Greatest disaster in US history

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BonzaiDuck

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I had a thought this morning that to me -- subjectively -- we are in the middle of a brewing crisis. I think I could see some paths that might unfold, but I don't "know" that it's this one or that one. This one looks juiciest for correcting a political mistake. Anything else will still impose a required obstruction to a new administration.

Either way, the history leading up to this -- going back before the 2010 midterm -- shows a pattern of sick communication, appeal to mob thinking, a deception of mass-psychology. What we're seeing is a feverish effort to deflect it at the moment, with serious calls for disclosure and investigation. Now we have Mitch McConnell trying to save the GOP's honor by taking a stand opposite Trump's dismissal of the Russian hacks or their implications.

I would say this will unfold to be as serious as Watergate or more so. It could actually become a case where those of us who simply wished for it were not the ones who caused it, and the cause only confirms in the most final way that the sorcerer of the Apprentice has self-destructive tendencies. The only group that rivals in that are the supporters with desperate dissatisfactions Trump would never know, who figure that anything would be better than Clinton without thought if they could jump from the frying pan into the fire.

For instance, I could tell you about a homeowner's association who discovered a small embezzlement by their management company. The association bolted and went to another company, later exposed in the local metro newspaper to be guilty of a million in embezzlement theft.
 

Chaotic42

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Our current political system is a symptom of a larger underlying problem - as a nation we don't have the ability to reason and a wave of anti-intellectualism and anti-education has swept the nation. Without an existential threat around, requiring that we produce the best and the brightest to ensure our survival, we've degenerated to more and more tribalism. Facts and logic don't matter anymore. Now we're more concerned about not having our feelings hurt (this goes for both "sides"). Everyone wants to make sure they get what they feel they're owed and if they can't, then they're going to try and make sure no one else can either.

It's chaos and we're in a lot of trouble because it may be too late to try and soften this nadir in the cycle of humanity.
 

PokerGuy

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Still waiting for one of you gullible pricks to source even a single email that shows what Hillary or the DNC did wrong.

Well, since none of the emails showed either the DNC or illary engaging in anything bad, why would their release be an issue at all? Did the russians meddle in our election by releasing hacked emails or was there nothing to be seen in the emails?
 

qliveur

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I have to assume this is a sarcastic post?
God, I hope so. This election has succeeded in bringing out the worst in the membership here. :(

Hey, Muse, you might as well add a global-level extinction event to that list, you loon.

Can't you emo fruitcakes just quietly slit your wrists, or something?
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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Our current political system is a symptom of a larger underlying problem - as a nation we don't have the ability to reason and a wave of anti-intellectualism and anti-education has swept the nation. Without an existential threat around, requiring that we produce the best and the brightest to ensure our survival, we've degenerated to more and more tribalism. Facts and logic don't matter anymore. Now we're more concerned about not having our feelings hurt (this goes for both "sides"). Everyone wants to make sure they get what they feel they're owed and if they can't, then they're going to try and make sure no one else can either.

It's chaos and we're in a lot of trouble because it may be too late to try and soften this nadir in the cycle of humanity.
Well, I could only add to your anthropology there that the internet and other technologies have changed human behavior, or increased the impact of various mass-psychologies. That's all I could say at this point.

So I will pin the Medal of Enlightenment on your lapel for December 12, 2016. Take a gold star on the forehead. You earned it.
 

Kazukian

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God, I hope so. This election has succeeded in bringing out the worst in the membership here. :(

Hey, Muse, you might as well add a global-level extinction event to that list, you loon.

Can't you emo fruitcakes just quietly slit your wrists, or something?

'But, but global level extinction isn't US specific..."

"Just leave me alone man...."


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dank69

Lifer
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Well, since none of the emails showed either the DNC or illary engaging in anything bad, why would their release be an issue at all? Did the russians meddle in our election by releasing hacked emails or was there nothing to be seen in the emails?
What's that you say? You can't find even one email? I'm shocked.
 

PokerGuy

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What's that you say? You can't find even one email? I'm shocked.

I didn't bother finding any emails --- you're saying there was nothing damaging in the emails. Lets assume you're right. How was releasing them a problem then?
 

qliveur

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Still waiting for one of you gullible pricks to source even a single email that shows what Hillary or the DNC did wrong.
Speaking of gullible, didn't you butthurtedly post a bunch of "hate crimes" by Trump supporters that all turned out to be hoaxes over at the other place the morning after the election? Didn't your side then proceed to commit very real crimes because it didn't get its way?

You have no credibility.
 

Zaap

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I'm not a historian, but I'm educated.
I love this- starts thread decrying selective truth...


... with a list of pure ignorance demonstrating total selective 'truth'. ("Things are worse today than this whole list of subjects I clearly have NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER OF!!"


Great for a laugh though!
 
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Kazukian

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I love this- starts thread decrying selective truth...


... with a list of pure ignorance demonstrating total selective 'truth'. ("Things are worse today than this whole list of subjects I clearly have NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER OF!!"


Great for a laugh though!

This shit is our fault for going along with the special snowflake/you participated bullshit.

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Zaap

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This shit is our fault for going along with the special snowflake/you participated bullshit.

iu

I never went along with it. Many of us have been pointing out the problem with self-centered, special snowflakes that have no perspective on anything/anyone else for a long time. Granted, I've mostly only laughed at them, but what else can you do?

Educated? No, I believe "indoctrinated" is the word you're looking for.
Unfortunately, today, that actually passes for 'educated' in some circles.
 
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dphantom

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What's that you say? You can't find even one email? I'm shocked.
Why would anyone bother when you are making contradictory claims? First you say the election was skewed because the Russians hacked DNC emails. Then you say there was nothing in the emails. So if there was nothing in the emails, how could the election have been skewed by harmless emails?

Clarity in thinking goes a long way in communicating with others.
 

dank69

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I didn't bother finding any emails --- you're saying there was nothing damaging in the emails. Lets assume you're right. How was releasing them a problem then?
Because a lot of lazy shits didn't bother finding any emails and just took everyone's word that they said what they were told they said. Nobody cares about facts, just like you don't care about facts.
 

OutHouse

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Still waiting for one of you gullible pricks to source even a single email that shows what Hillary or the DNC did wrong.

are you saying she didnt do anything wrong at all? WTF? you live under a rock? why do you deny the truth?
 
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dank69

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Speaking of gullible, didn't you butthurtedly post a bunch of "hate crimes" by Trump supporters that all turned out to be hoaxes over at the other place the morning after the election? Didn't your side then proceed to commit very real crimes because it didn't get its way?
This shows just how warped your sense of reality is. The "very real crimes" you are referring to happened first in the timeline, not after. Of course "very real crimes (plural)" translates to one single incident of assault. Then, it turned out that one of the cases I posted turned out to be fake which then immediately became "ALL turned out to be hoaxes" in the other place's warped reality. Meanwhile, tons and tons more cases pour in every day since then, but you can safely pretend they are all fake.

You have no credibility.
Again, just showing how stupid you are. Nobody has any credibility. That's why we ask for sources. PokerGuy believes there were incriminating things in the emails but can't produce any actual evidence. How sad is that? Must be awful going through life as gullible as you guys are. Or maybe as they say: ignorance is bliss.
 

dank69

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are you saying she didnt do anything wrong at all? WTF? you live under a rock? why do you deny the truth?
Go ahead and post up an email, champ. I know you don't want to believe you were lied to, but hey, nobody has produced one yet so all evidence points to your gullibility I'm afraid.
 

Kazukian

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Muse, can I have you explain to the families of well over a million dead US soldiers how this election was worse?
 

dank69

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Muse, can I have you explain to the families of well over a million dead US soldiers how this election was worse?
We'll just have to "wait and see" now won't we? I have super high hopes for a CEO of Exxon with major ties to deals in Russia getting all our highly classified intelligence as SOS.
 

trenchfoot

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I see what's going on here. If this is any indication of what's going on pan-America, then I can see where Trump's election, in and of itself is a symptom, a physical manifestation of very nearly, if not the greatest disaster in US history FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE POOR of America but a huge boon for the very wealthy.

This occurrence is not a partisan one, although it was fought on a partisan field of battle where the very wealthy have thoroughly fixed the game in their favor. This is pure class warfare. This is another win for the trickle down theorists who see that a plutocratic/autocratic form of government is the highest form of capitalism and must be pursued by all means possible.

I find it unconscionable that any person who thinks that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is found through surrendering those ideals over to and in possession of a small and very powerful group of plutocrats. This is insanity defined.

Yet, this is precisely what happened when Trump conned and scammed his way into office.