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GTX650Ti Review Leak

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StrangerGuy said:
Eh, what? This thing barely beats the 7770 that got released 8 months ago and suddenly Nvidia now has a winner because it beats the 7770 at the then absurd launch pricing instead of the current pricing...Wow, your logic is astounding.
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According to the graph presented in the OP, it indicates that a stock clocked 650Ti is on average 21% faster than a stock 7770. 47.7fps vs. 57.9fps avg.
 
Keysplayr said:
According to the graph presented in the OP, it indicates that a stock clocked 650Ti is on average 21% faster than a stock 7770. 47.7fps vs. 57.9fps avg.
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Exactly. This isn't even remotely in the same performance category as the 7770. If the 7850 1GB is widely available at $160, though, it will be lights out for the 650ti.
 
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Keysplayr said:
Cheapest 1GB 7850 models range from 164 to 180 on newegg. 2GB model starts at 184. I'm not sure why you highlighted the 7850. Do you know what the launch MSRP is on the 650Ti? Maybe you should have highlighted the (and perhaps added LOL ) 7770 instead? Or 6870?
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Let me get this straight, comparing the 120$ 7770 to the 150$ ( 30$ delta ) 650ti is fair game but comparing the same 650ti to a 160$ 7850 1GB ( 10$ delta ) is just wrong?
 
Arzachel said:
Let me get this straight, comparing the 120$ 7770 to the 150$ ( 30$ delta ) 650ti is fair game but comparing the same 650ti to a 160$ 7850 1GB ( 10$ delta ) is just wrong?
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Hey, it's an amazing achievement for a 28nm Nvidia card to just beat out a 1.5 year old 5850 I bought for $150...3 years if you count the debut.
 
The cheaper the cards, the more the brand value can be used, as the buyers is often less informed about objective facts. Good for nv business, as the sub 200usd is where the volume and the total profit is.

NV will as usual try to position the cards against far cheaper cards, as thats their strategy to win the benchmarks. But it will be a tough sell for the reviewers to follow the guides this time i think, but anyway most of the buyers dont care.
 
Keysplayr said:
According to the graph presented in the OP, it indicates that a stock clocked 650Ti is on average 21% faster than a stock 7770. 47.7fps vs. 57.9fps avg.
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Funny how you "point out" the 21% improvement over the 7770. What about the nearly 50% increase in cost over the 7770 assuming the OP link for $150 is correct.

Let's also ignore the fact the 7850 does start at $10 more after rebate, but let's compare to a card that is $45 less.

According to current pricing on newegg hd 7770's start at $105 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161402). Many of them are < $125 after rebate thus they cost considerably less too. Speaking of which, that particular card is a GHz edition but I don't know if they all are or if that changed sometime after the introduction.

The only good to come out of this is that the 7850/7770 will drop in price thus increasing price/performance as this generation has otherwise been dismal.

Maybe Nvidia will still change the price or add rebates but first I'd guess they will milk it out.
 
wand3r3r said:
Funny how you "point out" the 21% improvement over the 7770. What about the nearly 50% increase in cost over the 7770 assuming the OP link for $150 is correct.

Let's also ignore the fact the 7850 does start at $10 more after rebate, but let's compare to a card that is $45 less.

According to current pricing on newegg hd 7770's start at $105 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161402). Many of them are < $125 after rebate thus they cost considerably less too. Speaking of which, that particular card is a GHz edition but I don't know if they all are or if that changed sometime after the introduction.

The only good to come out of this is that the 7850/7770 will drop in price thus increasing price/performance as this generation has otherwise been dismal.

Maybe Nvidia will still change the price or add rebates but first I'd guess they will milk it out.
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I can agree as well. I don't see any value in the GTX 650 or 650Ti at all. The prices need to come down.
 
Nvidia needs to learn to price their cards against the competition, not against their own products. I've purchased Nvidia exclusively for 12 years now, but that run is over.
 
AnonymouseUser said:
Nvidia needs to learn to price their cards against the competition, not against their own products. I've purchased Nvidia exclusively for 12 years now, but that run is over.
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I think they do, but they also appear to add a premium to their product pricing. For good or bad, I guess. As long as people still are buying their products, it may be justified. Why would they price it less, if people are willing to pay more? We are not talking a 100% markup or anything, but a modest increase.
 
Any more tips for a company that has no problem of smashing the face of it's competition even when being full node behind?
😎

BTW it's AIB's who are eating, and not just this AMD price cut.
Inventory has been stockpiling nicely, 4rd quarter is just around the corner, and they are really trying hard to raise hopes.

Nvidia has no such problems, and it's resellers don't have to follow occasional AMD "terrific offers", read channel clearing, because MSRP wise NVIDIA is very competitive.

Even this card at $149 trumps $129 HD7700 nicely.
 
f1sherman said:
Any more tips for a company that has no problem of smashing the face of it's competition even when being full node behind?
😎

BTW it's AIB's who are eating, and not just this AMD price cut.
Inventory has been stockpiling nicely, 4rd quarter is just around the corner, and they are really trying hard to raise hopes.

Nvidia has no such problems, and it's resellers don't have to follow occasional AMD "terrific offers", read channel clearing, because MSRP wise NVIDIA is very competitive.

Even this card at $149 trumps $129 HD7700 nicely.
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That's fine for the company's financials, now tell us how the 650Ti is a win for consumers.
 
f1sherman said:
Any more tips for a company that has no problem of smashing the face of it's competition even when being full node behind?
😎

BTW it's AIB's who are eating, and not just this AMD price cut.
Inventory has been stockpiling nicely, 4rd quarter is just around the corner, and they are really trying hard to raise hopes.

Nvidia has no such problems, and it's resellers don't have to follow occasional AMD "terrific offers", read channel clearing, because MSRP wise NVIDIA is very competitive.

Even this card at $149 trumps $129 HD7700 nicely.
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Did you even read the post above? HD 7770's start at $105 AR. ~50% more cost for ~20% performance is hardly trumping anything except maybe the points you are attempting.

Have you looked at newegg e.g. 670/680's? The vast majority have MIR's.
 
No matter what, NV is always right. NV can price inferior products for higher prices, because they can. The market decides. Simple as that.

Anything else to add?
 
wand3r3r said:
Did you even read the post above? HD 7770's start at $105 AR. ~50% more cost for ~20% performance is hardly trumping anything except maybe the points you are attempting.
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Chanel clearing of ballooned inventory does not equal MSRP.

HD7700 MSRP = $129
GTX 650 Ti MSRP = $149 (?)

Where did you get the idea that NV has to follow the price of every AMD garage sale?

Elfear said:
That's fine for the company's financials, now tell us how the 650Ti is a win for consumers.
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It gets you NV card at price/performance right between HD7700/7850?
 
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f1sherman said:
Chanel clearing of ballooned inventory does not equal MSRP.

HD7700 MSRP = $129
GTX 650 Ti MSRP = $149 (?)

Where did you get the idea that NV has to follow the price of every AMD garage sale?
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The data speaks for itself. You can buy a HD 7770 for a final cost of $105, or a gtx 650 ti for $150 assuming the OP is correct for 20% more performance. (and don't forget the 7850 for $10 more).

Apparently NV is having a "garage sale" as well. 😀
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&amp;PageSize=20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&amp;PageSize=20
 
wand3r3r said:
Did you even read the post above? HD 7770's start at $105 AR. ~50% more cost for ~20% performance is hardly trumping anything except maybe the points you are attempting.

Have you looked at newegg e.g. 670/680's? The vast majority have MIR's.
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So, the 650Ti can also be expected to have rebates like the rest of NV lineup? If not right away at launch, within a short time?

Without rebates 650Ti = $149
Without rebates 7770 = $125

~20% higher price for ~20% higher perf. Seems about right.

The 7850 1GB might be the better card for perf/$ though. Was that review done with the 1GB card?
 
wand3r3r said:
Funny how you "point out" the 21% improvement over the 7770. What about the nearly 50% increase in cost over the 7770 assuming the OP link for $150 is correct.

Let's also ignore the fact the 7850 does start at $10 more after rebate, but let's compare to a card that is $45 less.

According to current pricing on newegg hd 7770's start at $105 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161402). Many of them are < $125 after rebate thus they cost considerably less too. Speaking of which, that particular card is a GHz edition but I don't know if they all are or if that changed sometime after the introduction.

The only good to come out of this is that the 7850/7770 will drop in price thus increasing price/performance as this generation has otherwise been dismal.

Maybe Nvidia will still change the price or add rebates but first I'd guess they will milk it out.
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I didn't point it out. It's on the OP's graph.
And what are you talking about? 50% more expensive than the 7770 would have to cost 180.00. As the lowest priced 7770 on newegg is 119.xx before rebate (which I never count. Yes, even if it applies to an Nvidia card.).

Turns out if the 150 price tag is true, that would be exactly 25% over the cost of a 7770. Dang close to it's 21% average performance lead.
If you want me to be the only one who keeps the numbers real here, you're doing a good job of making it so. 😎
 
Keysplayr said:
I didn't point it out. It's on the OP's graph.
And what are you talking about? 50% more expensive than the 7770 would have to cost 180.00. As the lowest priced 7770 on newegg is 119.xx before rebate (which I never count. Yes, even if it applies to an Nvidia card.).

Turns out if the 150 price tag is true, that would be exactly 25% over the cost of a 7770. Dang close to it's 21% average performance lead.
If you want me to be the only one who keeps the numbers real here, you're doing a good job of making it so. 😎
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That's fine. I will just point out that a consumer can pay $105 in the end vs. $150 for ~80% of the performance. If you don't "want" to use that metric, at least don't try pretend like it's not true and somehow is discrediting. Yeah you can compare retail to retail, but for the consumer ~50% more is a lot more.

My only concern is bang for the buck and not trying to mislead people. Anyways, people can decide for themselves whether MIRs count, if they don't want to use them that's fine.
 
Granseth said:
650 has a price of 105$ after rebate as well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127701

But according to f1sherman this is probably because of ballooned inventory so it shouldn't be looked at when comparing perf/$.
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Nvidia same as AMD have jack squat with rebates.
All they do price wise is set MSRP. AIBs and resellers take it from there.

HD7000 have been selling under MSRP since forever, with not so rare too-good-to-be-true offers.
At the same time Nvidia products pretty much follow MSRP.

What does that tell you of AMD/NVIDIA demand/supply?
 
Raghu said:
So, the 650Ti can also be expected to have rebates like the rest of NV lineup? If not right away at launch, within a short time?

Without rebates 650Ti = $149
Without rebates 7770 = $125

~20% higher price for ~20% higher perf. Seems about right.

The 7850 1GB might be the better card for perf/$ though. Was that review done with the 1GB card?
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I really don't see how there is any question that the 7850 is the better card.
 
Keysplayr said:
I didn't point it out. It's on the OP's graph.
And what are you talking about? 50% more expensive than the 7770 would have to cost 180.00. As the lowest priced 7770 on newegg is 119.xx before rebate (which I never count. Yes, even if it applies to an Nvidia card.).

Turns out if the 150 price tag is true, that would be exactly 25% over the cost of a 7770. Dang close to it's 21% average performance lead.
If you want me to be the only one who keeps the numbers real here, you're doing a good job of making it so. 😎
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Is the 7770 comparison and the "before rebate/after rebate" debate just a red herring to avoid discussion about the 7850 apparently offering ~28% more performance for $10 more?
 
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