GTX480 hits 87c and higher on load?

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jvroig

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Every few days Charlie writes something new that directly contradicts his last story. In the end you can cherry pick detail #1 from February 22, detail #2 from October 11, and detail #3 from January 1 and claim that Charlie predicted everything correctly, or you can note that 90% of his details were incorrect.
I know what to expect when reading tabloid-type news sites like SA, Fudzilla and BSN, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that, at least for Fermi issues. He's certainly not absolutely correct, but to say 90% of it was wrong (again, only for Fermi) is certainly not a fair shake. At least, as far as it seems to me, but it is a point I have no desire to debate, hence I will simply let it go and say that perhaps I am mistaken and you are right.

Perhaps you have been a far longer reader of Charlie than myself. I have only been acquainted with Charlie and SA through member Idontcare, who pointed the site to me in a thread perhaps 3 months ago only. If it is indeed the case that you have been reading Charlie for much much longer, that may explain the fact why you are a little more harsh with him than I am, since my exposure to him is far more limited.
 

jvroig

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Thanks. So, Furmark temps for the 5870 maxes out at 85C, while for the GTX480 it is 98C.

Maybe to some this >10C difference will matter. But for a high-end part, this is not unexpected, and as long as it is within the spec, I don't think it will mean the lifetime of the GTX480 cards will be much shorter.
 

Dribble

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The humble 8800GT was rated up to 115C (before it started to clock down). Passive ones were sold that got close to that temp (anandtech even reviewed one).

Obviously the 48x cards are gonna be hot drawing that much power, but temps don't seem outrageous.
 

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I would care if it were during gaming, but not Furmark.

edit - I guess he says it gets up in the 90's under Furmark
 
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yh125d

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87C gaming temps is nothing to worry about. Nvidia has a trend of running slightly hotter in order to keep their fan speeds lower for a quieter card anyway. I'm sure there's plenty of headroom for those of us who care about tmeps to bump the profile a bit

Though I'd prefer <85c for stock though, that gives a good bit of headroom for people fo don't cleain their case often/have bad airflow


Looks like these cards will respond quite well to WC
 

MrK6

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Yeah, 87C is nothing. Most modern cards from either camp are designed to run at 85-90C. The chips don't care and it keeps fan noise down. If you start overclocking, you'll probably want to go cooler to gain stability.
 

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Rezist

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That's a huge cooler.

For the most part Charlies been right since Fermi legit new's is almost always negative and Charlie always posts negative news.

Fudzilla said Fermi was going to be out in 09, then right after new years, then..... you get the picture. I also hadn't realized that charlie had called the 480 SP thing as well.

Looks like nVidia's got a leak somewhere.
 

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That's apparently from Nvidia's reviewers guide:
http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125009

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If those benchmarks hold out, the gtx470 ~ $350 is a pretty damn good deal. It's trading blows with the 5870 and at $350 is considerably cheaper.

ATI is owning the crysis warhead benchmark at playable resolutions, though.
 

RussianSensation

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Ya those benches, if true, slots between 5850 and 5870 but often beats a 5870. Also, based on these figures, it looks like GTX480 is faster by more than 10&#37; over 5870.

GTX480 over 5870
19x12 4AA/16AF - 21% faster than 5870
25x16 4AA/16AF - 22% faster than 5870

GTX470 is the real stand out since its $50 less than 5870 and more or less delivers similar performance. ATI may need to knock off $20 off 5870.

It's time to send 5850 to her designated $260 MSRP :)
 
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evolucion8

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Ya those benches, if true, slots between 5850 and 5870 but often beats a 5870. Also, based on these figures, it looks like GTX480 is faster by more than 10&#37; over 5870.

GTX480 over 5870
19x12 4AA/16AF - 21% faster than 5870
25x16 4AA/16AF - 22% faster than 5870

GTX470 is the real stand out since its $50 less than 5870 and more or less delivers similar performance. ATI may need to knock off $20 off 5870.

It's time to send 5850 to her designated $260 MSRP :)

The chart had a total of 34 results, but only the 27 results in which the HD 5870 and the GTX 470 had direct comparison results, the HD 5870 won 21 and lost 6 which isn't bad but the difference between both is very much and comes with their highs and lows depending of the gaming scenario.

From the 32 results in which the HD 5870 and the GTX 480 had direct comparison results, the HD 5870 won 3 results and lost 29 results, making the GTX 480 faster in overall in an average of 10%, sometimes higher.

If those results in that chart are true, means that we are back again with the GTX 2x0 vs HD 4x00 era in almost everything.

Update: The chart that came from XtremeSystems just underscored what I posted. GTX 2x0 vs HD 4x00 all over again.
 

RussianSensation

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Update: The chart that came from XtremeSystems just underscored what I posted. GTX 2x0 vs HD 4x00 all over again.

You are dead on! I would say that GTX 470 = GTX 260 216 and 5870 = 4870 (trading blows). But that GTX480 is 20&#37; faster than 5870 if you throw out Crysis and synthetic benches. That's GTX285 over 4870 right there.

...Except that:

1) ATI released their cards <1 month after GTX280/260, but NV is 6 months late
2) 4870 was $299 and 5870 is still $399 6 months after launch :hmm: ... 48xx series forced NV to lower prices $100-150. This wont happen now. Although one can argue those initial GTX280/60 launch prices were out to lunch to begin with.
3) ATI brought a sweet spot 4850 for $199 and NV still has nothing <$350.

So performance wise, I agree with your assessment; but in regard to a nice $200-250 card, there is still nothing this round.
 
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Rubycon

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How much does the card weigh?
Pretty soon brackets will be required to protect the cards from damage when the system is moved.
 

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I would add at least 5&#37; across the board for the gtx part when new drivers hit.
I would say the 5870's drivers already shot there load. :)
 

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Well, those are nvidia supplied benchmarks, so they have to be taken with a bit of salt. However, the fact that they benched at multiple resolutions and settings settings is a good sign.

It is very doubtful that they benched with Cat 10.3 though, so you can expect them to lose 5-10&#37; against HD 5870 right there. Batman and FC2 are pretty heavily skewing the results in favour of Fermi -- and surprisingly so is battleforge, which has always been an ATI game! Fermi is also beating ATI in Hawx(!) but 10.3 gave a massive increase in that game so they're probably pretty even.

The most disappointing part of these results are the Crysis numbers, which I remember being disappointed with the 5870's numbers as well when it launched. Perhaps Crysis just doesen't scale too well with better hardware???

ATI should be able to match the PR numbers quite closely with a mix of 10.3+ drivers, higher binned parts, and 2gb frame buffer. Coming out six months later with 50% more transistors it's obvious that ATI's engineers did a better job this round and that Nvidia has some catching up to do architecturally. At the very least this isn't another Geforce FX or R600 (although like the R600 the Fermi architecture might be able to taken to new heights in future iterations, time will tell!)

The dark horse here are the Nvidia drivers. The hardware might be six months late, but that doesn't mean team is also behind. In any case, Nvidia has always been good with putting out performance drivers, even later in a products lifetime. For ATI, Recent drivers have had big perf increases, but R8xx is still clock/clock and shader/shader slower than R7xx despite huge enhancements to interchip bandwidth, so there might be a lot of untapped potential still in there.

For consumers, this is good. Close performance should mean that both companies will be working hard on drivers, fighting each other with price cuts, putting out faster SKUs, and generally be working hard to get/keep the crown.
 
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Damn..nothing will run Crysis. 480 SLI goes from 30 to 41. Two more years from now there probably still won't be hardware that will get a 60 average. Crytek needs to learn how to code. Metro almost doubles performance with SLI. Stalker is around 50&#37;.
 

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Damn..nothing will run Crysis. 480 SLI goes from 30 to 41. Two more years from now there probably still won't be hardware that will get a 60 average. Crytek needs to learn how to code. Metro almost doubles performance with SLI. Stalker is around 50%.

If those numbers are accurate, it's probably just drivers. Brand new gen, less than stellar multi-GPU scaling using pre-release drivers not all that unexpected...
 

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If those benchmarks hold out, the gtx470 ~ $350 is a pretty damn good deal. It's trading blows with the 5870 and at $350 is considerably cheaper.

ATI is owning the crysis warhead benchmark at playable resolutions, though.

Really? Who the heck cares if it makes some game that runs at 50fps on the 5870 run at 55fps?

The only thing that matters is whether it brings some games up to playability. That means Crysis and Stalker CS. Really the differences come through for people running 30" monitors. For someone running at 1920x1200 there are no practical benefits.