GUYS THE BTX COOLER RUMORS ARE TRUE!!!

[The Boston Dangler]

Unfortunately, AMD won't go to BTX any time soon. It's necessary for Intel, and AMD will be damned if they help the 800 lb gorilla. Too bad, otherwise my $85 2500 Barton might hit 3 gigs with just 1 80mm fan in the whole comp.

 

[Cha0s]

i wonder when itel will get up to 100dB

 

[agnitrate]

We should make all HSFs as big as they can get so we can keep our processors cooler.

-silver

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
my last 4 or so systems ahve been AMD but i'm realy getting tired of reading all these "prescott's run hot" threads... everyone knows that... but have you guys seen what sort of damage a 5 ghz prescott can do? go check out xtremesystems.org... at least those guys don't constantly cry and whine about prescott's running so hot...

Yes, but using stock cooling in stock chassis at nominal room ambient temps? Highly unlikely. In fact many end users of Intel's higher-speed Prescotts don't even get the CPU speeds that they paid for, due to the effects of thermal throttling built-in to the chips. (Which is good, the chips won't burn, but it's bad, because the user doesn't get the performance that they paid for either.)

 

[SonicIce]

BTX is just a scam to absorb more money

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: AkumaX
you guys are looking at this the wrong way: don't you WANT a cooler this big on your A64? think of how high you can o/c it on air!!!!

Right on! I think I have the biggest one on the planet on my A64 the CL-P0025, it makes the CL-P0030 look like a wee baby! Barely fits in a large tower case and dwarfs the entire mobo. But it cools as well as the XP-120 if not better and is dead silent
The bigger the better! :laugh:. You guys with the window cases wouldn't like it though, look in the window and all you would see is CPU cooler:roll:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: AkumaX
you guys are looking at this the wrong way: don't you WANT a cooler this big on your A64? think of how high you can o/c it on air!!!!

Right on! I think I have the biggest one on the planet on my A64 the CL-P0025, it makes the CL-P0030 look like a wee baby! Barely fits in a large tower case and dwarfs the entire mobo. But it cools as well as the XP-120 if not better and is dead silent
The bigger the better! :laugh:. You guys with the window cases wouldn't like it though, look in the window and all you would see is CPU cooler:roll:

All the better to hide all the fricking wires/cables I'm too lazy to tidy up!

The future of BTX is rather sketchy. It'll probably be popular in OEM systems where form factors don't really matter to the consumer, but for most of us DIYers, I think BTX will be rare if used at all. Intel would have to release a processor that just ownz AMD before everyone would rush out and gladly pay for a BTX case.

 

[MrControversial]

BTX was developed when Intel believed that they could scale their clockspeed higher and higher. When that proved to not be the case, BTX became unecessary. Now Intel is stuck with stillborn technology. It's only advantage is extra cooling which the dual core chips won't need since they won't be running at 5-6GHz.

 

[MrControversial]

Originally posted by: boshuter

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
once again you guys are proving to be a forum full of AMD fanboys...

everyone knows the prescott runs hot... any reason why people have to keep beating this point into everyone over and over again???

if amd released a processor that ran HOTTER than a prescott, would we see everyone on this forum crying... "OMG AMD PROCESSORS RUN SO HOT!!" of course not... i'm sure there'd be tons of people that'd back up amd saying stuff like... "well it's necessary blah blah blah"

put yourself into wingznuts shoes... i don't blame him at all for standing up for intel (yes he works there) but still...

my last 4 or so systems ahve been AMD but i'm realy getting tired of reading all these "prescott's run hot" threads... everyone knows that... but have you guys seen what sort of damage a 5 ghz prescott can do? go check out xtremesystems.org... at least those guys don't constantly cry and whine about prescott's running so hot...

can't we discuss something like the dual core amd chips that are just around the corner? or even the dual gpu video cards that are coming out soon?

This used to be a good forum for overclockers....... you could actualy find some intelligent discussion no matter what your preference was...... that has changed a LOT. Try finding one post about an Intel and you have all the AMD fanboys spouting the same crap over and over. It's especially pitiful when they are Elite and Life members doing most of the spouting. Who cares what you want to run? I see these "life" members taking every opportunity to say how hot the Prescotts run...... Hmmm..... I notice some even run water to cool thier A64 3000's.... what's up with that? I have 2 prescott's running at over 4ghz and I don't need water to cool them. I seriously considered going with an FX55 when I built my last system but went with the 3.6e lga775 just so I would't be lumped in with this new AMD crowd. I enjoy reading about overclocking both AMD and Intel, I just don't understand why they have this attitude that what they have is somehow better and if you don't have that you don't deserve the same respect they demand.

No, you're just an Intel fanboy that can't stand AMD being touted. If I can remember correctly, before the 64's hit, the P4 2.4C was the sh*t on all forums because it was a great overclocker. As far as I see, everyone's partial to whoever has the price/performance crown. Right now that's AMD and that's why we're touting them. That can change tomorrow. The real fanboys are the people like yourself who can't stand to hear anything that puts Intel in a bad light. I don't consider myself an AMD guy or an Intel guy. I've built two systems, one with Intel and two with AMD and they were built when one or the other was the better deal. Right now AMD is the better deal. So DEAL with it.

 

[miketheidiot]

I like the better cooling :thumbsup:

 

[AnandThenMan]

A truck radiator strapped to a water block has "better cooling" so should we use that? That cooler screams desperation.

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: MrControversial
before the 64's hit, the P4 2.4C was the sh*t on all forums because it was a great overclocker. As far as I see, everyone's partial to whoever has the price/performance crown.

Exactly. For once I agree with you.

I've built way more Intel systems then AMD systems, but rite now AMD is on top. Just because I know that, I'm labeled a "fanboy"

If anyone wants to label me a fanboy... I'm a performance fan, period. Also, my current favorite CPU is constantly subject to change. If Intel came out with a CPU that spanked the A64, take a guess whos CPU I'd be using?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
A truck radiator strapped to a water block has "better cooling" so should we use that? That cooler screams desperation.

nah those are too big

 

[Icopoli]

Has anyone noticed how Intel makes their CPUs like a v8/v10 engine? Make it bigger and uses more power. AMD makes them like a riced up v4/v6 making it more efficient and reliable.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Ya know, if an NF4 chipset was available in BTX they would be flying off the shelves. It would be the best of both worlds. I don't understand why technically savvy people would be so opposed to a naturally better way of doing things. The big cooler? Who cares? It's not like you're carrying it in your pocket protector. Besides, it's an optional change. Brand new ATX stuff will be around for years, just like PCI isn't going to disappear soon.

 

[thriemus]

Originally posted by: Icopoli
Has anyone noticed how Intel makes their CPUs like a v8/v10 engine? Make it bigger and uses more power. AMD makes them like a riced up v4/v6 making it more efficient and reliable.

With you there as I drive a Straight 6 and look at the specs below...

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: Icopoli
Has anyone noticed how Intel makes their CPUs like a v8/v10 engine? Make it bigger and uses more power. AMD makes them like a riced up v4/v6 making it more efficient and reliable.

Well the analogy also goes the other direction since the Intel CPUs have to run higher revs in order to get serious power going, kinda like smaller displacement engines.

In that case, dualcore will give the p4 the torque it needs from the extra displacement.

I think a better analogy would be that the P4 is a gas hog while the A64 has been more efficient.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Avalon
Looks like a brick.

Probably the most popular A64 heatsink recommended here is the Thermalright XP90 or XP120. And the most popular S478 cooler is the Zalman CNPS7000... All of those are larger than this one.

XP90 = L116 x W96 x H75 (mm) without fan
XP120 = L110 x W125 x H63 (mm) Fin only, without fan
CNPS7000 = 109(L) x 109(W) x 62(H)
CL-P0030 = 92x86x75mm

So... What are we overreacting about, again???

Seems a bit fanboyish, looks normal to me. Think your all overreacting

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Not this BS again.

- M4H

 

[Sentential]

Looks fine to me. The sooner it arrives the better.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Sentential
Looks fine to me. The sooner it arrives the better.

IBM already uses BTX for some of their cases ... the Thinkcentre M51 for example.

- M4H

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Sentential
Looks fine to me. The sooner it arrives the better.

IBM already uses BTX for some of their cases ... the Thinkcentre M51 for example.

- M4H

I dont understand why people are bitching so much......better THIS than watercooling

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: mamisano

Originally posted by: TheStu

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I see nothing wrong with that heatsink... I mean, just turn off the fan, wait about 30 seconds, and then you can toss a slice of bread on it, make some toast, then put on your ear plugs, then turn the fan back on!

not an entirely bad idea.... of course that is if the heatsink will keep the proc cool for 30 secs...

to answer someone else's question... ATX or Advanced Technology eXtended (I believe it is advanced...) is the current form factor.... BTX or Balanced Technology eXtended is Intel's new form factor that AMD will be forced to adopt.

Ummm, AMD WILL NOT adopt BTX, they have no reason to and actually CAN NOT do it with the integrated memory controller. The Memory is placed too far away on the board to utilize an integrated memory contoller so it is physically not possible for them to utilize BTX.

Just because Intel designed BTX does not mean that AMD needs to adopt it... heck, even the industry has been reluctant to adopt it. BTW, this basically kills any possible chance of Intel going with an integrated memory controller, one of AMDs main benefits right now.

BTX should be renamed DOA...

Does anyone remember that ram technology Intel was hyping a few years back....Rambus! Any one got a rambus system going right now? I thought not.

 

[Sentential]

You would be naive if you thought that AMD doesnt have plans for BTX as well. Remember that there were several BTX amd boards at Cebit.

Did AMD ever use Rambus? I think not. Your arguement in that sense is moot

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Sentential
You would be naive if you thought that AMD doesnt have plans for BTX as well. Remember that there were several BTX amd boards at Cebit.

Did AMD ever use Rambus? I think not. Your arguement in that sense is moot

They never used Rambus, but I believe that rambus corp.'s plans were for domination of the market.

It wouldn't serve AMD's purposes at this time to use BTX. The problems with the memory placement wrecks havok with the memory controller. Also, for them, its simply not nessiary for them to implement.

IF (and thats a big IF) it becomes very popular, or AMD's thermal values get FUBAR'd somehow, then, yeah, AMD will adopt it.