequences but in the grand scheme [for me] I would shrug it off having had an experience with all my free will and power being taken from me to compare it to. He's a perv, not a violent offender.

This has been my take on it as well, and interested to see you thinking along the same lines. I do feel that there is a "spectrum" in all of this, where on the one end you have monsters like Weinstein and now Moore, and on this end you have, well, "loser pervs" like Louis C.K. ...I add the "loser" part because that is more or less his self-defined M.O. and, if anything, we can now look back and realize that his comedy is more or less an outward display and "confession" of his perverted fetish. I've been trying to reconcile this in discussions with co-workers because I'm honestly confused with why I find myself trying to defend or sympathize with Louis, separate him from these other clear monsters, and I'm not sure if it's because I always liked his frank, honest, bizarre humor, his self-deprecating loser mentality, or I'm starting to get fatigued from what is surely only the tip of all of what is about to be revealed about this industry (and probably any corporate power structure) going forward.

But I don't think it's that, and I think I figured out why, with Louis, there is something in his behavior that still elicits fair and honest sympathy, despite the fact that his behavior and actions are demonstrably unacceptable, and deserving of a certain, appropriate level of punishment. And it is not to discredit or ignore the very real emotions and pain that any of these women went through....but I am thinking that this thing, with Louis, when you understand that he's spend his entire career more or less talking about these dark thoughts, if not honest that we all sort of recognize and identify with even if we don't act on them, are very real for him. This is his "thing." It's his fetish. People are into some (to me) very weird shit--I knew a girl that was seriously into being bound, and it was a scheduled, organized, rule-bound happening with the proper safety. That, to me, is very weird....but I get it. Certainly, there are groups that are absolutely into group masturbation and there is no doubt that they get together for this.

But then ask, "Hey Louis, you're rich, you know this is not a cool way to act out, why don't you just find one of these groups, or just pay some hookers to engage you?" So now you look at Hugh Grant, Eddie Murphy, the Heidi Fleiss revelations...a guy like Louis with this kind of fetish really has no outlet for his fetish that does not rationally lead to blackmail and the end of his career. But does that still excuse the way that he has acted on it? absolutely not. I think his letter reads well and is, in no way, self-serving in the way that you see from a guy like Kevin Spacey who seems to have neither remorse nor appreciation for what he has done. I do think Louis has honestly suffered in life because of this...I'm not saying more than the women involved, but I think it is clear that he has. I think it is safe to say that this was a big part of his divorce and his wife just couldn't deal with it anymore, both of them probably hoping that it wouldn't manifest as it has. I wonder how in his early career, obscurely writing for Conan and SNL, how he was for so long that unknown but brilliant "comic's type of comic," that his material was both beloved while being understood to be a "bit too off" for mainstream....but also how some of that within the community was actually known among a few of them, and again just put off as yet another example of "the things that go on in Hollywood." To that end, I'd really be interested in Conan's take, but I'd be surprised if we hear anything from him.

I believe the guy is being sincere and I hope, if appropriate, he can reach out to the women involved and maybe more to the public about this. It doesn't seem like he has been using this fetish as a power move or as a very direct goal of domination. I do think he's been troubled with this fetish and has probably felt "trapped" in ways that don't allow him to act on them in reasonable, more socially acceptable ways (honestly, these days, I feel it would be passed off as yet another community, I just don't want to know about it...). I hope he gets (better) therapy and if more, even worse is to come to light, that he meets the appropriate justice.

It seems that the industry truly does breed/enforce/encourage the display of such behavior, either generally weird or truly monstrous, and we are watching a watershed moment that hasn't even begun to start. I heard that CA/LA DA(s) are organizing a special task force to deal specifically with these issues and all further plaintiffs and defendants that will be swept in by this.

 

[momeNt]

A basic understanding of human nature.

If there is ONE person on this forum not fit for this discussion it is most certainly you.

This discussion is now over, any more replies from you will be ignored.

I'd argue that you are not fit for this discussion. You are exhibiting an acute susceptibility to the subject matter as exhibited by lashing out a the female poster for giving her honest opinion.

That's fine ignore me, I will ignore you too, in the few threads I've observed your posts on it is barely worth responding. Best of luck here.

 

[Younigue]

As a sane human being I regard his "apology" as a musing of why he just doesn't care at all but have to do it in a way so that the people that love his retarded antics can at least interpret it as an apology.

As a man who knows how to act like a man I call the apology bullshit and nothing else.

Sure, you, as a woman, would accept it since you never been in that position but what if you had? What if your daughter had? Would you still be fine with it?

Your daughter got sexually assaulted and all you thought was needed was a half arsed apology where the fucker made fun of the situation?

I think not.

LOL, I have been in the position. I was a housekeeper for a few years. It's absurd the things some people think you want to see. I have seen several penis' that I didn't ask to see. Funny part was they all of them seemed so impressed with themselves. Did I feel marginally violated? Sure. Was a devastated or destroyed by it? No. My self-worth or, confidence wasn't impacted in any way.

J. Yes, you know for you how a man should behave and if you behave decently 100% of the time and always have that is admirable and I'm impressed.

Pertaining to children I was never able to have... I don't know how I would react but I would hope it would be proportionate to the crime and that the dialogue between myself and my child would generate the same self-value in them that I myself have.

J.? You come out super angry about a lot of things. You also appear to really despise Americans. It's this forum a means with which to express your disdain for Americans in general? What's up pup? Americans are humans too. Possibly take that in to consideration when you take out your broom of sweeping comments? And not just about Americans but in general? I am a female, I do not require any one to make sweeping comments on my behalf. If I were suggesting all women must feel as I feel then you could stomp on my ass but I respect these women that need a different solution, acknowledgment, closure than I myself would require. For me, I think his apology was genuine. If his victims don't feel that way then they don't feel that way. I wish them security, health of mind, healing and closure.

 

[Younigue]

This has been my take on it as well, and interested to see you thinking along the same lines. I do feel that there is a "spectrum" in all of this, where on the one end you have monsters like Weinstein and now Moore, and on this end you have, well, "loser pervs" like Louis C.K. ...I add the "loser" part because that is more or less his self-defined M.O. and, if anything, we can now look back and realize that his comedy is more or less an outward display and "confession" of his perverted fetish. I've been trying to reconcile this in discussions with co-workers because I'm honestly confused with why I find myself trying to defend or sympathize with Louis, separate him from these other clear monsters, and I'm not sure if it's because I always liked his frank, honest, bizarre humor, his self-deprecating loser mentality, or I'm starting to get fatigued from what is surely only the tip of all of what is about to be revealed about this industry (and probably any corporate power structure) going forward.

But I don't think it's that, and I think I figured out why, with Louis, there is something in his behavior that still elicits fair and honest sympathy, despite the fact that his behavior and actions are demonstrably unacceptable, and deserving of a certain, appropriate level of punishment. And it is not to discredit or ignore the very real emotions and pain that any of these women went through....but I am thinking that this thing, with Louis, when you understand that he's spend his entire career more or less talking about these dark thoughts, if not honest that we all sort of recognize and identify with even if we don't act on them, are very real for him. This is his "thing." It's his fetish. People are into some (to me) very weird shit--I knew a girl that was seriously into being bound, and it was a scheduled, organized, rule-bound happening with the proper safety. That, to me, is very weird....but I get it. Certainly, there are groups that are absolutely into group masturbation and there is no doubt that they get together for this.

But then ask, "Hey Louis, you're rich, you know this is not a cool way to act out, why don't you just find one of these groups, or just pay some hookers to engage you?" So now you look at Hugh Grant, Eddie Murphy, the Heidi Fleiss revelations...a guy like Louis with this kind of fetish really has no outlet for his fetish that does not rationally lead to blackmail and the end of his career. But does that still excuse the way that he has acted on it? absolutely not. I think his letter reads well and is, in no way, self-serving in the way that you see from a guy like Kevin Spacey who seems to have neither remorse nor appreciation for what he has done. I do think Louis has honestly suffered in life because of this...I'm not saying more than the women involved, but I think it is clear that he has. I think it is safe to say that this was a big part of his divorce and his wife just couldn't deal with it anymore, both of them probably hoping that it wouldn't manifest as it has. I wonder how in his early career, obscurely writing for Conan and SNL, how he was for so long that unknown but brilliant "comic's type of comic," that his material was both beloved while being understood to be a "bit too off" for mainstream....but also how some of that within the community was actually known among a few of them, and again just put off as yet another example of "the things that go on in Hollywood." To that end, I'd really be interested in Conan's take, but I'd be surprised if we hear anything from him.

I believe the guy is being sincere and I hope, if appropriate, he can reach out to the women involved and maybe more to the public about this. It doesn't seem like he has been using this fetish as a power move or as a very direct goal of domination. I do think he's been troubled with this fetish and has probably felt "trapped" in ways that don't allow him to act on them in reasonable, more socially acceptable ways (honestly, these days, I feel it would be passed off as yet another community, I just don't want to know about it...). I hope he gets (better) therapy and if more, even worse is to come to light, that he meets the appropriate justice.

It seems that the industry truly does breed/enforce/encourage the display of such behavior, either generally weird or truly monstrous, and we are watching a watershed moment that hasn't even begun to start. I heard that CA/LA DA(s) are organizing a special task force to deal specifically with these issues and all further plaintiffs and defendants that will be swept in by this.

I'm not sure I would call how I feel about Louis sympathetic. If his career is ruined forever with no feasibility of making a comeback, then so be it. I just know for me I don't hate the guy as a violent offender. I'm grossed out and disappointed. His victims feel how they feel. I do hope they are being honest with themselves with how they actually feel and not how people are telling them they should feel.

 

[Ajay]

Man gets caught doing a bunch of nasty shit, issues a lengthy apology, people trust it.

Where was this apology after the first incident? Or the second? Or the third? It's only now that he's been "caught", so to speak, that he came out and issued a statement on it.

Yep. Some of his comedy was downright freaky - now we know why. People are happy because he's good at CYA?! How long before he's in an Arizona rehab like the some others?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Man gets caught doing a bunch of nasty shit, issues a lengthy apology, people trust it.

Where was this apology after the first incident? Or the second? Or the third? It's only now that he's been "caught", so to speak, that he came out and issued a statement on it.

It's a well crafted apology. I hope that whoever wrote it was well compensated.

 

[Homerboy]

It's a well crafted apology. I hope that whoever wrote it was well compensated.

So you hope Louis CK is well compensated?
I'm willing to be 100% he write it himself.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So you hope Louis CK is well compensated?
I'm willing to be 100% he write it himself.

I'm not. In situations like this these kinds of "apologies" are pretty much always bought and paid for. Saving reputations is a lucrative industry.

 

[Viper GTS]

Having bought a few of his specials directly from him over the years I get his emails. He certainly gives the impression that he writes those himself (if not explicitly saying it, I'll go back & look) and this sounds exactly the same. If he's paying anyone to write for him he should fire them as his emails are full of typos, misspellings, and generally terrible copywriting.

He may have consulted with people but I'd put money on it being him as well.

Viper GTS

 

[allisolm]

Almost everyone has made apologies but this one isn't an apology, it's making short and fun of the situation and not an apology at all.

How anyone can accept sexual assault so lightly from him but condemn others for it speaks not to highly of the level of integrity of the people doing so.

But sure, if this happened to your daughter and the guy doing it said "sorry for showing my dick to your daughter while forcing her to be in the room while I masturbated" then you' d probably be perfectly fine with that.

Right?

I really hate this part of politics because people just check out their brain to have opinions that they wouldn't have if this was someone like Richard Spencer or some comedian that wasn't wildly popular with your crowd.

Goodness. My one line reply certainly triggered a lot of unwarranted assumptions on your part, but , until I have more information that changes it, I'll stick with my original assessment, and I will be perfectly fine with the level of my integrity and the state of my brain. By the way, I have never heard Louis C.K.'s comedy so, if he is so wildly popular with my crowd, it is a crowd that doesn't include me.

 

[DrunkenSano]

It's a well crafted apology. I hope that whoever wrote it was well compensated.

I would be surprised if he didn't write most of it. I would also be surprised if it wasn't vetted by a lawyer or a team of lawyers first and he had to edit some things. But I doubt someone drafted the entire thing for him.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm not. In situations like this these kinds of "apologies" are pretty much always bought and paid for. Saving reputations is a lucrative industry.

I don't think anyone would be paid to include the word "dick," multiple times, in such an apology. That is pretty clearly Louis C.K.'s language, inappropriate or not, acceptable as it may or may not be....I think it's pretty clear that he wrote that one. I also think it's pretty clear that Kevin Spacey wrote his.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Meh...Louis CK has done everything he could over the years to hide from the consequences of his actions. He couldn't hide any more. He's getting ahead of the story, changing the narrative. The very least he could have done was actually say sorry to these women. If the people he harassed choose to accept this apology then I will stand by their choice 100%. They are the only people that matter in this story.

It comes across more as a confession, not an apology.

But...having said that...At least he finally admitted it happened. His mea culpa is one of the better ones I’ve seen for sexual misconduct.