GTX650Ti Review Leak

[KingFatty]

Or you could of mannered up and asked, "Keys, could you perhaps snap some video of you playing BL2 with your 280 and the settings you used?"

My reply: "Sure KingFatty, no problem at all. Just give me til after work today and I'll have it sometime early evening tonight."

Sorry, I was not clear enough. I meant that, it's a non-sequitur to try to prove something about video card A, by showing results for video card B.

I don't dispute your claim about video card B. The issue is that regardless of whether video card B can do something, we still don't know what that says about video card A.

That's the non-sequitur aspect, it's a logical fallacy to assume that if your 280 can do something, then obviously the 650 can do it as well.

Sorry to offend, I'm just surprised that there was no explanation to justify why providing something about video card B will also prove something about video card A.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Review up:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6359/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-review

If NVIDIA could cut even $10 off of the price of the GTX 650 Ti they could escape the 7850’s shadow and at the same time return the favor to AMD by putting pressure on the 7770. But as it stands today the GTX 650 Ti only makes real sense for buyers who absolutely cannot go over $149; and they’re going to have to give up a lot of performance as a result.

Anandtech (Ryan) agrees, $149 is too much and $139 is a solid maybe, where I said $129 is a winner.

Anyone want to start a new reviews thread?

I'm guessing there just isn't enough interest in this card...

 

[RussianSensation]

RS you compared cheapest 7870 with GTX660 DCII.

And there is a perfectly good EVGA SC, as well as 7870 DCII on the same scan.co.uk

Again, there are 6 other 7870s with great after-market coolers, all going for less than 200 pounds. Don't spin the point especially since I already explained it above in my post and you still go out of your way to try to make it seem I used bias to pick 7870 prices when I even explained there are 3 other 7870s well under 190. HD7870 costs less in UK on average than a 660 and NV has an overall price premium for its entire line in the UK and most of Europe.

As far this card goes, it's an absolute turd at the current price. $149 for reference cards is just $10-20 less than the much faster 7850 1GB, while after-market cards going for $170-180 is again just $10-20 less than the much faster HD7850 2GB.

NV overpriced this card, just like it overpriced GTS450 and GTX550Ti. It's even worse though. Since NV is 8 months late with this card, they should have delivered better value (i.e., like GTX670/680) but instead they delivered worse value than either the HD7770 for $119 (actually can be found for $105 after rebates) or $160-165 HD7850s on Newegg.

 

[wand3r3r]

The review just echoes what most of us have been saying since seeing the initial numbers (minus the couple fanboys). At the current pricing the card is overpriced.

 

[NIGELG]

Sorry, I was not clear enough. I meant that, it's a non-sequitur to try to prove something about video card A, by showing results for video card B.

I don't dispute your claim about video card B. The issue is that regardless of whether video card B can do something, we still don't know what that says about video card A.

That's the non-sequitur aspect, it's a logical fallacy to assume that if your 280 can do something, then obviously the 650 can do it as well.

Sorry to offend, I'm just surprised that there was no explanation to justify why providing something about video card B will also prove something about video card A.

I'm sure he can get a card A for free.....and then then tell us how it plays.

 

[RussianSensation]

I was hoping somebody would present this argument, but I'm a bit disappointed it was you Russian. Because I've been playing BL2 at 1920x1200, All settings high and farthest. PhysX high. On my................ wait for it................... GTX280 and maintaining playable framerates. Single player mode and framerates stay above 25fps and hover around 32-37 on average. That is a GTX280 dude.

Remember the BL2 thread where I linked a video of a 2500K + HD7970 running PhysX High and in places with lots of fluid/physX simulation, the performance dipped to 28-35 fps and I said that the game still felt more smooth than most FPSers but people told me I was basically crazy for saying this? You yourself kept pushing in that thread that we needed an NV card because these types of frames were unplayable basically. Now you are saying 32-37 fps average with dips well below 32 fps are perfectly fine? You can't have it both ways.

I am so tired of the BS around here.

Maybe you should be honest like Chris Ray was and tell NV HQ when they overpriced a shiny turd? $149 MSRP is getting blown away by a $159-169 HD7850 by 25-50% in games in AnandTech's review and after-market 650Tis going for $160-180 are quickly approaching HD7850 2GB that will mop the floor with them. Take overclocking into account and GTX650Ti isn't even on the map against a 7850. HD7850 easily overclocks to HD7870 speeds and HD7870 is 65% faster than GTX650Ti. Wow! All that for just $20 more.

Here is the math:

Newegg has at least 4 HD7770s for $115-130.

The cheapest GTX650Ti on Newegg at the moment is $155.

Now look at the price of 7850. 1GB can be purchased for $160-175 easily and 2GB can be found for $180-190.

GTX650Ti offers just 13-19% more performance at 1080P over HD7770 despite a 19-35% higher price on Newegg. That's overpriced.
HD7850 1GB/2GB offers 32-34% more performance at 1080P over GTX650Ti despite a 3-23% higher price on Newegg. That's far better price/performance.
1080P performance summary taken from ComputerBase and TechPowerup.

NV overpriced this card. I said from day 1 they would if they priced it at $149. NV should have priced this at $129. When you increase AA even more, GTX650Ti is just 5% faster than 7770, trails HD7850 by 49% and HD7870 by 77%. That means the memory bandwidth and ROP setup of the GTX650ti are extremely deficient to handle next generation games even with minimal AA.

Even when overclocked, this card can't even beat an HD6950 2GB in BF3, one of the worst games for HD6000 series:

HD6950 2GB is 22% faster at 1080P at TPU than a $165 Asus DCUII 650Ti TOP and costs $170 on Newegg.

 

[Phynaz]

I am so tired of the BS around here.

There's an easy solution to that. Of course there's a cost to you if you use that solution. Only you can decide if that cost is worth it, so far I guess it's not.

 

[krumme]

Well at least it pan out as expected. As ususal NV tried to position it against the cheaper stuff, but it was to long a stretch this time.

The minor difference being AMD ajusting the 1g 7850 just so slightly before the release.

Thats the power of well executed marketing. Usual a dicipline NV masters, but it looks like after all the years finaly AMD learned some of the basics. And Rory stupid, keep price up,-> total failure tactics from the spring is rest to bed. AMD have learned they are not the market leaders.

The 650ti is cheap and effective stuff, they can easily sell this for 99 and still make a healthy profit. NV portfolio is very strong now, if just to late to the party. But what the heck, for the segments, they sell on Batman and brand and can get whatever old 40nm over the desk. Hell their sales force and logistics is so trong they could sell whatever color the card

 

[Smartazz]

Slower than a 6870? I guess at least it's more efficient.
Edit: I guess it's actually around the same performance.

 

[RussianSensation]

HD6870 launched on October 22, 2010. GTX650Ti is still slower and HD6870 has been on sale for $150-160 range for at least 12 months since last summer, occasionally dipping to $135-145. In fairness, HD6870 didn't launch at $149. GTX650Ti would have been an awesome little GPU for the next generation Wii U as it does have unbeatable performance/watt. Ironically, I think NV GPUs would have been far better options for all 3 next generation options as they have superior performance/watt this round.

 

[SolMiester]

Would it be too much to talk about the good points for new cards instead of the slagging match and whinge about a better card for a few dollars more...

TBH, I dont know why I even come here nowadays....

 

[Keysplayr]

Would it be too much to talk about the good points for new cards instead of the slagging match and whinge about a better card for a few dollars more...

TBH, I dont know why I even come here nowadays....

If there were separate forums, we certainly could. But alas...

You have to learn to play nicely with others. You can't go hide in your respective caves; the internet echo chamber effect does no one any favors.
-ViRGE

 

[RussianSensation]

Would it be too much to talk about the good points for new cards instead of the slagging match and whinge about a better card for a few dollars more...

TBH, I dont know why I even come here nowadays....

It would be easy to talk about good points of a new card if it had more than 1 - power consumption. It's pretty hard to praise a $150 GPU that is 8 months late and has horrendous performance with MSAA compared to a $160-165 competitor.

It's pretty amazing after the excellent 8800GT, GTX460 768/1GB and GTX560/560Ti, in the desktop discrete GPU space NV completely bombed this generation in MSAA performance, overclocking and price/performance under $300 price range by neutering ROPs and memory bandwidth. GTX650Ti 1GB at $150 and GTX650Ti 2GB for $170 are laughably overpriced for what you actually get.

 

[Grooveriding]

Another over priced mid-range stinker from nvidia.

 

[ViRGE]

Since the finished reviews are out, this thread can be closed up.
-ViRGE