Pohemi420:
I didn't intend to signify you thought you were the only person on the planet to have experienced this...just on these boards. And obviously, even THAT isn't true, which was my entire fucking point, but it went right over your head.
M: What difference does it make if something went right over my head. It is quite normal in my opinion in dialogues arguing points of view to have to go back and forth to hash things out. The point of view that I am expressing quite often is that humanity is in a catch 22, that we dismiss truth because we have hidden biases that make it appear unlikely. People generally call that willful ignorance but I do not see it as willful because that implies self control. We do not have self control because the self we imagine ourselves to be does not exist. Our unconscious motivations have the real control. Our motivations are not to know we were made to feel worthless. This is quite obvious when you psychoanalyze people with obvious self-esteem issues but not so much with more normally functioning people why will happily maintain that fiction.
I also notice or imagine I’m seeing here the complaint that I shouldn’t be accusing people of not seeing things while directing fury at me because I didn’t see the point you were making. I reaction to that is that while I am trying to explain to you the reasons that people do not see is because they have motivations that make that impossible, you are meanwhile furious at me for not seeing what you are saying. I was being factual whereas I hear anger in your statement. My point has been that being angry at people who don’t see is the result of not seeing they can’t help themselves.
P: And yeah,
@hal2kilo sounds like he might've, but you still make statements that assume that I (and/or others) have not.
M: Correct. I also assume the same about myself because I do not always know what I feel. I have not attained that level of awareness, but have experienced feeling rage so intensely it took me back to my childhood where the pain the rage was trying to keep me from remembering I relived consciously.
How your posts read to me:
'You believe this, you do that, and you think in this manner because this particular psychological thing was done to every fucking human on the planet as children. I understand this, but YOU do not. This is universal truth because it is what was shown to me, but you couldn't know this yourself, so *I* will tell you what is wrong with you. I'm not trying to
convince/convert you, I'm trying to
save you.'
M: Yes all true but I can’t save you. I am giving you the kind of facts which I think will try to help you save yourself, namely that you are trying to save yourself in the mistaken belief that you need something outside yourself to save you. What you need is saving from the belief you have something to save yourself from that is real. To save yourself means dying to that need by any means that provides grace. I think psychotherapy is the best way for modern people. But psychotherapy that is aimed at discovery of what we really feel, worthless at core.
P: Sounds no different than religious proselytizers.
M: What it sounds like is that if I listen to Moonbeam, it will mean the death of me. If you listen you will hear I’m saying that death won’t be a problem. Insert story of the Phoenix, Egyptian Book of the Dead, Jason and the Golden Fleece, stop me please.
P: See, you keep making this claim that I just don't understand or comprehend anything that you say, because I'm so lost and understand nothing of myself, much less the world around me. You might be right about my ego and rage, but that doesn't disqualify me from being able to understand what you're saying (mostly). That's more assumption, and doesn't mean I can't see when you're just recycling psycho-spiritual nonsense philosophy.
M: I keep saying you are taking what I am saying personally as if it were about you and not a key to deeper understanding meant for any willing to listen. You hear psychobabble. I disagree. That charge is inevitable. Nobody wants to know what they feel. None of that psychology crap for us rugged broad shouldered long suffering American males.
P: On a different note, who are these loons? There are obviously some citizens who would agree with or vote for outright bans on guns, but really? How can anyone NOT in the clowncar spit rwnj propaganda like it was cold hard fact?
M: That would be those liberals so out of touch with the many more moral concerns that conservatives have that fave conferred survival for the human race in its history that they become goodie two shoes knowing so well what for conservative they are willing to try to pass laws that violate those basic built in human instincts without doing anything real about the conditions that are actually the root causes of gun violence and suicide by firearms.
P: And you never answered the ONE question I asked you, hoping for a reply. You responded to everything
else, but ignored what I actually hoped to know. No need to bother now (or wonder wtf post I'm talking about).
M: I hear personal pique. Good grief. The only question that you asked me that I consciously avoided was my age that I experienced an insight that transformed my view of the world. I don’t know if this is what you refer to but the reason I didn’t answer is because I avoid providing much in the way of personal data. I try to do that, and at what I feel great loss to me personally, for the sake of being as much of a clean state as I can. That way when people make this or that claim about me that is designed to label me to be put on a box on the shelf, no real data is there and is provided only by projection. There is much that emotionally I would love to share but it would be selfish. Good for me but not so much for others. We label people so we can dismiss them. We box them up nicely with pretty bows. If the master of the age were to come to my door with the Book of Mormon in her hand I would doubtless miss out due to assumptions I believe to be correct.
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