GTX480 hits 87c and higher on load?

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SlowSpyder

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That's apparently from Nvidia's reviewers guide:
http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125009

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Wow, according to those Nvidia-sourced benches, Fermi is significantly faster than Cypress. Once NDA lifts, if these numbers are true, I can't wait to see how Charlie tries to spin his way out of this.

On the other hand, if these numbers end up being false and Charlie's ~10% number is more accurate then I expect certain members here who have bashed Charlie over his Fermi articles to be just as appalled at Nvidia. Because this anti-Charlie crusade some seem to be on is fueled by a deep desire for the truth, no some bullshit fanboy garbage, I'm sure...
 

Dark4ng3l

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You guys need to calm down about Nvidia benches. If the picture is so bright for them you have to wonder why the first thing they showed was the Heaven benchmark where both cards were mostly equal with the 480 being ahead during the ''hardest'' 5% of the test. You wonder why they didn't just show some Farcry2 benchmarks and said '' Our card destroys everything in its path''

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That sheet has BFBC2 twice in it and it gives 2 different results. it looks like somebody failed at copy-paste or they might be fake.
 
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happy medium

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You guys need to calm down about Nvidia benches. If the picture is so bright for them you have to wonder why the first thing they showed was the Heaven benchmark where both cards were mostly equal with the 480 being ahead during the ''hardest'' 5% of the test. You wonder why they didn't just show some Farcry2 benchmarks and said '' Our card destroys everything in its path''

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That sheet has BFBC2 twice in it and it gives 2 different results. it looks like somebody failed at copy-paste or they might be fake.

You have to calm down with the Nvidia bashing.
Every time someone posts something positive about Fermi you are quick to flame it.

Just ridiculous dude...really give it a rest.
 

dookulooku

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Damn..nothing will run Crysis. 480 SLI goes from 30 to 41. Two more years from now there probably still won't be hardware that will get a 60 average. Crytek needs to learn how to code. Metro almost doubles performance with SLI. Stalker is around 50%.

Possibly a CPU bottleneck? If you looked carefully, the SLI scores are almost double at 25x16. The minimal drop going from 4x -> 8x is also encouraging.

Crysis loves texture power; and if you read the GF100 previews from Jan., you'll know that the 480 is at a disadvantage compared to the 5870 (and the GTX 285) when it comes to texture address units.
 

toyota

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Possibly a CPU bottleneck? If you looked carefully, the SLI scores are almost double at 25x16. The minimal drop going from 4x -> 8x is also encouraging.

Crysis loves texture power; and if you read the GF100 previews from Jan., you'll know that the 480 is at a disadvantage compared to the 5870 (and the GTX 285) when it comes to texture address units.
no it isnt. the 480sp card will have 60 texture units that run at the same speed as the sp which will be 1400mhz. thats MORE texture power than the 5870 has with 80 texture units running at 850.
 

dookulooku

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well thats different from what I read or misread before. still the 64 tmu on fermi seem to be better than a normal 64 because it has 256 filtering where the gt200 only had 80.

That's probably true. Overall texture perf should be far superior to GT200, since texture perf is a very important factor in performance. But fewer texture addresses per clock is going to hurt in some places - it really depends on the app.
 

PlasmaBomb

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You guys need to calm down about Nvidia benches. If the picture is so bright for them you have to wonder why the first thing they showed was the Heaven benchmark where both cards were mostly equal with the 480 being ahead during the ''hardest'' 5% of the test. You wonder why they didn't just show some Farcry2 benchmarks and said '' Our card destroys everything in its path''

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That sheet has BFBC2 twice in it and it gives 2 different results. it looks like somebody failed at copy-paste or they might be fake.

They are both 19x12 -> 62 - 69 - 113...
 

Ben90

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Why worry about this? Semiconductors can run much hotter than this. The engineers know what they are doing. If your card gets too hot from sucking in horse hair and hits 125C it will throttle back. Don't worry about it. (but clean your room!) :p

Lonyo said:
had no confusion, I was just pointing out that fact. Everything else doesn't stay the same, so saying "oh no the GTX480 runs at 87c" is meaningless, because there is more at work than power consumption. The temperature of the GTX480 gives no indication of power consumption, only of the effectiveness or otherwise of the supplied cooling solution.

Add in the lack of knowledge of the test setup which resulted in those temperatures and you end up with something which is entirely meaningless.

The HD5970 runs cooler than the HD5870, just to highlight the disconnect between power and heat when comparing two entirely different graphics cards where almost nothing is the same. If I really wanted, I could get an HD5870 to run at 80c under idle if I set the conditions up correctly. That doesn't mean it's suddenly using more power to end up running hotter.

We don't appreciate your kind around here. Using Logical arguements without bashing either Nvidia/ATi just days before a NDA lifts? Either pick a side and stop using common sense or get out of the heck out of the video card forum!

But yea, that article linked means absolutely nothing. We don't have all the variables.
 

evolucion8

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You have to calm down with the Nvidia bashing.
Every time someone posts something positive about Fermi you are quick to flame it.

Just ridiculous dude...really give it a rest.

Why the bashing? stop being such a fanboy and give it a rest. There's no reason to attack him because he just stated that the BFC2 results was pasted twice, didn't say that Fermi sucks or similar stuff.

Overall, GTX 470 is fairly unimpressive, is barely competitive with the HD 5870 if we use the charts in there in which lost 21 tests of the 27 in direct comparison to the HD 5870, but none of the wins/loses of both cards are significant tough. The GTX 480 is faster but not by a huge margin, which means that if its priced accordingly, nVidia might have a competitive position, too expensive, and people will buy the cheaper and slighly slower part, just like the GTX 280 vs HD 4870.
 

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It's unimpressive, yet it is competitive with the single fastest GPU from ATI and it's cheaper.

Only in these benchmarks. Before, the 470 was 10% slower than ATI. Besides, ATI could release a faster card (5890) or have price drops (either back to msrp or even lower).
 

RussianSensation

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It's unimpressive, yet it is competitive with the single fastest GPU from ATI and it's cheaper.

Good performance for the GTX470 model. However, until we see market prices and wide availability, I would hold off on the cheaper statement. 58xx series have taught us that MSRP means nothing.
 

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Wow, according to those Nvidia-sourced benches, Fermi is significantly faster than Cypress. Once NDA lifts, if these numbers are true, I can't wait to see how Charlie tries to spin his way out of this.

On the other hand, if these numbers end up being false and Charlie's ~10% number is more accurate then I expect certain members here who have bashed Charlie over his Fermi articles to be just as appalled at Nvidia. Because this anti-Charlie crusade some seem to be on is fueled by a deep desire for the truth, no some bullshit fanboy garbage, I'm sure...

Before Cypress came out I think AMD released some slides showing 5870 like 15% faster than GTX285 SLI or something, and 5850 barking up the GTX295's tree... I think we all know how that turned out. You should know what manufacturer sourced benches are worth ;)
 

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Only in these benchmarks. Before, the 470 was 10% slower than ATI. Besides, ATI could release a faster card (5890) or have price drops (either back to msrp or even lower).

All you did was validate my statement with your first two sentences, and then state a bunch of what-if's and could-be's but no-one-knows-anything-yet's in the second sentence. And then nvidia will counter with the gtx485, and lower their product line too. And then AMD counters with their next gen architecture and then Nvidia counters with Fermi 2, and so on and so fourth.

Right now, as it is, the gtx470 looks to be 90-105% the performance of an hd5870, and will be $70 cheaper than the currently cheapest in stock option at new egg. From another perspective, it's 110-120% the performance of an hd5850 for $30 more. So COLOR ME IMPRESSED. It's late, big, hot, whatever - but that doesn't matter when it's released and people who are looking to upgrade now go to buy a card.

If you're not impressed, or at all interested, then simply put you do not like anything Nvidia. Which is your choice.
 

yh125d

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Well, those are nvidia supplied benchmarks, so they have to be taken with a bit of salt. However, the fact that they benched at multiple resolutions and settings settings is a good sign.

It is very doubtful that they benched with Cat 10.3 though, so you can expect them to lose 5-10% against HD 5870 right there. Batman and FC2 are pretty heavily skewing the results in favour of Fermi -- and surprisingly so is battleforge, which has always been an ATI game! Fermi is also beating ATI in Hawx(!) but 10.3 gave a massive increase in that game so they're probably pretty even.

The most disappointing part of these results are the Crysis numbers, which I remember being disappointed with the 5870's numbers as well when it launched. Perhaps Crysis just doesen't scale too well with better hardware???

ATI should be able to match the PR numbers quite closely with a mix of 10.3+ drivers, higher binned parts, and 2gb frame buffer. Coming out six months later with 50% more transistors it's obvious that ATI's engineers did a better job this round and that Nvidia has some catching up to do architecturally. At the very least this isn't another Geforce FX or R600 (although like the R600 the Fermi architecture might be able to taken to new heights in future iterations, time will tell!)

The dark horse here are the Nvidia drivers. The hardware might be six months late, but that doesn't mean team is also behind. In any case, Nvidia has always been good with putting out performance drivers, even later in a products lifetime. For ATI, Recent drivers have had big perf increases, but R8xx is still clock/clock and shader/shader slower than R7xx despite huge enhancements to interchip bandwidth, so there might be a lot of untapped potential still in there.

For consumers, this is good. Close performance should mean that both companies will be working hard on drivers, fighting each other with price cuts, putting out faster SKUs, and generally be working hard to get/keep the crown.

I think you're being a bit optimistic. 5-10% on a single driver release is highly unlikely unless it's fixing major bugs, which I don't think is the case (when driver patch notes say 'up to 30% more performance in Far Cry 2 with AA!' it's not really accurate)
 

dug777

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All you did was validate my statement with your first two sentences, and then state a bunch of what-if's and could-be's but no-one-knows-anything-yet's in the second sentence. And then nvidia will counter with the gtx485, and lower their product line too. And then AMD counters with their next gen architecture and then Nvidia counters with Fermi 2, and so on and so fourth.

Right now, as it is, the gtx470 looks to be 90-105% the performance of an hd5870, and will be $70 cheaper than the currently cheapest in stock option at new egg. From another perspective, it's 110-120% the performance of an hd5850 for $30 more. So COLOR ME IMPRESSED. It's late, big, hot, whatever - but that doesn't matter when it's released and people who are looking to upgrade now go to buy a card.

If you're not impressed, or at all interested, then simply put you do not like anything Nvidia. Which is your choice.

The man has a point.

Surely if it's not actually anywhere near as competitive across the board as shown in the particular leaked benchmarks, then that's remarkably relevant? Or that it's not available in volume at MSRP at launch? At this stage it's a bit early to be flying off the handle and suggesting people might only be posting that because they hate nvidia ;)

We don't know at this stage, but there's something incredibly ironic about stating categorically that 'it is competitive with the single fastest GPU from ATI and it's cheaper' at this stage, unless you are party to a NDA'd full suite of benchmarks and have a crystal ball that says supply will allow it to be sold at whatever MSRP we have been leaked ;)

If a full test from AT shows it's all that, and it is available at MRSP, that is great news for all, and there's absolutely no doubt about that :)
 

RussianSensation

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The man has a point.

Surely if it's not actually anywhere near as competitive across the board as shown in the particular leaked benchmarks? Or that it's not available in volume at MSRP at launch?

dug, stop withholding critical information man! We know you are like from the future and sh!t Give us your crystal ball. :awe:
 

dug777

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dug, stop withholding critical information man! We know you are like from the future and sh!t Give us your crystal ball. :awe:

I wish mate ;)

I can't wait for tomorrow and AT's review, then we should quickly get an indication of availability. Looks like my next card will be a 5870 (or its rumored speed-bumped relative if that appears soon) or GTX 480, I think I want flagship single GPU this time round as money is no longer so tight and I am losing patience with overclocking in my old and more affluent age ;)
 

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On the other hand, if these numbers end up being false and Charlie's ~10% number is more accurate then I expect certain members here who have bashed Charlie over his Fermi articles to be just as appalled at Nvidia. Because this anti-Charlie crusade some seem to be on is fueled by a deep desire for the truth, no some bullshit fanboy garbage, I'm sure...

I doubt that will happen. ^_^
 

tviceman

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The man has a point.

Surely if it's not actually anywhere near as competitive across the board as shown in the particular leaked benchmarks, then that's remarkably relevant? Or that it's not available in volume at MSRP at launch? At this stage it's a bit early to be flying off the handle and suggesting people might only be posting that because they hate nvidia ;)

We don't know at this stage, but there's something incredibly ironic about stating categorically that 'it is competitive with the single fastest GPU from ATI and it's cheaper' at this stage, unless you are party to a NDA'd full suite of benchmarks and have a crystal ball that says supply will allow it to be sold at whatever MSRP we have been leaked ;)

If a full test from AT shows it's all that, and it is available at MRSP, that is great news for all, and there's absolutely no doubt about that :)

My response to ugaboga232 showed he was stating hypotheticals and what if's based on speculation and I used the previously posted leaked benchmarks and pricing models to suggest the gtx470 was priced well and wasn't "unimpressive."

But you're right - until unbiased full reviews show what the situation is then all everyone is doing (including me) is speculating.
 
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FYI, only reason these higher temps are OK is because the voltage on GPUs is much lower than the stock voltage for CPUs.
Huh?

you can let your processor get that hot if you've undervolted it. For example, look at the thermal envelopes for the mobile parts.

If you have too much heat + too high voltage, the electrons have too much energy and the average energy level of the valence band gets pushed closer to the intrinsic Fermi level. If an electron gains enough energy to bump it above the intrinsic Fermi level, it moves all the way up to the conduction band and heads of onto another silicon atom.

When you're talking about silicon channels with only 3 and 4 dopant atoms in a channel that's 50-60 atoms wide, a single electron is a lot of energy and does things like flip bits from 0 to 1 and 1 to 0, and you get maybe 3 electrons that jump at once thanks to a short local spike in temperature for some random reason, then you fail Prime95. If you can control the temperature better (for example liquid nitrogen) then all the random thermal energy is removed and you can compensate with lots more voltage since your valence band is now so much lower.
 
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