Greatest disaster in US history

[Muse]

In 4 years we'll know for sure how the Trump Presidency played out. The way it has been developing so far seems to indicate possibly the most Tyrannical US President in history is what we'll have. What the result of that will be is unknown, but even if Congress keeps him in check it will cause much damage to the US Domestically and Abroad.

Well, those of us who are honest and objective will know, if they avail themselves of the facts. How many of us will that be? Hopefully, enough to make a big difference in where we go from there.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, I pride myself in my honesty, unlike you who can't answer some simple questions.

You think Bernie is a Conservative. It logically follows that since you labeled me a Conservatives since all of those think alike. Since I've stated a preference for Bernie over all others and I am a Conservative as you have pronounced then Bernie must be a right winger.

I've answered some questions in the past and since you can't follow simple logic I'm not inclined to play with you. You can't handle things outside your small space and I can't help you see.

Have fun yelling at all the inferiors and blaming the world because you can't make them see as you do.

How honest of you.

TTFNow

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, those of us who are honest and objective will know, if they avail themselves of the facts. How many of us will that be? Hopefully, enough to make a big difference in where we go from there.

You have shown yourself to be non-objective when you made the claim without any certainty of knowledge of today and that all that has happened in the past pales in significance compared this election. If you lived in many places in the Civil War you would pray that you could vote for Trump every day of your life if you could get out of that tiny disruption. Or how about we put you in the trenches of WWI and breathe a little mustard gas? Heck, what about the Pandemic where people died in such numbers unseen since the great plagues hundreds of years before?

I think you need to get out more.

 

[Muse]

For those that don't know, that means "indoctrinated".

When a leftie screams at you to "educate yourself", it means to adopt their way of thinking. Embrace the PC Cult. Love Big Brother.

Small wonder they consider this election to be "so, like, the worst thing ev-errrr?" (must be said with the phrase ending in an upwards tone for full effect.)
It's a pushback to their Great Narrative... a denial of the religion they're trying to sell the rest of the world. The bottles of "ISM" they're trying to sell.

Are you maybe somewhat partisan? SARCASM!

edjucated = indoctrinated

Yeah, right. Far right. Very far right. Very much a bunch of bullshit. Get thee to an institute of higher learning and humble thyself. That is likely your only hope.

 

[1prophet]

Because a lot of lazy shits didn't bother finding any emails and just took everyone's word that they said what they were told they said. Nobody cares about facts, just like you don't care about facts.

Since the deplorables weren't voting for Hillary anyway who were these "lazy shits" in your words that were swayed by these hacked emails?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-dncs-leaked-emails/?utm_term=.c8276dc66dc1

1) Targeting Sanders's religion?

On May 5, DNC officials appeared to conspire to raise Sanders's faith as an issue and press on whether he was an atheist -- apparently in hopes of steering religious voters in Kentucky and West Virginia to Clinton. Sanders is Jewish but has previously indicated that he's not religious.

One email from DNC chief financial officer Brad Marshall read: “It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist."

Marshall added in a later email: “It’s these Jesus thing.”

In response, CEO Amy Dacey said: "Amen."

2) Wasserman Schultz calls top Sanders aide a "damn liar"...

On May 17, after controversy erupted over the Nevada state Democratic convention and how fair the process was there, Wasserman Schultz herself took exception to Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver's defense of his candidate's supporters.

"Damn liar," she wrote. "Particularly scummy that he barely acknowledges the violent and threatening behavior that occurred."

3) ... and says Sanders has "no understanding" of the party

That wasn't the only time Wasserman Schultz offered an unvarnished opinion about the Sanders operation. And in one late-April email, she even questioned Sanders's connection to the party.

"Spoken like someone who has never been a member of the Democratic Party and has no understanding of what we do," she said in response to a Politico story about Sanders saying the party hadn't been fair to him.

Sanders, for what it's worth, wasn't a Democrat before entering the Democratic primary. He caucused with the party but has long been an independent.

In that way, Wasserman Schultz's comments could be read simply as her defending her party; Sanders was attacking the party, after all. But her comment also suggests a particularly dim view of Sanders that she didn't feel the need to obscure in conversations with other DNC staff.

4) A Clinton lawyer gives DNC strategy advice on Sanders

When the Sanders campaign alleged that the Clinton campaign was improperly using its joint fundraising committee with the DNC to benefit itself, Clinton campaign lawyer Marc Elias offered the DNC guidance on how to respond.

"My suggestion is that the DNC put out a statement saying that the accusations the Sanders campaign are not true," Elias said May 3 in response to an email about the issue sent by communications director Luis Miranda to other DNC stuff that copied Elias and another lawyer at his firm, Perkins Coie.

Elias continued: "The fact that CNN notes that you aren’t getting between the two campaigns is the problem. Here, Sanders is attacking the DNC and its current practice, its past practice with the POTUS and with Sec Kerry. Just as the RNC pushes back directly on Trump over 'rigged system', the DNC should push back DIRECTLY at Sanders and say that what he is saying is false and harmful the the Democratic party."

Elias's guidance isn't perhaps all that shocking; he's Clinton's lawyer, after all. But the fact that he was talking to the DNC about how to respond would appear to suggest coordination between the DNC and Clinton campaign against Sanders in this particular case.

[Clinton says there’s a ‘Hillary standard’ and a different standard for everyone else. Bad idea.]

5) Plotting a narrative about how Sanders's campaign failed

On May 21, DNC national press secretary Mark Pautenbach suggested pushing a narrative that Sanders "never ever had his act together, that his campaign was a mess."

After detailing several arguments that could be made to push that narrative, Paustenbach concludes: "It's not a DNC conspiracy, it's because they never had their act together."

Paustenbach's suggestion, in that way, could be read as a defense of the committee rather than pushing negative information about Sanders. But this is still the committee pushing negative information about one of its candidates.

6) Mocking Sanders for his California debate push

One of the chief complaints from Sanders and his supporters was a lack of debates. They said the fact that there were so few was intended to help Clinton by reducing her opponents' exposure and their chances to knock her down.

After the Sanders campaign presumptuously declared that an agreement for an additional debate in California had been reached, Miranda responded to the Sanders campaign's release on May 18 simply:

"lol"

As noted, the release from the Sanders campaign was presumptuous in declaring that an agreement had been reached. Miranda could simply have been responding to the somewhat-silly tactic. But the debate never actually happened, as the Clinton campaign later opted not to participate.

7) Wishing Sanders would just end it

Many of these emails came as it was clear Clinton was going to win -- which makes the apparent favoritism perhaps less offensive (though Sanders supporters would certainly disagree).

But it's also clear that there was plenty of cheerleading for the race to simply be over -- for Sanders to throw in the towel so that Clinton could be named the presumptive nominee. The party, of course, was still supposed to be neutral even though the odds and delegate deficit for Sanders looked insurmountable.

On May 1, in response to Sanders again saying he would push for a contested convention, Wasserman Schultz said, "So much for a traditional presumptive nominee."

8) Calling an alleged Sanders sympathizer a "Bernie bro"

The term "Bernie bro" -- or "Berniebro," depending on your style -- over the course of the campaign became a kind of shorthand for the worst kind of Sanders supporter. These were the supporters who couldn't be reasoned with and verbally assaulted opponents, sometimes in very nasty ways.

Some in the DNC apparently used the pejorative to refer to one particular radio host seen as overly sympathetic to Sanders, Sirius XM's Mark Thompson.

"Wait, this is a s––– topic," Miranda wrote on May 4 after Thompson's program director, David Guggenheim, requested an interview on a Clinton fundraising controversy. "Where is Guggenheim? Is he a Bernie Bro?"

"Must be a Bernie Bro," DNC broadcast booker Pablo Manriquez responds. "Per Mark’s sage, I turned him down flat (and politely) and inquired into opportunities next week to talk about something else.

9) Criticizing Obama for lack of fundraising help -- "That's f---ing stupid"

While the Sanders emails have gained the most attention, some of the more interesting emails involve a peek behind to curtain of how party officials talk about fundraising and major donors -- and even President Obama.

In one email on May 9, DNC mid-Atlantic and PAC finance director Alexandra Shapiro noted that Obama wouldn't travel 20 minutes to help the party secure $350,000 in donations.

"He really won’t go up 20 minutes for $350k?" Shapiro wrote. "THAT’S f---ing stupid."

DNC national finance director Jordan Kaplan responded: "or he is the president of the united states with a pretty big day job."

10) Flippant chatter about donors

In a May 16 exchange about where to seat a top Florida donor, Kaplan declared that "he doesn’t sit next to POTUS!" -- referring to Obama

Some in the DNC apparently used the pejorative to refer to one particular radio host seen as overly sympathetic to Sanders, Sirius XM's Mark Thompson.

"Wait, this is a s––– topic," Miranda wrote on May 4 after Thompson's program director, David Guggenheim, requested an interview on a Clinton fundraising controversy. "Where is Guggenheim? Is he a Bernie Bro?"

"Must be a Bernie Bro," DNC broadcast booker Pablo Manriquez responds. "Per Mark’s sage, I turned him down flat (and politely) and inquired into opportunities next week to talk about something else.

9) Criticizing Obama for lack of fundraising help -- "That's f---ing stupid"

While the Sanders emails have gained the most attention, some of the more interesting emails involve a peek behind to curtain of how party officials talk about fundraising and major donors -- and even President Obama.

In one email on May 9, DNC mid-Atlantic and PAC finance director Alexandra Shapiro noted that Obama wouldn't travel 20 minutes to help the party secure $350,000 in donations.

"He really won’t go up 20 minutes for $350k?" Shapiro wrote. "THAT’S f---ing stupid."

DNC national finance director Jordan Kaplan responded: "or he is the president of the united states with a pretty big day job."

10) Flippant chatter about donors

In a May 16 exchange about where to seat a top Florida donor, Kaplan declared that "he doesn’t sit next to POTUS!" -- referring to Obama
Some in the DNC apparently used the pejorative to refer to one particular radio host seen as overly sympathetic to Sanders, Sirius XM's Mark Thompson.

"Wait, this is a s––– topic," Miranda wrote on May 4 after Thompson's program director, David Guggenheim, requested an interview on a Clinton fundraising controversy. "Where is Guggenheim? Is he a Bernie Bro?"

"Must be a Bernie Bro," DNC broadcast booker Pablo Manriquez responds. "Per Mark’s sage, I turned him down flat (and politely) and inquired into opportunities next week to talk about something else.

9) Criticizing Obama for lack of fundraising help -- "That's f---ing stupid"

While the Sanders emails have gained the most attention, some of the more interesting emails involve a peek behind to curtain of how party officials talk about fundraising and major donors -- and even President Obama.

In one email on May 9, DNC mid-Atlantic and PAC finance director Alexandra Shapiro noted that Obama wouldn't travel 20 minutes to help the party secure $350,000 in donations.

"He really won’t go up 20 minutes for $350k?" Shapiro wrote. "THAT’S f---ing stupid."

DNC national finance director Jordan Kaplan responded: "or he is the president of the united states with a pretty big day job."

10) Flippant chatter about donors

In a May 16 exchange about where to seat a top Florida donor, Kaplan declared that "he doesn’t sit next to POTUS!" -- referring to Obama


“Bittel will be sitting in the sh---iest corner I can find,” responded Shapiro. She also referred to other donors as "clowns."

Here are some other things Kaplan and Shapiro said about donors, via Karen Tumulty and Tom Hamburger:

Kaplan directed Shapiro to put New York philanthropist Philip Munger in the prime spot, switching out Maryland ophthalmologist Sreedhar Potarazu. He noted that Munger was one of the largest donors to Organizing for America, a nonprofit that advocates for Obama’s policies. “It would be nice to take care of him from the DNC side,” Kaplan wrote.

Shapiro pushed back, noting that Munger had given only $100,600 to the party, while the Potarazu family had contributed $332,250.

In one email attachment from Erik Stowe, the finance director for Northern California, to Tammy Paster, a fundraising consultant, he lists the benefits given to different tiers of donors to the Democratic National Convention, which starts next week in Philadelphia. The tiers range from a direct donation of $66,800 to one of $467,600 to the DNC. The documents also show party officials discussing how to reward people who bundle between $250,000 to $1.25 million.

 

[Muse]

You have shown yourself to be non-objective when you made the claim without any certainty of knowledge of today and that all that has happened in the past pales in significance compared this election. If you lived in many places in the Civil War you would pray that you could vote for Trump every day of your life if you could get out of that tiny disruption. Or how about we put you in the trenches of WWI and breathe a little mustard gas? Heck, what about the Pandemic where people died in such numbers unseen since the great plagues hundreds of years before?

I think you need to get out more.

My sense of current calamity is a perception not that awful things have not happened in the past but that American's indifference to a sense of truth, that facts trump propaganda is an unprecedented development. I'm not for dissecting past events to determine a barometer of horror. In my many years I've never had such a sense that Americans are indifferent to facts. It does not bode well.

 

[FIVR]

I blame the children.


If more 11 year olds contributed to society instead of wasting their time in cub scouts or after school activities, we'd have much higher economic output and thus we'd all be smarter.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My sense of current calamity is a perception not that awful things have not happened in the past but that American's indifference to a sense of truth, that facts trump propaganda is an unprecedented development. I'm not for dissecting past events to determine a barometer of horror. In my many years I've never had such a sense that Americans are indifferent to facts. It does not bode well.

Then perhaps you ought to not bring up past events at all. As far as American's perceptions of truth I suggest you read the LA times reports about the Japanese in this country in WWII and how treacherous they all are. Then McCarthyism. Vietnam and Iraq, believing whatever the Red, White and Blue demanded.

This is merely the newest apparation and guess what? People won't learn. They will not go outside of their ideological shell and will make everyone not-self into the Japanese. Less than human scum to be controlled by the "right" people.

There is nothing new really.

 

[Muse]

I blame the children.

I really really feel embarrassed for the children. They should never be exposed to what's going on in this country now and very probably for a few years to come. It sets a terrible example. If it is not the welfare of the children we are concerned about we have lost our humanity.

Then perhaps you ought to not bring up past events at all. As far as American's perceptions of truth I suggest you read the LA times reports about the Japanese in this country in WWII and how treacherous they all are. Then McCarthyism. Vietnam and Iraq, believing whatever the Red, White and Blue demanded.

This is merely the newest apparation and guess what? People won't learn. They will not go outside of their ideological shell and will make everyone not-self into the Japanese. Less than human scum to be controlled by the "right" people.

There is nothing new really.

That paints a very bleak picture of America. Is it that hopeless?

 

[FIVR]

I really really feel embarrassed for the children. They should never be exposed to what's going on in this country now and very probably for a few years to come. It sets a terrible example. If it is not the welfare of the children we are concerned about we have lost our humanity.
That paints a very bleak picture of America. Is it that hopeless?

Yes, I agree. If they were working harder, they would pay less attention to the impending climactic disaster we've created for them. Or that our parents and grandparents created for us all. The extra economic revenue would be beneficial too.


We're all screwed. Get ready to ride this failboat called America to the bottom of the sea, possibly taking earth itself with it. It's gonna be a wacky, wild ride.

 

[sandorski]

Since the deplorables weren't voting for Hillary anyway who were these "lazy shits" in your words that were swayed by these hacked emails?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-dncs-leaked-emails/?utm_term=.c8276dc66dc1

..ok, and? Not to be flippant, but Strategies and Opinions are part of every Campaign. A lot of people may disagree with those various points, but none of them are "wrong" or illegal.

 

[FIVR]

I once worked at a terrible company, where I was by far the most efficient worker... but where every decision was delegated to a seated cadre of medically verified imbeciles. They would doodle on walls, and scream and blather amongst themselves in days of conflict and finally would make the wrong decision every single F-ing time. Every time. I eventually left that company... but somehow America now seems to be a much larger version of that company.

 

[Zaap]

Gee, where's the ususal loons with their images of fainting couches, clutched pearls and safe spaces in this thread?

Oh that's right....they too are whiney little bitches who agree with this pathetic display of whiney bitchiness.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I really really feel embarrassed for the children. They should never be exposed to what's going on in this country now and very probably for a few years to come. It sets a terrible example. If it is not the welfare of the children we are concerned about we have lost our humanity.
That paints a very bleak picture of America. Is it that hopeless?

Whether things are hopeless is entirely determined by people taking their own to task. The Republicans have to examine a system that allowed Trump to play parasite to the Rep machine. They need to be inclusive and not look at others as inferior.

The Dems have virtully the same task except one of their weaknesses is assuming that everyone who does not pick their choice is stupid or shills. They too need to be inclusive and stop trotting out people to play games such as identy politics.

We have good and bad people based on their actions, We have people who have real concerns, black and white. That only one matters is antithetical to our rights as a whole. We all matter but we act like that's not the case.

Learn this lesson and understand why there is no unity and then we have a start towards a better society. If not then we stay on this road.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Greatest disaster in US history?

I didn't know Hillary won!

 

[boomerang]

The snowflake syndrome is reaching epic proportions.

 

[FelixDeCat]

The snowflake syndrome is reaching epic proportions.

Things not taught in schools anymore -

1) Morality
2) Financial responsibility
3) Manners and class
4) The consequences of ignoring any of the above

 

[shady28]

The snowflake syndrome is reaching epic proportions.

I know right, I initially thought this thread was about Pearl Harbor. Silly me.

 

[Kazukian]

I'm not a historian, but I'm educated.

IMO, the recent POTUS election cycle was a bigger disaster for the USA than:

The Civil War
The Great Depression
Both World Wars
The assasinations of JFK, RFK, MLK II
The dotcom bust
9/11
The failed wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq
The housing bust/Great Recession

IMO, we are in deep doo doo. People don't care what the truth is. Certainly, the president doesn't, that's totally obvious to any honest person.

Muse, I actually feel sorry for you, if you really feel this way, you need some therapy and maybe an antidepressant or an anxiolytic.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I once worked at a terrible company, where I was by far the most efficient worker... but where every decision was delegated to a seated cadre of medically verified imbeciles. They would doodle on walls, and scream and blather amongst themselves in days of conflict and finally would make the wrong decision every single F-ing time. Every time. I eventually left that company... but somehow America now seems to be a much larger version of that company.

Is your former company profitable?

 

[flexy]

It's a disaster SIMPLY because it's the poor and middle class having problems in America today (the biggest portion of society)...and Trump, ACCORDING TO ALL COMMON SENSE, is not the guy who will fix things for exactly those people. He will do exactly the opposite. Just fricking LOOK at his choices. White, ultra-rich billionaire moguls.

People in the US so fricking retarded they think that old, white-haired ultra-rich "moguls" care for the disadvantaged? Oh hell they ARE that retarded because this is indeed what they voted for, as absurd as it is.

But have fun watching this ship-wreck going down, and the white-haired multi-billionaires doing things which "somehow", "in some mysterious ways" would benefit the working class and the poor. Maybe we should ask Joe in Alabama or or Jack from KY why they voted Trump and what their logic is that they think that the elite of the elite would give a shit about THEIR problems. I bet you that Joe or Jack wouldn't be able to give you one single coherent response, except of course echoing the idiotic rhetoric that was told to them. ("Hey make America great again", "wave flags", "bring back coal mining" and other idiocy which cannot be further from reality, nothing but empty phrases and rhetoric).

TLDR: Those who voted for T, especially those most suffering today can prepare for the biggest fuck-over in history.

There was only one person in this election cycle who actually acknowledged the *actual* problems the US has today and who had reasonable solutions, and this was Sanders. And I mean it. Not because I am a "socialist" (like "socialist" is a bad word today....) but a socialist is exactly what would be required when the poor and middle-class is struggling, NOT the exact opposite.

 

[Lash444]

Things not taught in schools anymore -

1) Morality
2) Financial responsibility
3) Manners and class
4) The consequences of ignoring any of the above

Yawn.

1.) Morality? Millenials overtook baby boomers in sheer numbers. There is less crime and less teen pregnancies since 1990.
2) See teen pregnancy above. What are they not financially responsible over? There are lots of jobs right now that used to pay very well, that they went to school for, that just aren't available anymore or the pay that was reduced. Automation killed a lot of great jobs.
3.) Manners and class - yawn

Same thing every single time. The new generation is always the worst. Always the next coming of the apocalypse. Millennials are generally much more concerned about the well-being of their fellow man. Much more likely to care about the environment and the fact that we have to live on this planet. What, you think they are a bunch of sex crazed promiscuous deviants? And that is something new? They don't have the luxury that you probably did to walk into a job without a degree, or to graduate college without a lifetime of crippling debt.

So you shouldn't talk shit, because out of all the generations still alive today, they are shouldering the most burden lumped on to them by the people now looking down on them. Living day to day trying to make ends meet. Probably never goign to be able to afford a house.

I mean, you might think that millenials all don't want children because they don't want the responsibility. And you are right. They don't want the financial responsibility. Who can afford that crap? The old timers keep voting to keep their pensions, their medicare, their social security...and electing individuals who cut those benefits for the next generation. They ARE the generation taking responsibility for all the shit that your generation bestowed upon themselves but can't or didn't pay for.

 

[bshole]

Things not taught in schools anymore -

1) Morality
2) Financial responsibility
3) Manners and class
4) The consequences of ignoring any of the above

Morality? Is that code for "Christian Morality" which teaches abstinence and forbids birth control information, that gays are an evil and bad, etc....

If you want your kids taught morality, TEACH THEM. If you want the state to force your morality on the children of other people, I disagree with you.

 

[Muse]

I'd be astonished if Trump precipitates a 2nd Civil War or unemployment, deflation, and drought like what we experienced during the Great Depression. There will certainly be a number of constitutional crisis unlike what has been seen since the 1860s, but keep me updated once war breaks out in my neighborhood.

Until then, I'll just categorize this as raging hyperbole.

Perhaps the OP is indeed hyperbole. I'll explain. That entire post basically was a reverie. It came to mind with no intention to create a thread. I liked the idea and realized that if I didn't do something with it (i.e. create a thread), I'd just forget it and I didn't want to do that. So, I wrote the OP. Is it an absurd idea? Maybe. However, TBH it seems to me that this election cycle was a disaster, a huge disaster and that America has disgraced itself. Most mistakes can be overcome relatively easily. This one looks like one huge obstacle. It keeps getting worse as Trump assembles his cabinet. The metaphor that comes to mind is a 1/2 mile wide asteroid on a collision course with earth. Is that a disaster? You bet it is.

 

[Sunburn74]

Things not taught in schools anymore -

1) Morality
2) Financial responsibility
3) Manners and class
4) The consequences of ignoring any of the above

I was never taught any of these in school. My parents and friends taught me. Why in hell would you want schools teaching this? Do you want schools teaching your kids I dunno.. Saudi Arabian ethics? Really that's what you want? Someone teaching your kids systems of ethics you don't accept?