GUYS THE BTX COOLER RUMORS ARE TRUE!!!

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Sentential
You would be naive if you thought that AMD doesnt have plans for BTX as well. Remember that there were several BTX amd boards at Cebit.

Did AMD ever use Rambus? I think not. Your arguement in that sense is moot

They never used Rambus, but I believe that rambus corp.'s plans were for domination of the market.

It wouldn't serve AMD's purposes at this time to use BTX. The problems with the memory placement wrecks havok with the memory controller. Also, for them, its simply not nessiary for them to implement.

IF (and thats a big IF) it becomes very popular, or AMD's thermal values get FUBAR'd somehow, then, yeah, AMD will adopt it.

Whether AMD likes it or not it *will* happen. AMD just cant keep cranking out 100W+ and just under 100W processors on ATX and expect people to tolerate high amounts of noise. Its only a matter of time

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Sentential
You would be naive if you thought that AMD doesnt have plans for BTX as well. Remember that there were several BTX amd boards at Cebit.

Did AMD ever use Rambus? I think not. Your arguement in that sense is moot

They never used Rambus, but I believe that rambus corp.'s plans were for domination of the market.

It wouldn't serve AMD's purposes at this time to use BTX. The problems with the memory placement wrecks havok with the memory controller. Also, for them, its simply not nessiary for them to implement.

IF (and thats a big IF) it becomes very popular, or AMD's thermal values get FUBAR'd somehow, then, yeah, AMD will adopt it.

Whether AMD likes it or not it *will* happen. AMD just cant keep cranking out 100W+ and just under 100W processors on ATX and expect people to tolerate high amounts of noise. Its only a matter of time

Did you not consider L3p3rM355i4h's response at all - AMD cannot currently implement BTX with the Athlon64 due to the location of the CPU in BTX. The internal memory controller on the Athlon64 requires that the dual-channel memory has a short path to the CPU that location in the BTX standard does not afford (not for two channels, anyways). Intel does not have this problem because they still use the Northbridge as a memory controller.


Ironically, using Rambus could possibly kill two birds with one stone since Rambus has far fewer traces than DDR. For the moment, however, it doesn't look like either Intel or AMD will be using Rambus in their solutions, nor will AMD need to move to BTX.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Sentential
You would be naive if you thought that AMD doesnt have plans for BTX as well. Remember that there were several BTX amd boards at Cebit.

Did AMD ever use Rambus? I think not. Your arguement in that sense is moot

They never used Rambus, but I believe that rambus corp.'s plans were for domination of the market.

It wouldn't serve AMD's purposes at this time to use BTX. The problems with the memory placement wrecks havok with the memory controller. Also, for them, its simply not nessiary for them to implement.

IF (and thats a big IF) it becomes very popular, or AMD's thermal values get FUBAR'd somehow, then, yeah, AMD will adopt it.

Whether AMD likes it or not it *will* happen. AMD just cant keep cranking out 100W+ and just under 100W processors on ATX and expect people to tolerate high amounts of noise. Its only a matter of time

Did you not consider L3p3rM355i4h's response at all - AMD cannot currently implement BTX with the Athlon64 due to the location of the CPU in BTX. The internal memory controller on the Athlon64 requires that the dual-channel memory has a short path to the CPU that location in the BTX standard does not afford (not for two channels, anyways). Intel does not have this problem because they still use the Northbridge as a memory controller.


Ironically, using Rambus could possibly kill two birds with one stone since Rambus has far fewer traces than DDR. For the moment, however, it doesn't look like either Intel or AMD will be using Rambus in their solutions, nor will AMD need to move to BTX.

Actually no I did not. Whether AMD likes it or not BTX is where the industry is going. Seeing that they already have BTX boards in the works is proof of such. Btw..nothing is impossible, they'll figure something out

 

[Leper Messiah]

they'll figure something out is not an answer.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
they'll figure something out is not an answer.

Why isn't it?

They (AMD) aren't stupid. I'm sure you realize that BTX isn't the first challenge they've overcome.

 

[MDE]

BTX isn't really up to AMD, it's the motherboard makers that get to do creative engineering. Sure AMD may help out, but in the end it really isn't their problem.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
they'll figure something out is not an answer.

They dont have any other choice....

 

[Like a Fox Yet Again]

Originally posted by: BW86

Originally posted by: shabby
Max. Air Flow: 40.3 to 126CFM
Noise: 23.5 to 56 dB

Nice specs, but when you add a smokin prescott that fan will be spinning full blast at 56 whirring decibels.

thats a loud hsf

Hence why Zalman came into creation, and lemme tell you when god saw, it was good.

 

[AnandThenMan]

It's idiotic to assume BTX is where the industry is going. RAMBUS is where the industry was going as well. BTX is a band-aid for Intel and not much more. It has some advantages, but it is hardly that much better than ATX.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: clarkey01

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Avalon
Looks like a brick.

Probably the most popular A64 heatsink recommended here is the Thermalright XP90 or XP120. And the most popular S478 cooler is the Zalman CNPS7000... All of those are larger than this one.

XP90 = L116 x W96 x H75 (mm) without fan
XP120 = L110 x W125 x H63 (mm) Fin only, without fan
CNPS7000 = 109(L) x 109(W) x 62(H)
CL-P0030 = 92x86x75mm

So... What are we overreacting about, again???

Seems a bit fanboyish, looks normal to me. Think your all overreacting

My comment is fanboyish?
If I said Zalman HSFs looked like fruity flowers, would that make me an Intel fanboy?

 

[stevty2889]

Does anyone remember that ram technology Intel was hyping a few years back....Rambus! Any one got a rambus system going right now? I thought not.

I have 2 systems still running with Rambus..sure it was definatly overpriced, and the company has some shady practices, but it was a good technology, and smokin fast with early northwoods..but I don't think BTX will become mainstream, since higher clock speeds are no longer the focus. All I gotta say is 2006 will be an interesting year...65nm may turn the tables..

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: erikvanvelzen
Guys, you are overseeing one thing: one of the most important goals of BTX is to decrease the size of your case by placing al the parts closer together with by a more efficient layout. The new BTX board are/will be smaller than ATX. I think this is a good thing. BTX also reduces cable clutter in the case (this is arguable, but I does, though not much).

How does it reduce cable clutter? The same cables will still be there, and if I want small I would buy a mATX or even Flex.

BTX is here for NO other reason that intel can;t make a CPU (P4 prescott) that does not run like a small space heater.

Would you please educate yourself on BTX before commenting again.... Go read some BTX articles and you will see what the reasoning is behind it. BTX was in the works LOOONG before prescotts were here.

 

[blinky2004]

Originally posted by: LifeStealer
BTX and ATX are form factors. Most newer pcs use and have been using for the past 10+ years the ATX form factor. The BTX is a new form factor Intel has cooked up to help their CPU run a little cooler. BTX moves the CPU into more direct air flow while putting the north bridge away from it. It most likely won't be adopted, if it will ATX still has two years left at least.

Dell have recently announced that they are going to be using BTX. That will have a big impact on the market.